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How and Why the Z-film was altered - David Josephs - 15-11-2012
If we are to believe that Zapruder was part of the plan to create a false representation of the assassination...
Doesn't there need to be evidence of some sort of PLAN...
Is there evidence of ANYONE climbing onto that pedastal and filming "nothing" in the days/weeks prior to 11/22?
I understand the arrogance of the facilitators being immune to capture... but there needed to be some PLAN related to all the OTHER FILMS/IMAGES matching the Z alteration.
Can we prove that the film was shown at 48fps at Kodak? and filmed at 48fps?
If not... what are the options?
1) composite
2) replacement film
3) aeriel alterations and refilming to create final 6 feet plus of assassination footage
Why is removing the turn onto Elm so important and how do we remove the wide turn from Towner?
Lots of discussion topics....
Hope to hear from a few of you
DJ
How and Why the Z-film was altered - LR Trotter - 15-11-2012
David Josephs Wrote:If we are to believe that Zapruder was part of the plan to create a false representation of the assassination...
Doesn't there need to be evidence of some sort of PLAN...
Is there evidence of ANYONE climbing onto that pedastal and filming "nothing" in the days/weeks prior to 11/22?
I understand the arrogance of the facilitators being immune to capture... but there needed to be some PLAN related to all the OTHER FILMS/IMAGES matching the Z alteration.
Can we prove that the film was shown at 48fps at Kodak? and filmed at 48fps?
If not... what are the options?
1) composite
2) replacement film
3) aeriel alterations and refilming to create final 6 feet plus of assassination footage
Why is removing the turn onto Elm so important and how do we remove the wide turn from Towner?
Lots of discussion topics....
Hope to hear from a few of you
DJ
I do not believe AZ was part of an assassination conspiracy. I do, however, believe it is quite possible that he had heard a "rumor of a possible incident" in Dealey Plaza during the motorcade that involved JFK. I mean, what else explains the multitude of photos and films of the actual event. I witnessed a JFK motorcade in September, '62 and was about 25' from the JFK limo as it passed, but I do not recall seeing any cameras and I have never seen a picture of the motorcade at the location I was at. But, I do recall the small airplane overhead pulling a banner that read, "Enforce the Monroe Doctrine". This was a few weeks before the "October Cuban Missle Crisis". As far as rumors, although I cannot explain the "atmosphere of the time", there seemed to be "something up". Like you Mr Josephs, I would appreciate some additional comments as well.
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How and Why the Z-film was altered - Peter Lemkin - 15-11-2012
Old Mr. Z knew Harold Byrd, owner of the TSBD, and man with foreknowledge of the assassination......it seems they were even members of some organizations together - and these organizations were likely CIA affiliated. Whether AZ knew there would be a hit that day, I don't know..likely not....perhaps someone just suggested that he film such a historic event...perhaps even suggesting a convenient location with a good view.
How and Why the Z-film was altered - David Josephs - 15-11-2012
LR Trotter Wrote:David Josephs Wrote:If we are to believe that Zapruder was part of the plan to create a false representation of the assassination...
Doesn't there need to be evidence of some sort of PLAN...
Is there evidence of ANYONE climbing onto that pedastal and filming "nothing" in the days/weeks prior to 11/22?
I understand the arrogance of the facilitators being immune to capture... but there needed to be some PLAN related to all the OTHER FILMS/IMAGES matching the Z alteration.
Can we prove that the film was shown at 48fps at Kodak? and filmed at 48fps?
If not... what are the options?
1) composite
2) replacement film
3) aeriel alterations and refilming to create final 6 feet plus of assassination footage
Why is removing the turn onto Elm so important and how do we remove the wide turn from Towner?
Lots of discussion topics....
Hope to hear from a few of you
DJ
I do not believe AZ was part of an assassination conspiracy. I do, however, believe it is quite possible that he had heard a "rumor of a possible incident" in Dealey Plaza during the motorcade that involved JFK. I mean, what else explains the multitude of photos and films of the actual event. I witnessed a JFK motorcade in September, '62 and was about 25' from the JFK limo as it passed, but I do not recall seeing any cameras and I have never seen a picture of the motorcade at the location I was at. But, I do recall the small airplane overhead pulling a banner that read, "Enforce the Monroe Doctrine". This was a few weeks before the "October Cuban Missle Crisis". As far as rumors, although I cannot explain the "atmosphere of the time", there seemed to be "something up". Like you Mr Josephs, I would appreciate some additional comments as well.
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Interesting LR...
Yet when we actually get to it... how many films of the actual assassination are there? Nix, Muchmore, Zapruder
How many films did it appear were taken? Arnold, Babushka, Canadian man (sorry forgot his name said he saw/filmed the entire thing), and a handful of others who obviously have cameras yet have not been seen or did not contain assassination footage.
But there did seem to be an awful lot of "photographers" in DP maybe due to the awareness of the limo HAVING to slow down for these two turns
and it being a great opportunity to get a close, good photo/film
This might be of some help... location of the photographers in and around DP...
DJ
How and Why the Z-film was altered - LR Trotter - 15-11-2012
Mr Joseph makes an interesting comment about the slow turns in Dealey Plaza, which were not neccessary IMO. When looking at the map of the motorcade trip, it is apparent that DP was not "on the way" to the Trade Mart from Love Field without "on purpose" routing. With so much time spent getting to DP, why then a "need to rush" from there to the TM? If time was a consideration, in reality the "DP slowdown" probably took almost as much extra time as a Main St straight ahead alternate route, that although prevented entrance to the Stemmons Freeway, was an otherwise direct trip for the short distance from DP to the TM.
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How and Why the Z-film was altered - Vasilios Vazakas - 16-11-2012
David said:
I, personally, am still dealing with the windshield hole... with as many people saying they saw a hole, with the statements from the Ford plant worker who helped create copies and DESTROY the original...
I lean toward there being a hole
From where & when do you suppose this hole was created?
If we are lining up throat, windshield and shooter... it SHOULD be easy to tell if a frontal shot is even possible...
Except in most cases the shooter would have to be on the overpass over the MAIN STREET section....
I noticed this "thing" on the overpass in Dillard... yet it is not there in Cancellare's photo...
Neither of the SS men - including Roy "Flurry of shots" Kellerman says anything about a bullet passing between them and thru the windshield.
David, do not concentrate on Jack White's view that the throat wound was possibly caused by a fragment of glass. Concentrate on his statement that it was impossible for a shot from the front to have caused the throat wound because it would have penetrated the tie, something that clearly did not happen.
How and Why the Z-film was altered - Phil Dragoo - 16-11-2012
Vasilis
Doug Weldon saw the throat shot coming from the south overpass.
In Inside the ARRB Custer tells counsel Gunn and member Horne an x-ray he took of C-3/4 showing metal fragments is missing from the extant set.
The tie was nicked by nurses, the knot was not shot.
Why not a sniper on wheels in the lot on the south--recall that the Beltway Snipers using a Chevy trunk hide baffled investigators for not one but many ambushes.
The Ford glass exec is credible in his posthumously released statement. Certainly a number of witnesses saw a hole.
And consider Malcolm Perry. A wound of entry. Oh my--now comes Elmer Moore the all-night phone stalker. Specter and Dulles the tag team interogators.
Recant! Put him on the rack! Recant, heretic!
So, they protest too much.
Rifleman on the south through the windshield and the windpipe.
So, if somebody says he heard the prez' I Am Hit he is full of it.
The line from the Dal-Tex goes through the limo to the south.
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How and Why the Z-film was altered - Phil Dragoo - 16-11-2012
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How and Why the Z-film was altered - Vasilios Vazakas - 16-11-2012
Hi Phil
I understand what do you mean about the windshield. I don't question a shot from the front through the windshield. It might well have happened, some researchers say yes, others say no. As we both well know, it does not really matter. A frontal shot could have hit the throat without hiting the windshield first. A shot to the throat from the front does not depend on a shot through the windshield, they are mutually exclusive.
First, we don't need to prove this in order to accept conspiracy, second the evidence were covered up so it is impossible to find out what happened that day regarding shots, wounds and location of shooters.
What i am trying to say is that as shot from the front could have not caused the throat wound, because Jack believed that for this to have happened, by definition the bullet would have passed through the tie and shirt, which it didn't.
It's a pity that Jack is not with us anymore to explain better.