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UFOS - the serious new deep political research topic? - David Guyatt - 18-02-2009 Btw Kate, it is important to note that Jacques Vallee is believed to have been a member of The Aviary (see HERE). This is significant, I think, in his view that the "Greys" or aliens are transdimensional (i.e., inner world)in character - and if you look to the beginning of this thread and Crowley's master Lam, an "inner world" guide (who clearly was the template for the later aliens known as "Greys"), it becomes evident that the whole structure of aliens is metaphysical in character. It is also significant for another reason. If Crowley's Master Lam originated from the realms of the "Qlippoth" -- that is to say the "Tunnels of Set" then we are, indeed, dealing with something very unpleasant. For more details on this see HERE As spooky as it is, it can barely be denied that there are clear connections between a variety of curious subjects including mind control technology, UFOs, advanced Nazi weapons, Nazi occult practices of the Himmler/Thule Gesellschaft variety, L Ron Hubbard, the US and Nazi Rocket Programme (Crowleyite Jack Parsons et al), the Priory of Sion, the Nephilim (Watchers), the Merovignian bloodline, the Tunnels of Set a.k.a., the Tree of Death, the SS and the Scwarze Sonne -- also the "Black Sun" of alchemical literature and, of course, Jung's various discourses on the personal and Collective Shadow and the assassination of JFK. To mention just some key ones. UFOS - the serious new deep political research topic? - Ludwig Schulz - 19-02-2009 I have been reading this thread with interest, especially the post about the meaning of the “grey alien” face. I want to point the attention to the following article that appeared in the “sceptic magazine”. http://www.skeptic.com/the_magazine/featured_articles/v11n4_alien_faces.html The main argument is, that a lot of animals have inborn visual recognition templates, which help them recognizing certain shapes which are of extreme importance to them. In the case of human beings, there seems to be some kind of facial recognition template. Being able to recognizing a face is a highly specialized human ability of great importance, especially being able to recognize the mother/parents. The visual capabilities of the newborn are quiet limited, so faces are seen distorted, the authors of this article try to figure out how a face might be perceived by a newborn and come to the conclusion that it looks pretty much like your typical “grey alien” face (or “Master Lam”). Since the newborn is reacting to it, even though having no own past experience with faces, they argue that the inborn visual recognition template of the newborn must resemble the "grey alien" face. The grey alien face could well be the inherited “archetypal face” pre-programmed into every human brain. If valid, these findings certainly offer interesting possibilities to interpret the abduction experience, or could give an explanation why a face like this would be useful in some kind of “psyop”. The typical abduction experience has lot more distinct features which could be interpreted as relived birth experiences. UFOS - the serious new deep political research topic? - David Guyatt - 19-02-2009 Ludwig Schulz Wrote:I have been reading this thread with interest, especially the post about the meaning of the “grey alien” face. Ludwig, welcome and thank you for your thoughtful post. There is also an excellent essay by Martin Cannon written several years ago called "The Controller's" that also speaks of the psyops aspect of alien Greys etc. You can find it HERE. Prior to writing that, Martin was better known for is insightful essays in the mind control field. Canon's essay contains this intriguing statement: Quote:In this light, the film version of COMMUNION - whose screenplay was written by Whitley Strieber - takes on a new interest: The abduction sequences contain inexplicable images indicating that the "greys" are really props, or masks. Strieber's Grey alien image could easily have been lifted straight from Crowley's pencil sketch of his Master Lam. But it might just as easily have been lifted from the 1950's British comic the Eagle that featured the weekly adventures of spacepilot Dan Dare and is arch adversary the aien being known as the Mekon -- the little "green" dude usually wafting about on a flying plate (saucer?) seen HERE I contend that it was no accident that the Mekon (aka Grey alien forerunner) appeared in a 1950's comic - the argument being that the entire UFO myth was created in the 1950's -- specifically 1947 -- with Kenneth Arnold's sighting of the first ever flying saucers. UFOS - the serious new deep political research topic? - Dixie Dea - 19-02-2009 David I had read Martin Cannon's pages and then later on, I ran across this page. Do you have any explanation about why he would seemingly no longer believe his theories and turn away from everything. He mentions that he was tired of being accused of being a spook, but I wonder if there is more to it then that. http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1997/mar/d21-001.shtml Dixie UFOS - the serious new deep political research topic? - David Guyatt - 19-02-2009 Dixie Dea Wrote:David Hi Dixie. Yes, I was in contact with him briefly back in the late 1990's and I think he had reached the point of disgusted burn out. Investigating UFO's and mind control is hard work and you do come into contact with all the fruit cakes -- and I can personally attest (re mind control anyway) to the fact that you can easily get sick of the subject and need time to stand back and rebalance yourself. So that's my best guess anyway. But also, as Jan (I think) has mentioned elsewhere on this forum, he received death threats from John Alexander's CIA mate Gordon Novel of JFK fame. Which may or may not have had an impact? edit = PS: I would add that any hopes anyone had (me included) of making a living researching and writing about serious conspiracy matters is virtually doomed to failure. This also hurts. A lot. At every turn you get screwed and the worse predators in this respect are TV types who want to bleed you for what you know but not pay a penny for it. I eventually took the view to just do it anyway because I wanted the information out there - and was ultimately able to reconcile living in virtual poverty to achieve this (although I was always aware that compared to the starving in the third world I lived like a king!). On the death threat and Aviary see HERE UFOS - the serious new deep political research topic? - Jan Klimkowski - 19-02-2009 I spoke with Martin Cannon shortly after the manuscript of The Controllers was circulated - largely privately - in the 1990s. It is important to note that, to my knowledge, it is still a manuscript and has never been formally published. There is much I won't say on a public forum. However, I will say that Martin Cannon is an intelligent and diligent researcher, and The Controllers is an important and interesting document. It is, in large part, a perceptive exploration of a hypothesis which I will quote in Martin Cannon's own words: Quote:The fault lies not in our stars, but in ourselves. UFOS - the serious new deep political research topic? - Dixie Dea - 20-02-2009 Thanks David and also Jan.....quite interesting INFO! I sure can understand what happens when one tries to decipher or dive into such topics. Just with the very small attempts that I have made, I am findIng that the study just never ends. It continually takes you into areas you hadn't even thought about, which then requires another new study in ttself. Just on this thread alone, I have found names I never heard of and have been trying to check out each one, for just a little info about them and their theories. Then there is all the.disinfo and the outright fruit loops, that keep you so confused as to what is truth and what is not....or what is just pure fairy tale fantasy. So, I do have to conclude this all leads to both great fear as well as deep burnout....not to mention perhaps redicule. I mentioned some time hack that I had been working on something, along these lines, but it has been hard trying to pursue it. I have spent months just trying to find something that might confirm my growing suspicions regarding a certain Psychiatrist, but I am not hardly finding. anything, that might confirm it. But then also, I am suspicious that no info seems available, through google anyway.....even though I have used so many different categories in my search engine efforts. I only get the very limited and usually one sentence same info in every account mentioned of him, that has been copied over and over in hundreds of different websites. I just find that real strange for a Psychiatrist, who was regarded as so prestigious.. Although I was finally able to find some additional info, which gives me even more suspiciions of him. I have not even been able to find an Obituary for him, even though I believe that he passed away several years ago. Could be he was just as has been described and I am only just whistlening in the dark about him Or perhaps I am just overly suspicious because I grew up when it was thought that a Communist was hiding behind every tree...:-) At the same time, I am continually getting sidetracked with other pertinent info that I just feel compelled to also check out.,,,which takes me into "other dimensions" related to this study. I have attempted to study some areas of Mind Control, throgh the years, but there is just so much info in that regard. I do believe that many people are seeing something and even feel that some believe that they were abducted by aliens. However, I do NOT bellieve that UFO's are from another galaxy and believe there is other explanations to account for so-called alien abductions, such as with the discussions on ths thread. Problem is, that in both sides of this issue there are strange, imaginative and also rather preposterous accounts and theories. Well. I have been involved in JFK studies for many years, so perhaps this is all just a new and additional form of interest and studies for me. However, I wasn't really wanting to get in so deep that I also feel compelled to buy every book involved....but some are actually beginning to be of interest to me. I already have quite an extensive collection of JFK Assn, related books and hate to get involved in another collection... :-) Yet, I am continually being more intrigued. Maybe I should attempt to write up all that I do have about my specific subject of interest and post it here and then see if anyone else might have some additional thoughts or even some answers....or even if my suspicions are unfounded. While I am thinking of it, what is the thought in regard to what has been referred do as MILABS? So far, parts of it seems somewhat plausible and yet it always seems to get into areas of seeming to be.too implausible.,,,like they get too carried away, with their imaginative theories. So then it all begins to seem as improbable (to me anyway) just as the belief in UFO's and alien abductions from other galaxy's. Although it has occurred to me that it has all been orchestrated by disinfo's in order to both confuse or actually sound rediculous.....so that we cannot get at the truth of what might actually be going on. Oh, another question I have.....what is the (perhaps hidden) function or agenda in regard to the Rockfeller Foundation...that is, if there is any agenda at all. Is it perhaps like the Pioneer Fund...with its Eugenics studies and Nazi like focus? I ran across it in my area of study and not sure if it has any pertenant significanace to add to my suspicions or not. Dixie UFOS - the serious new deep political research topic? - David Guyatt - 20-02-2009 You might want to do a Google search on Prof. Antony Sutton and the Rockefeller interests Dixie. He has written on the subject fairly extensively in his various books. The below link is just a flavour of some of it: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg50418.htm The Rockefeller family have long been very big movers and shakers and if I remember correctly, the Bush crime family were their faithful servants... UFOS - the serious new deep political research topic? - David Guyatt - 20-09-2009 I think the following article clearly explains the historic interest shown by the RAF in the topic of UFO's. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5950460.ece Quote:From The Sunday Times UFOS - the serious new deep political research topic? - Magda Hassan - 20-09-2009 Another one for the 'No one can keep a conspiracy secret - not true' file. The stealth bomber was in development for many years, decades, a cast of many hundreds perhaps thousands and no one spilled the beans. |