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The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - Magda Hassan - 14-07-2014 Is the Met hiding sex claim files? First indication Dickens dossier on Westminster paedophile ring may have been found
Published: 09:09 AEST, 13 July 2014 | Updated: 09:09 AEST, 13 July 2014 333 shares [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2690121/Is-Met-hiding-sex-claim-files-First-indication-Dickens-dossier-Westminster-paedophile-ring-found.html#comments"] 9 View comments [/URL] Scotland Yard was last night facing demands to say if it has a copy of a missing dossier containing explosive claims of a Westminster paedophile ring. Campaigning MP Simon Danczuk called on the Metropolitan Police to reveal what information is in its hands after The Mail on Sunday was given the first indication that the bombshell file had been found. A Freedom of Information response about the documents believed to name up to eight public figures involved in child sex abuse but lost or shredded by the Home Office confirmed the requested information is held' by Britain's biggest force. But the Yard has refused to set out exactly what information it has found even though a fresh search is under way in Home Office archives for the missing files compiled by the late Tory MP Geoffrey Dickens. Scotland Yard has refused to set out exactly what information it has found even though a fresh search is under way in Home Office archives for the missing files compiled by the late Tory MP Geoffrey Dickens (above) Last night Scotland Yard was told to come clean about what it has or risk fresh accusations of a cover-up. Mr Danczuk , the Labour MP for Rochdale who has helped uncover allegations of a Westminster abuse scandal including the scale of offending by the late Cyril Smith, said: The Met need to confirm or deny whether they hold what they believe to be the Dickens dossier. I think they have a duty not just to the Home Office and the inquiry but to the public. They have a responsibility to assist in terms of confirming whether the dossier exists or not. More...
It would be pretty appalling if they chose to hide the fact that they held the Dickens dossier. It could be that they failed to act on what's in the dossier and they are trying to keep a low profile in the hope it blows over.' He made his demands after an FOI request by this newspaper gave the first hint that the Met may have the sought-after dossier. The MoS asked this March for access to files on the investigations the Met carried out into the notorious Paedophile Information Exchange and all the documents it received on the group and its members, including those sent by Dickens, who died in 1995. Last night Scotland Yard was told to come clean about what it has or risk fresh accusations of a cover-up The Yard's FOI team replied in June, refusing to release the information in case it interfered with investigations, and to avoid revealing personal information. But within the five-page letter were several hints that the Met had indeed found the documents compiled by Dickens. It stated: The searches located records relevant to your request… I have considered your request for information within the provisions set out by the Act and can confirm that the requested information is held by the MPS. Having located and considered the relevant information, I am afraid that I am not required by statute to release the information requested. I have applied this exemption in that the names and personal details of any living individuals identified in the reports constitute personal data which would, if released, be in breach of the rights provided by the DPA.' But a spokesman for the force said last night the admissions in the FOI response should not be taken as confirmation that the force did have the particular dossier given by Dickens to the Home Office. He said: The Freedom of Information response makes it clear that records relevant to the request are held. However it does not indicate what those records are and it would be wrong to use that FOI response as confirmation that specific documents are held.' The spokesman declined to answer specific questions on what documents it did have and when it had found them, and would only add: The Metropolitan Police Service will fully co-operate with the review led by Peter Wanless and the panel chaired by Baroness Butler-Sloss and provide detail of relevant information. Whilst these and live police investigations are ongoing, it would be inappropriate to comment on this further.' Dickens said on one occasion he had handed over eight names of big people, really important names' including a former friend of his. Other files were said to expose paedophilia in Buckingham Palace and the diplomatic and civil services' and a top television executive' as well as child abuse and sex assaults at a children's home'. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2690121/Is-Met-hiding-sex-claim-files-First-indication-Dickens-dossier-Westminster-paedophile-ring-found.html The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - Magda Hassan - 14-07-2014 I was asked to find underage boys for sex at drink and drug-fuelled Tory party conferences, claims former activist
Published: 19:22 AEST, 13 July 2014 | Updated: 23:43 AEST, 13 July 2014 Senior Tory politicians took part in drink and drug-fuelled sex parties with underage boys during seaside conferences, it was claimed today. Former activist Anthony Gilberthorpe says he was handed cash and told to fetch entertainment' - code for young boys by members of Margaret Thatcher's government. But the claims were today rejected as tittle-tattle' by former Conservative minister David Mellor, who insisted those named were dead and unable to defend themselves. ![]() Former activist Anthony Gilberthorpe, left, claims he was asked to find underage boys for sex during Tory party conferences when Margaret Thatcher was leader in the early 1980s Westminster has been gripped by claims of an Establishment cover-up of allegations of child sex abuse over several decades. The government has appointed former High Court judge Baroness Butler-Sloss to lead a wide-ranging panel inquiry into abuse at every level of society. Mr Gilberthorpe says he will give the inquiry the names of former Tory ministers, some of whom are still alive, who he claims he saw with young men at party conferences. He claims he sent a 40-page dossier to Mrs Thatcher in 1989 detailing Cabinet ministers who took part in the sex parties, bur says he was warned off by a senior civil servant. He told the Sunday Mirror how boys as young as 15 were plied with alcohol and cocaine at Conservative gatherings in Blackpool and Brighton in the 1980s. More...
He named former former-Education Secretary Keith Joseph, ex-local government minister Rhodes Boyson, and Michael Havers, the former attorney general who is the brother of Baroness Butler-Sloss. All of those Mr Gilberthorpe names are now dead. Mr Gilberthorpe alleges that during the 1983 party conference in Blackpool he was asked by Dr Alistair Smith, the Conservative party chairman in Scotland, to find young boys for two Cabinet ministers to have sex with. The ministers are not named, but he does claim that Mr Boyson and Mr Joseph were there. Mr Gilberthorpe told the Sunday Mirror: 'Dr Smith, who I looked up to at the time and was the most important Tory in Scotland, told me to go and fetch some 'entertainment', which was code for young boys and handed me a handful of bank notes. There was about £120. I was expected to find the youngest and prettiest boys. It was what those men wanted. In fact, it was all they wanted Anthony Gilberthorpe He added: 'It was a norm and an open secret that these older members of the Tory party, like Dr Smith, paid for young men to join them at sex parties. 'I was expected to find the youngest and prettiest boys. It was what those men wanted. In fact, it was all they wanted.' He also claimed that selected people had an Oscar award symbol on their conference pass to give them access to secret sex parties. Mr Gilberthorpe alleges that in 1981 he went to a party in Blackpool where several boys who were clearly aged between 15 and 16' were performing sex acts on MPs. He claims he saw Sir Michael Havers there. Baroness Butler-Sloss has faced calls to stand down from her role leading the panel inquiry because her brother was in the Cabinet at the time many of these allegations date from. He also claims that during the 1984 party conference in Brighton there was a sex party at the Grand Hotel on the night before an IRA bomb killed five people. Mr Gilberthorpe says he was manipulated and groomed' by the senior politicians. It is time this came to light before anyone else is abused,' he added. But the allegations were dismissed by Mr Mellor, a former Tory Cabinet minister who served in the Thatcher and Major governments. Former Tory minister David Mellor, pictured today, dismissed Mr Gilberthorpe's claims as a 'lot of tittle-tattle' about people who were dead and cannot defend themselves He told BBC One's Andrew Marr show: The only people who are named are dead. There is an opportunity to name live people. What we are dealing with is a lot of tittle-tattle. Here is a chap who was annoyed that he wasn't chosen as a Tory candidate.' He added: It names a lot of dead people. Where is the bravery in that?' Mr Mellor said Mr Gilberthorpe had made public implausible names' in connection with the sex parties. This is now open season because of a pretty shoddy dossier presented to Leon Brittan by a Tory backbencher.' Geoffrey Dickens handed the file to the then-Home Secretary in 1983, but the Home Office says it can now not be found. Mr Mellor, a Home Office minister from 1983-87, added: The interesting thing about that dossier is nobody who has commented on it has ever seen it.' [B]HOW THE STORY UNFOLDED: CHILLING CLAIMS THAT SEX ABUSE RING MAY HAVE OPERATED IN BRITISH ESTABLISHMENT DATE BACK TO 1983 [/B] The chilling claims that a paedophile ring may have been operating within the British establishment first emerged in an investigation by campaigning Conservative politician Geoffrey Dickens. In November 1983, the MP for Littleborough and Saddleworth in Greater Manchester sent a 40-page document to then Home Secretary Leon Brittan detailing alleged VIP child abusers, apparently including former Liberal party chief whip Cyril Smith and other senior politicians. In a newspaper interview at the time, Mr Dickens claimed his dossier contained the names of eight 'really important public figures' that he planned to expose, and whose crimes are believed to have stretched back to the 1960s. November 1983: Geoffrey Dickens produces a huge dossier detailing allegations of sexual abuse against prominent figures in the British establishment. He tells his family the claims will 'blow apart' the VIP paedophile ring. March 1984: Home Secretary Leon Brittan tells Mr Dickens that his dossier has been assessed by prosecutors and passed on to the police, but no further action is taken. The dossier is now either lost or missing. May 1995 Geoffrey Dickens dies. A short time later his wife destroys his copy of the paedophile dossier. The only other copies - one received by Mr Brittan and another allegedly sent to the Director of Public Prosecutions - are believed to have been lost or destroyed. September 2010 The 29-stone Rochdale MP Sir Cyril Smith dies aged 82 without ever being charged with sex offences. 2011/2012: Following the death of Sir Jimmy Savile, dozens of claims of historic child abuse emerge - including a number of alleged victims of Smith, who is said to have spanked and sexually abused teenage boys at a hostel he co-founded in the early 1960s. October 2012 During Prime Minister's Questions, Labour MP Tom Watson claims there is 'clear intelligence suggesting a powerful paedophile network linked to Parliament and No10'. November 2012 Lancashire Police announced they will be investigating claims of sexual abuse by Smith relating to incidents before 1974, while Greater Manchester Police will investigate claims after 1974. November 2012 The Crown Prosecution Service admits Smith should have been charged with crimes of abuse more than 40 years earlier. The CPS also admitted Smith had been investigated in 1970, 1974, 1998, and 1999 but rejected every opportunity to prosecute him. November 2012 A former special branch officer, Tony Robinson, says a historic dossier 'packed' with information about Smith's sex crimes was actually in the hands of Mi5 - despite officially having been 'lost' decades earlier. December 2012 Scotland Yard sets up Operation Fairbank to investigate claims a paedophile ring operated at the Elm Guest House in Barnes, southwest London, in the 1970s and 80s. Among those abusing children are said to have been a number of prominent politicians. February 2013 Operation Fernbridge is established to investigate the Elm Guest House alleged paedophile ring. February 2013 It is claimed a 'paedophile ring of VIPs' also operated at the Grafton Close Children's Home in Richmond, Surrey. February 2013 Two men, a Catholic priest from Norwich, and a man understood to be connected to Grafton Close, arrested on suspicion of sexual offences and questioned by Operation Fernbridge officers. June 2013 Scotland Yard claims that seven police officers are working full time on Operation Fernbridge and are following more than 300 leads. June 2013 Charles Napier, the half-brother of senior Conservative politician John Whittingdale, is arrested by Operation Fairbank officers. December 2013 Some senior Labour party politicians linked to pro-paedophile campaign group the Paedophile Information Exchange, which was affiliated with the National Council for Civil Liberties pressure group, now known as Liberty, in the 1970s and early 1980s. December 2013 Police search the home of Lord Janner as part of a historical sex abuse investigation. He is not arrested. February 2014 Current deputy leader of the Labour Party Harriet Harman, who was NCCL's in-house lawyer at the time of its affiliation with PIE and even met her husband Jack Dromey while working there, is forced to deny she supported the activities of the pro-paedophile collective. February 2014 Patricia Hewitt, Labour's former Secretary of State for Health who was NCCL's general secretary for nine years, later apologised and said she had been 'naive and wrong' to consider PIE a legitimate campaign group. June 2014 Lord Janner's Westminster office is searched by police. Again the peer is not arrested. July 3, 2014 Labour MP Simon Danczuk called on Leon Brittan to say what he knew about the Dickens dossier. It emerges the dossier has now been either lost or destroyed and the Home Office admits it can find no evidence of any criminal inquiry relating to it. July 5, 2014 More than 10 current and former politicians are said to be on a list of alleged child abusers held by police investigating claims of an alleged paedophile ring. July 6, 2014 Home Office permanent secretary Mark Sedwill reveals that 114 files relating to historic allegations of child sex abuse, from between 1979 and 1999, have disappeared from the Home Office. It is also revealed that former Home Secretary Lord Brittan was accused of raping a student in 1967. The 2012 allegation was not investigated until Director of Public Prosecutions Alison Saunders ordered the Met Police to re-open the case in June this year. Read more: The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - Magda Hassan - 14-07-2014 EXCLUSIVE: Secret service infiltrated paedophile group to 'blackmail establishment'BRITISH security services infiltrated and funded the notorious Paedophile Information Exchange in a covert operation to identify and possibly blackmail establishment figures, a Home Office whistleblower alleges.By: Tim Tate and Ted JeoryPublished: Sun, June 29, 2014 [TABLE] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] A number of allegations of child sex abuse emerged after MP Cyril Smith's death [REX]The former civil servant has told detectives investigating the activities of paedophiles in national politics that the Metropolitan Police's Special Branch was orchestrating the child-sex lobbying group in the late 1970s and early 1980s. The whistleblower, who has spoken exclusively to the Sunday Express, says he was also warned off asking why such a notorious group was being handed government money. It emerged late last year that PIE was twice gave amounts of £35,000 in Home Office funding between 1977 and 1980, the £70,000 total equivalent to over £400,000 in today's money. Those details surfaced only after the whistleblower highlighted his concerns to campaigning Labour MP Tom Watson and his revelations have triggered an ongoing Home Office inquiry into why the cash was given to PIE which was abolished in 1985 after a number of prosecutions. Until now, speculation about the grant has centred on Clifford Hindley, the late Home Office manager who approved the payments. However, the whistleblower told the Sunday Express he thought higher and more sinister powers were at play. He has given a formal statement to that effect to detectives from Operation Fernbridge, which is looking into allegations of historic sex abuse at the Elm Guest House in south-west London. At that time, questioning anything to do with Special Branch, especially within the Home Office, was a no-no'. PIE, now considered one of the most notorious groups of the era, had gained respectability in political circles. Its members are said to have included establishment figures, and disgraced Liberal MP Cyril Smith was a friend of founder member Peter Righton.Mr X, whistleblower In 1981, Tory MP Geoffrey Dickens used Parliamentary privilege to name Sir Peter Hayman, the deputy director of MI6, as a member of PIE and an active paedophile. In 1983 Mr Dickens gave the Home Office a dossier of what he claimed was evidence of a paedophile network of "big, big names, people in positions of power, influence and responsibility". The Home Office says the dossier no longer exists. Whistleblower Mr X, whose identity we have agreed to protect, became a very senior figure in local government before retiring a few years ago. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, he was a full-time consultant in the Home Office's Voluntary Services Unit run by Clifford Hindley. In 1979 Mr X was asked to examine a funding renewal application for PIE, but he became concerned because the organisation's goal of seeking to abolish the age of consent "conflicted" with the child protection policies of the Department of Health and Social Security and asked for a meeting with Mr Hindley, his immediate boss. Elm House in London where it is alleged child abuse incidents took place [MARK KEHOE]Mr X recalled: "I raised my concerns, but he told me that I was to drop them. Hindley gave three reasons for this. He said PIE was an organisation with cachet and that its work in this field was respected. "He said this was a renewal of an existing grant and that under normal Home Office practice a consultant such as myself would not be involved in the decision-making process. "And he said PIE was being funded at the request of Special Branch which found it politically useful to identify people who were paedophiles. This led me not to pursue my objections. At that time, questioning anything to do with Special Branch, especially within the Home Office, was a no-no'. "I was under the clear belief that I was being instructed to back off and that his reference to Special Branch was expected to make me to do so. "Hindley didn't give me an explicit explanation of what Special Branch would do with information it gleaned from funding PIE, but I formed the belief that it was part of an undercover operation or activity. I was aware a lot of people in the civil service or political arena had an interest in obtaining information like that which could be used as a sort of blackmail." He said he asked for a file the Home Office kept on PIE, but his request was refused. However, he was certain then Tory Home Office Minister Tim Raison, who died in 2011, must have signed the 1980 funding application. Mr X has given a formal written statement to the inquiry set up last year into former Home Office links with PIE but has refused to meet the inquiry in person because he fears "repercussions" under the Official Secrets Act. Yesterday Tom Watson said: "The whole sorry business makes it absolutely imperative the Home Secretary bows to the will of the 114 MPs demanding a full, fearless public investigation into child sexual abuse." Special Branch was an integral part of the intelligence service gathering intelligence on spies and political threats to the state. In 2005 it merged with the anti-terrorism branch to form a Counter Terrorism Command. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/485529/Special-Branch-funded-Paedophile-Information-Exchange-says-Home-Office-whistleblower The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - David Guyatt - 14-07-2014 Quote:Baroness Butler-Sloss was behind controversial paedophile ruling And from The herald of Scotland: Quote: The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - Magda Hassan - 14-07-2014 I need to confirm but I think she has stepped down. It would be the only thing she could do under the circumstance. The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - Magda Hassan - 14-07-2014 Yes confirmed. Might be because of this that made it untenable but there were many reasons really. http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5328/baroness-butler-sloss-faces-another-hitch-in-heading-csa-inquiry Wonder who the next safe pair of hands they choose will be? The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - David Guyatt - 14-07-2014 Yes she stepped down citing conflict of interest. It took a week to reach that decision that she should have taken 7 days ago. Everyone else knew instantly her name was announced that she should recuse herself. Well, at least she's gone. The inquiry now will have to have a decent name to run it. But the Establishment will simply use another strategy to tie his/her hands using the terms of reference and/or not allowing access to classified material or not being able to use classified material. I will amount to the usual Whitehall whitewash --- as always. The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - Magda Hassan - 15-07-2014 They need some one acceptable to the victims. Some one with an understanding of bureaucracy. Some one with a security clearance. It really needs to be a panel too. Not just one person. Terms of reference need to be open and broad. It will be illuminating to see if they try to restrict it and how. I'm sure they will try but it also just exposes them as part of a cover up. Like choosing Butler Sloss. The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - David Guyatt - 15-07-2014 Aye. I think they're bound to try to find a candidate that can be controlled somehow --- or else never publish the report (a stroke they've pulled before as I recall), because they won't let all this out, as it goes everywhere and leads to all the deeper filth. Take one brick out of this house and it will all come down. So they will be seeking a more flexible way out. Meanwhile, the bloody awful May spills innocence. As if. Quote: The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - Magda Hassan - 15-07-2014 Exaro has been asking readers their recommendations. There have been some very good ones too. Some have already said they cannot take that role due to their other commitments but it would put the Home Secretary on the back foot if they reject any of these fine independent and qualified people. |