Jim Hackett II Wrote:

David Josephs Wrote:

Jim Hackett II Wrote:First I am convinced I MUST get Mr. Evica's book mentioned. I don't have it.

Second. You Sir have been called a poet, I have to agree, but it is more than any pentameter.
Clear and to the pertinent points with wit and exposure of details some may well have "forgotten".

Thanks a Bunch.

A point you made above is demonstrative of my point. Our Fascism is homegrown, not imported from anywhere else.

Best Regards and keep doing that which you do for our benefit.
Jim

FASCISM
often capitalized: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation (DJ: read "corporation") and often race (DJ: read "Class") above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition (DJ: Again, seems to me that the Rothschilds thru Morgan et al imported political fascism via economic warfare in order to create the CFR which in turn IS the dictatorial leader mentioned)

"HOME grown" ??

Seems to me we imported EVERYTHING from Europe including the men who would use fascist doctrine in business and disguise it as capitalism... that those who had power in the US were placed by European interests and served European masters....

Reading thru this I for one would like to understand how we are using the term FASCISM and how, by example, we see this Fascism manifest itself in the US as being "Home Grown"

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/rise_of_american_fascism.htm

thanks
DJ

Not paperclip. LOL.
Dulles could not have imported Gehlen without an implied "approval" of some thing from someone.
That approval wasn't imported from europe or anywhere else.
Fascism found fertile ground here without "imported" crap.
Idiots have come along to prove the point, Dugout Doug MacArthur and Walker and Custer and more
homegrown fascists. Geo. Rockwell.

In any guise Wall Street and the Elite have secretly embraced FASCISM all along. Sorry to burst your "europe did it" bubble, but Governance by dollar, government by corporation or by any other definition Fascism is as american as violence and apple pie and Chevrolet. It has american versions as Gen. Smedley Butler exposed.

You seek to argue. I have no need. The issues are historical fact.
I don't care if you want to argue, I don't play that for meaningless and useless confrontational junk.
Argue with yourself.
The issues are bigger than asking me to define fascism for you.:rofl::rofl:
I thought you did that for yourself above right?

Thanks again
Jim
Thanks too. But I don't have the energy or time to give to meaningless confrontational BS.
I really don't care who you like or don't and I never entered a popularity contest, just a truth seeking effort.

History demonstrates that FASCISM existed long before "europe" as a political entity, even before "Babylon" and its banking and trade empire of 2000 bc.

Greg Burnham Wrote:Easy boys...

I've known Jim for nearly 15 years. Good man. David, you know how much I respect you.

Perhaps all roads lead to Rome?

• "1) a mass movement with multiclass membership in which prevail, among the leaders and the militants, the middle sectors, in large part new to political activity, organized as a party militia, that bases its identity not on social hierarchy or class origin but on a sense of comradeship, believes itself invested with a mission of national regeneration, considers itself in a state of war against political adversaries and aims at conquering a monopoly of political power by using terror, parliamentary politics, and deals with leading groups, to create a new regime that destroys parliamentary democracy;"
  
• "2) an 'anti-ideological' and pragmatic ideology that proclaims itself antimaterialist, anti-individualist, antiliberal, antidemocratic, anti-Marxist, is populist and anticapitalist in tendency, expresses itself aesthetically more than theoretically by means of a new political style and by myths, rites, and symbols as a lay religion designed to acculturate, socialize, and integrate the faith of the masses with the goal of creating a 'new man';"
  
• "3) a culture founded on mystical thought and the tragic and activist sense of life conceived of as the manifestation of the will to power, on the myth of youth as artificer of history, and on the exaltation of the militarization of politics as the model of life and collective activity;"
  
• "4) a totalitarian conception of the primacy of politics, conceived of as an integrating experience to carry out the fusion of the individual and the masses in the organic and mystical unity of the nation as an ethnic and moral community, adopting measures of discrimination and persecution against those considered to be outside this community either as enemies of the regime or members of races considered to be inferior or otherwise dangerous for the integrity of the nation;"
  
• "5) a civil ethic founded on total dedication to the national community, on discipline, virility, comradeship, and the warrior spirit;"
  
• "6) a single state party that has the task of providing for the armed defense of the regime, selecting its directing cadres, and organizing the masses within the state in a process of permanent mobilization of emotion and faith;"
  
• "7) a police apparatus that prevents, controls, and represses dissidence and opposition, even by using organized terror;"
  
• "8) a political system organized by hierarchy of functions named from the top and crowned by the figure of the 'leader,' invested with a sacred charisma, who commands, directs, and coordinates the activities of the party and the regime;"
  
• "9) corporative organization of the economy that suppresses trade union liberty, broadens the sphere of state intervention, and seeks to achieve, by principles of technocracy and solidarity, the collaboration of the 'productive sectors' under control of the regime, to achieve its goals of power, yet preserving private property and class divisions;"
  
• "10) a foreign policy inspired by the myth of national power and greatness, with the goal of imperialist expansion."[SUP][27][/SUP]
  

• "A. Ideology and Goals:"
  • "Espousal of an idealist, vitalist, and voluntaristic philosophy, normally involving the attempt to realize a new modern, self-determined, and secular culture"
    
  • "Creation of a new nationalist authoritarian state not based on traditional principles or models"
    
  • "Organization of a new highly regulated, multiclass, integrated national economic structure, whether called national corporatist, national socialist, or national syndicalist"
    
  • "Positive evaluation and use of, or willingness to use violence and war"
    
  • "The goal of empire, expansion, or a radical change in the nation's relationship with other powers"
    
• "B. The Fascist Negations:"
  • "Antiliberalism"
    
  • "Anticommunism"
    
  • "Anticonservatism (though with the understanding that fascist groups were willing to undertake temporary alliances with other sectors, more commonly with the right)"
    
• "C. Style and Organization:"
  • "Attempted mass mobilization with militarization of political relationships and style and with the goal of a mass single party militia"
    
  • "Emphasis on aesthetic structure of meetings, symbols, and political liturgy, stressing emotional and mystical aspects"
    
  • "Extreme stress on the masculine principle and male dominance, while espousing a strongly organic view of society"
    
  • "Exaltation of youth above other phases of life, emphasizing the conflict of the generations, at least in effecting the initial political transformation"
    
  • "Specific tentency toward an authoritarian, charismatic, personal style of command, whether or not the command is to some degree initially elective"[SUP][28][/SUP]
    

• The Fascist Negations of anti-liberalism, anti-communism and anti-conservatism.
  
• Nationalist, authoritarian goals for the creation of a regulated economic structure to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture.
  
• A political aesthetic using romantic symbolism, mass mobilisation, a positive view of violence, promotion of masculinity and youth and charismatic leadership
  

Jim Hackett II Wrote:The issue of killing Custer in a political context would fit the pattern of the Empire "robber-barons".

I do not know enough about the machinations of the Elite in this circumstance. The concept most definitely is borne out by events. Timing can be so revealing in covert ops. Circumstantial Evidence but none the less evidence in the timing of some events.

Akin to JFK openly (in his cabinet and beyond - NSAM 263 signed by JFK not signed in his name) defining his SE Asia game refusal and within weeks he dies, timing.
Or Someone buying WTC and within weeks making a killing on murder by state, timing.

Hyperbolas? Maybe. Timing.
End result? An area I will check out. A good thing.
Thank You Charles

Charles Drago Wrote:OK, let's get back on an even keel if we can and revisit the topic of this thread.

Again, what I'm looking for is a simple declaration of what it would take for us to declare victory.

Which is another of asking after the nature of our objectives.