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It's All Been a Tremendous Lark - Jim DiEugenio - 26-03-2013
I too am glad Dawn just said what she said.
I am all for getting as many new people who are trying to get up to speed on the case involved.
As per Don:
I think that what happened is that the other owners warned CD about his abrasive style. And how this was turning off new people and resulting in a declining membership. Apparently, CD is CD and that is part of him. So he decided to leave. If I am wrong, please correct me.
IMO, DPF is the one forum that can rival Spartacus. It has that wide of a range plus it has some interesting posters. And most of all, there are no Von Peins, Gary Macks, and Ray Carrolls here. And I think that is what the owners designed it as.
One of the problems we have is that it is not easy to get new people interested. Mainly because there is so much disinfo out there. Which, in my view, is deliberate. But if people are exposed to the correct info, most of them understand what is important and relevant. THe problem as I perceive it from what people like Magda and Jan have written is that CD's approach was so harsh that the forum suffered overall. I mean, the guy even attacked me.
I understand CD's frustration and how it can explode in anger. And although its harder to comprehend, I also think I understand what happened to Fetzer. (I think Greg made a good stab at that.) But this is the 50th. If we are going to get new people interested, now is the time. Its a good opportunity for DPF. And I think they want to maximize it.
It's All Been a Tremendous Lark - Albert Doyle - 26-03-2013
The form of our American democracy was based on the free flow of information available to anyone on an equal basis.
The founding fathers were wise enough to create a system where no group or consensus of the powerful was above facts.
I don't think Dawn is being honest. Since Don was defending me, any apology to him is in fact an apology to me. It's just my opinion but I think the biggest harm to Deep Politics would come from creating a political group consensus above facts and using that consensus to disparage people and falsely label them agents provocateur and then successfully intellectually and physically exile them based on those false accusations. I believe Dawn called Charles' accusations "paranoia". I myself am more interested in the facts that induced that "paranoia" on a Deep Political basis. Is this a Charles soap opera or a site that discusses Deep Politics? It's my opinion that those Deep Politics should always be soundly based on the truth.
It's All Been a Tremendous Lark - Peter Lemkin - 26-03-2013
Albert Doyle Wrote:The form of our American democracy was based on the free flow of information available to anyone on an equal basis.
The founding fathers were wise enough to create a system where no group or consensus of the powerful was above facts.
I don't think Dawn is being honest. Since Don was defending me, any apology to him is in fact an apology to me. It's just my opinion but I think the biggest harm to Deep Politics would come from creating a political group consensus above facts and using that consensus to disparage people and falsely label them agents provocateur and then successfully intellectually and physically exile them based on those false accusations. I believe Dawn called Charles' accusations "paranoia". I myself am more interested in the facts that induced that "paranoia" on a Deep Political basis. Is this a Charles soap opera or a site that discusses Deep Politics? It's my opinion that those Deep Politics should always be soundly based on the truth.
You, IMHO, have NO idea of what our 'form of government was or is - nor who the founding father's were and what they believed. A few [very, very few] of the writers of the declaration of independence and the bill of rights had some idea of democracy; most were not democratic, but oligarchs who only wanted to be rid of Britain's oppressive taxes et al. They, to me, were troglodytes who everything as a commodity - the land, the Native Americans, the slaves, women, those white males without money and property. It was only by the blood, sweat and tears - the battles of the Average American poor, worker, women, blacks, Native Americans that any progress was made - not one iota was 'granted' by those rich white men of privilege, who no more believed in true democracy or checks and balances and all the other civic/history textbook myths than they did that the moon was made of green cheese. John Jay, the first Supreme Court Head Justice famously said, "Those who own America, ought to rule it." Some democrats...and most of the 'fathers' were slave holders, didn't allow poor whites or women to vote...and one could go on and on. Better read Zinn's A People's History of the United States......
It's All Been a Tremendous Lark - Jim Hackett II - 26-03-2013
Quoting Mr. Lemkin:
"They, to me, were troglodytes who everything as a commodity - the land, the Native Americans, the slaves, women, those white males without money and property. It was only by the blood, sweat and tears - the battles of the Average American poor, worker, women, blacks, Native Americans that any progress was made - not one iota was 'granted' by those rich white men of privilege, who no more believed in true democracy or checks and balances and all the other civic/history textbook myths than they did that the moon was made of green cheese. John Jay, the first Supreme Court Head Justice famously said, "Those who own America, ought to rule it." Some democrats...and most of the 'fathers' were slave holders, didn't allow poor whites or women to vote...and one could go on and on. Better read Zinn's A People's History of the United States......"
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If one is not aware of the continuing struggle for the working class Americans against Elitism then one of two conditions prevail.
First one may have taken the kool-aide of high school history that is little more than fable and enlistment indoctrination as fact.
Second one may choose to be ignorant of the American Class Struggle.
Neither state of issues is based in reality.
Real History has to be sought. It cannot be found in the propaganda droppings of the MSM or the education system (scam). It has to be uncovered because it is hidden and "forbidden knowledge".
The Harlan County war of the 30s Rockefeller's Coal Surrogates with the support of law and order thugs hired to be fascist enforcers. vs. the unempowered coal miners. Repeat in the early 1970s.
The FoMoCo thugs killing workers and wives and kids to forestall any labor organizing in ford company plants, the FoMoCo wage-slaves vs. again law and order fascists supported by the "Law". The color of authority already being corrupted by Henry Ford and FoMoCo.
The American government never provided the people anything before a DEMAND of redress. Public education was not the product of Andrew Carnigie's nor JPMorgan's "kindness" nor Bill Gates' sudden giveaways nor WBuffett's BS.
Organized labor demanded and secured public education for all and the 40 hour week and the HALT to CHILD LABOR as illegal.
The Women had to fight long and hard to even be able to vote! Just to vote let alone equal pay and respect they still fight for that victory against the Elite.
Organized Working Class Americans have done it. Not the twerps of the Elite GWBu$h class.
Not the fables of John Wayne at the Alamo nor Surabachi slopes.
Those were the working class American fights not fables of popular confection.
In the last economic collapse in 1929 the end product was more populist legislation Social Security and such brought about by the abuses of the Prescott Bu$h/AWDulle$ class.
Have a little truth.....
They are and will remain my enemy.
It's All Been a Tremendous Lark - Lauren Johnson - 26-03-2013
Dawn Meredith Wrote:Lauren Johnson Wrote:Dawn Meredith Wrote:Lauren Johnson Wrote:other than assuming a role as Op-Ed contributor who sends in his copy and goes about his life. When Magda said he would drive everyone away, she was correct. He simply could not tolerate comments for any number of reasons. He wanted to cull out the membership and purify the stock, no matter what the cost.
I hope he starts his own Forum and I would look forward to it. He would be wise, in my view, to cut off comments, as is often the case amongst other bloggers.
I consider your sudden intrusion into the JFK part of this forum rather suspect, If you know as little about the assassination of JFK as you do 9-11 I would kindly ask you to go back to your studies and let us sort out our internal affairs.
And follow your own advice: start your own forum.
Dawn
Ouch! Nice one, Dawn. Right to the heart. You covered all the bases in one sentence.
But I don't think you need to be suspicious of me in the JFK forum. I have not and do not intend to enter into substantive matters with the JFK assassination. I consider it case closed as defined by James Douglass. That isn't to say that there are many more things to settle, I don't have a dog in that hunt. Zero. I am reading DiEugenio's book and do not intend to participate in any reviews. That is best done by people who actually know something. And regarding the JFK issue, that is a tall order.
I don't recall you ever addressing me here at DPF about anything, but you have apparently stored up quite a bit of rancor toward me over the years. Sheesh. Regarding 9/11, I would actually be interested in what you have to say about my opinions about 9/11. Most of what I said here was directed at Jeffrey Orling's ROOSD theory. I don't recall you ever entering into that topic one way or the other. Send an IM. Seriously. I am always ready to be enlightened!
About settling out your own issues here about CD. Having read thousands of his posts since I joined in 12/09, and having communicated with him via IM and email over the years, I would have thought I had something to contribute. I agree with you. I should keep my yapper shut. Done.
Finally, a word to the Mods. If you agree with Dawn and want me gone, see ya. Most of what I post as you might note are articles of interest and not a lot of opinion. When I do express opinion, it is in the context of Sponsor/etc. model, strategy of tension, usually in the context of financial manipulation, warfare, and money laundering.
As a matter of fact, I am so surprised by your post, I guess I would need to hear some words of encouragement by others to continue to post here by others, or I will be taking Dawn's advice.
Lauren, please accept my apolopgy as I actually had you confused with someone else. I have enjoyed your posts and know almost nothing about you not even if you are male or female. Having just returned from a relaxing vacation I have come home to mountains of work - (am an attorney with no paralegal to assist) Then all this came up and I should have just kept my focuss
where it was needed- playing catch up with work. So in my haste at seeing you tell CD to leave and start his own forum I somehow got you confused with someone who does post a lot on the 9-11 section. And shot from the hip. Someting I am not given to do. I am usually very concilitory but this cluster fuck has had me in
over my head time wise. I do not want you to leave. I won't mention who I confused you with. That would just make this worse. Needless to say it hit me in bed last night that I had possibly made this error, and I awaked far to early, hoping I had replied to the person whom I BELIEVED had made the post.
That said I still totally disagree with what you wrote about CD but my response was wholly inappropriate.
Dawn
Dawn, your apology is gladly accepted and I consider our little dust up to be over.
Regarding Mr. Charlie, I think I did not write clearly about him. I did not intend to tell him to leave, and start his own forum. He had already left. I was and am looking for better outcomes. Starting his own forum might be one; writing as an op-ed contributor who did not engage in polemics might be another. But my intention was actually quite positive to him; I hope his voice to remains in the public domain -- the Evica/Drago voice, that is. Not that it matters, but I continue to read his book.
And yes, I just checked. Phew. I am still a male.
All the best.
It's All Been a Tremendous Lark - Dawn Meredith - 26-03-2013
Albert Doyle Wrote:The form of our American democracy was based on the free flow of information available to anyone on an equal basis.
The founding fathers were wise enough to create a system where no group or consensus of the powerful was above facts.
I don't think Dawn is being honest. Since Don was defending me, any apology to him is in fact an apology to me. It's just my opinion but I think the biggest harm to Deep Politics would come from creating a political group consensus above facts and using that consensus to disparage people and falsely label them agents provocateur and then successfully intellectually and physically exile them based on those false accusations. I believe Dawn called Charles' accusations "paranoia". I myself am more interested in the facts that induced that "paranoia" on a Deep Political basis. Is this a Charles soap opera or a site that discusses Deep Politics? It's my opinion that those Deep Politics should always be soundly based on the truth.
Get fucked "Doyle". How dare you question my honesty. I was over worked and overtired when I made that post and because Orling was mentioned IN it I missed who actually posted it. I have since apologised.
For your information I HAVE defended you. But guess what: it's over baby. No one calls me a liar
Yes I make mistakes but I also try to resolve as I did with Lauren. Since I see he/she is on here and has not acknowledged my public apology I will have zero more to say on that too.
People in the JFK research community know me and know I am honest and that I try to have people get along. I go too far in defending some.
So you have it ass backwards "Doyle", it is you who owe me the apology. I won't hold my breath.
Dawn
It's All Been a Tremendous Lark - Dawn Meredith - 26-03-2013
Lauren Johnson Wrote:Dawn Meredith Wrote:Lauren Johnson Wrote:Dawn Meredith Wrote:I consider your sudden intrusion into the JFK part of this forum rather suspect, If you know as little about the assassination of JFK as you do 9-11 I would kindly ask you to go back to your studies and let us sort out our internal affairs.
And follow your own advice: start your own forum.
Dawn
Ouch! Nice one, Dawn. Right to the heart. You covered all the bases in one sentence.
But I don't think you need to be suspicious of me in the JFK forum. I have not and do not intend to enter into substantive matters with the JFK assassination. I consider it case closed as defined by James Douglass. That isn't to say that there are many more things to settle, I don't have a dog in that hunt. Zero. I am reading DiEugenio's book and do not intend to participate in any reviews. That is best done by people who actually know something. And regarding the JFK issue, that is a tall order.
I don't recall you ever addressing me here at DPF about anything, but you have apparently stored up quite a bit of rancor toward me over the years. Sheesh. Regarding 9/11, I would actually be interested in what you have to say about my opinions about 9/11. Most of what I said here was directed at Jeffrey Orling's ROOSD theory. I don't recall you ever entering into that topic one way or the other. Send an IM. Seriously. I am always ready to be enlightened!
About settling out your own issues here about CD. Having read thousands of his posts since I joined in 12/09, and having communicated with him via IM and email over the years, I would have thought I had something to contribute. I agree with you. I should keep my yapper shut. Done.
Finally, a word to the Mods. If you agree with Dawn and want me gone, see ya. Most of what I post as you might note are articles of interest and not a lot of opinion. When I do express opinion, it is in the context of Sponsor/etc. model, strategy of tension, usually in the context of financial manipulation, warfare, and money laundering.
As a matter of fact, I am so surprised by your post, I guess I would need to hear some words of encouragement by others to continue to post here by others, or I will be taking Dawn's advice.
Lauren, please accept my apolopgy as I actually had you confused with someone else. I have enjoyed your posts and know almost nothing about you not even if you are male or female. Having just returned from a relaxing vacation I have come home to mountains of work - (am an attorney with no paralegal to assist) Then all this came up and I should have just kept my focuss
where it was needed- playing catch up with work. So in my haste at seeing you tell CD to leave and start his own forum I somehow got you confused with someone who does post a lot on the 9-11 section. And shot from the hip. Someting I am not given to do. I am usually very concilitory but this cluster fuck has had me in
over my head time wise. I do not want you to leave. I won't mention who I confused you with. That would just make this worse. Needless to say it hit me in bed last night that I had possibly made this error, and I awaked far to early, hoping I had replied to the person whom I BELIEVED had made the post.
That said I still totally disagree with what you wrote about CD but my response was wholly inappropriate.
Dawn
Dawn, your apology is gladly accepted and I consider our little dust up to be over.
Regarding Mr. Charlie, I think I did not write clearly about him. I did not intend to tell him to leave, and start his own forum. He had already left. I was and am looking for better outcomes. Starting his own forum might be one; writing as an op-ed contributor who did not engage in polemics might be another. But my intention was actually quite positive to him; I hope his voice to remains in the public domain -- the Evica/Drago voice, that is. Not that it matters, but I continue to read his book.
And yes, I just checked. Phew. I am still a male.
All the best.
No problem...I did not see this when responding to "Doyle" who just called me a liar. I tolerate a lot but my integrity is sacred and when some stranger calls me a liar I see red.
But I would still like to know just who you are. And I agree with what you just posted about CD. It's his call to make.
I too want to think of positive things to engage in for the 50th. I have asked several times now just who all will be defying the ptb and going to Dallas? I understand CD's frustration. I feel the same way. I have been dealing with this issue since day 1. Almost fifty years and I worry that this is our last opportunity to do something. For instance has anyone contacted RFK jr to ask that he join us in Dallas?
Back to work...more on these matters when I get time to breathe.
Dawn
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It's All Been a Tremendous Lark - Jeffrey Orling - 26-03-2013
Amazing this represents the communications of people well past middle aged. Reads more like junior high school.
It's All Been a Tremendous Lark - Jim Hackett II - 26-03-2013
Someone may be contacting RFK Jr.
I hope this is true.
Thanks Dawn for all you're doin'.
It's All Been a Tremendous Lark - Jim Hackett II - 26-03-2013
Jeffrey Orling Wrote:Amazing this represents the communications of people well past middle aged. Reads more like junior high school.As expected just bloviation.
