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Richard Case Nagell - More Than Meets The Eye - Peter Lemkin - 08-10-2009 Jan Klimkowski Wrote:James Richards Wrote:Peter and Magda, In brief, it has long been my feeling that many of the players in the Dallas Coup were told or chose to move to SEA CIA ops [or those off-the-shelf ones in orbit around them] and their were involved in Pheonix, Nugan-Hand and other dirt. Certain important persons wanted them out of the USA and out of sight, but still pulling Ops as they had before, during and after Dallas. These people and events intertwine with Terpil and Wilson, Quadaffi, various planes bombed out of the sky, Iran-Contra, various assassinations, and various government overthrows - or attempts at same. The saddest thing is they mostly were never brought to justice and the few still alive and their heirs carry-on this kind of mayhem for the Elites that pull the strings. To them there are no democracies - only those with power and those [the most of us] without, who they play like pawns on a chessboard. Gun and drug running, money laundering, illegal operations on all scales, power-plays and king maker/breakers, etc. All for money, power and control. Out of this bunch we also got Murdock and the other media-control corps - read propaganda machinery. Why do you think they call 'the Company' 'the Company'? No coincidence. :marchmellow: Richard Case Nagell - More Than Meets The Eye - Phil Dragoo - 08-10-2009 Nagell's letter evokes William S. Burrough's Naked Lunch. The operative aspect of Burrough's life being heroin. Heroin being stipulated in this thread as contributing much, though not necessarily most or all, of the casus belli. Nagell's tone is breathless, a parody of paranoia, camping about in the dance of the Seven Eyes-Only Files. A colonel friend of ours recounted once executing orders to escort an Apocalypse-esque drug caravan through his area from that of a Viet Cong area. An order he received and executed without question--from his chain of command. A friend, retired from a life in finance in Boston and New York, raged that Brown and Root would go to Johnson for a new check for a billion dollars each week. The work of Prouty and others is full of significant mention of Bell helicopters, the money made prior to the placing of the orders by inside traders. Groden and Prouty and Stone's reference to NSAM 263 reversed by NSAM 273 signed the Tuesday after the riderless horse, first day of business under New Management--though circulated prior to The Big Dance in draft form. And Ruppert who took his Venezuelan sabbatical, citing Nixon as the Superfly. His comrade in whistleblowing John Carman (formerly customscorruption.com) framed in Mexico by U.S. Feds and doing time in Federal prison for having outed so much U.S. government complicity in trafficking. Did not 43 refer to Johnny Sutton as "my dear friend" and did these not "make an example of" Ramos and Compean for interrupting the free flow of drugs at market prices, the Chinese precursor-fuelled/Mexican-superlab meth, and of course the Afghan/Pokemon connection. Nagell is rabid. He has so much to say. He is so deathly afraid of saying it. It is as though one had Jack Ruby's Weekend with Benzedrine reading from Finegan's Wake. Assassination research as a rather long and good-natured footnote for those who could not stay awake through the camouflage of tedium. I am adding Nagell to my must-read, after JFKU. Thank you all. Your pay is not in seminar scrip but historic gold. History will revalue your investment. Richard Case Nagell - More Than Meets The Eye - Bernice Moore - 11-10-2009 johnsville.blogspot.com/2005/04/ed-wilson-cia...SCROLL DOWN.. I HAVE NO IDEA IF THIS WILL BE OF ANY USE IN A COMP....PERHAPS JAMES HAS A YOUNGER VERSION..OF HIM.. JAMES...B.. Richard Case Nagell - More Than Meets The Eye - Peter Lemkin - 12-10-2009 Bernice Moore Wrote:johnsville.blogspot.com/2005/04/ed-wilson-cia...SCROLL DOWN.. Interesting to see Wilson old. He was convicted of mostly trumped-up falsehoods, however, was hardly innocent of many crimes - but I suspect he was working under orders doing them, rather than being 'rogue'..... He knows much, but they silenced him and I don't think we'll hear from him unless he leaves something after his death..... Richard Case Nagell - More Than Meets The Eye - Phil Dragoo - 12-10-2009 AFFIDAVIT OF EDWARD P. CUTOLO http://www.wethepeople.la/cutolo.htm Quote: Affidavit runs to 86 points including the following passage: Quote: Richard Case Nagell - More Than Meets The Eye - Vasilios Vazakas - 18-11-2011 According to Nagell the Soviets knew of a plot to murder JFK and asked him to kill Oswald in order to stop it, since they knew Oswald's role as a patsy. My question is this: The Soviets knew that Nagell did not carry out the threat and he was in jail. They knew that Oswald was alive and the plot was still to take place. Then Oswald or somebody using his name, appeared in the Soviet embassy in Moscow. The Soviets knowing about Oswald and the plot, surely they would have recognized an effort to connect them to Oswald and to the plot. Before they were not invloved in this and yet they asked Nagell to kill Oswald. After Oswald's visit in Mexico they were directly involved and they would have a stronger motive to intervene. They could have killed Oswald in Mexico and blame it to a robbery or something or an accident. Things used to happen there. And yet they failed to act. Why???Can anyone explain this contradicting behaviour on the Soviets' part? Richard Case Nagell - More Than Meets The Eye - Charles Drago - 18-11-2011 Vasillios, Your confusion arises from your appreciation of "the Soviets" as a monolithic political/ideological entity. If, like me, you agree with James Douglass and George Michael Evica -- among others -- that the political assassination of Nikita Khrushchev came at the hands of the same "unspeakable" supra-national entity that murdered JFK, and that said entity so thoroughly permeates nation structures and systems as to effectively co-direct them in competition with the official myths' characters, then you must conclude that competing factions within "Soviet" intelligence and political operations were at work on the Nagell tactics. Charles Richard Case Nagell - More Than Meets The Eye - Greg Burnham - 18-11-2011 Charles Drago Wrote:Vasillios, Well said, Charles. Richard Case Nagell - More Than Meets The Eye - Vasilios Vazakas - 18-11-2011 I appreciate your thinking. I sometimes wonder if Nechiporenko was cooperating with his CIA counterparts to implicate Oswald with the Soviets to force the removal of both JFK and Kruschev since he wrote in his book that it was Oswald that visited the embassy. It is more likely that Oswald never went down there, the description of blonde, 5ft6" tall indicates this. However what the hardline Soviets would have done if Nagell had killed or injured Oswald? And why the softline Soviets who knew of the plot and wanted to save JFK's life did not inform RFK or shooting Oswald in Mexico themselves? Unless Nagell lied and it was never his intention to kill Oswald because the Soviets never told him anything like that. And he ended up in jail to avoid involving himself in the plot or for some other undisclosed reason. He blamed the Anti-Castro Cubans for pllaning it. Maybe his purpose was to exonerate the Soviets by saying what he said and false sponsor the Cuban exiles. And to be allowd to travel to East Germany after all this...Complicated stuff and certainly not as simple Nagell made it sound. Richard Case Nagell - More Than Meets The Eye - Albert Doyle - 18-11-2011 Espionage is a multi-dimensional chessboard. Maybe the Soviets were trying to flip Oswald. Maybe the Soviets were trying to flip people in cahoots with Oswald. Keeping Oswald alive may have been more important than killing him. In the end the Soviets could have decided to exploit the right-wing American coup to their advantage. |