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The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - Cliff Varnell - 09-11-2016
David Guyatt Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:Magda Hassan Wrote::hock:: ::face.palm::
Yes, I saw that too. My eyes watered.
You don't live here, you have no idea what this election was like to live thru.
No, I'm a modicum bit closer to Syria, Libya, Ukraine and other war zones America has chosen to export overseas for reasons of profit and greed.
You appear to have no idea (nor care a jot) what these wars must have been like to live through - 2 + million deaths, millions of suffering and starving, homes ruined beyond repair, kids blown to smithereens by invisible drones from above and listed as collateral damage. The list would take pages and pages to complete.
But all you gripe about is poor you.
Factually incorrect. I have cited the drone war, the mess in the Ukraine, the killing of a half million Iraqi children under B. Clinton, the US-Saudi-ISIS connections, and I've denounced American Imperialism in all its forms.
You Brits are right in there too, so I fail to see the basis of your self-righteousness.
Get ready for war with Iran.
The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - Carsten Wiethoff - 09-11-2016
Cliff Varnell Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:Magda Hassan Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:Julian Assange, Vladimir Putin and James Comey rigged the 2016 election and I will never accept this scumbag as my Prez.
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Yes, I saw that too. My eyes watered.
You don't live here, you have no idea what this election was like to live thru.
Hillary's e-mails were obsessed over by the media and the Republican lies about them were never vetted, only repeated endlessly, relentlessly.
Cliff, in a strange way I think I can feel with you. The one thing I do not understand is your bringing up Putin. Do you really think that Russian government controlled hackers would just dump these emails to wikileaks, if they had them? I mean, they surely have them, but they would not use them in this way. And that it was so easy to get them is exactly the problem.
Hillary's private server was not in any way encrypted or otherwise secured and could have been hacked by any 14 year old script kiddie. Podesta's email password could be found by any automatic password searcher in under a second. And he even put it into a phishing website and did not change it immediately. What do you think happens, if you do that?
But it is not about method, it is about content. When I learn that Hillary is fully aware about the Saudi-Quatar-Isis connection and still accepts money (for one of the biggest arms deals in history) from them, I find it disgusting, but not surprising. But I imagine, some American were surprised to learn that.
And that 650000 emails are found in a file called life-insurance (for whom?) on Weiner's PC just emphasizes that the content of these emails is somehow threatening to Hillary, even if corruption is commonplace and normal in politics.
This is beyond normal, beyond corrupt.
I am quite sure, Putin would have preferred to have this material against a sitting president and use it later, piece by piece.
The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - David Guyatt - 09-11-2016
Cliff Varnell Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:Yes, I saw that too. My eyes watered.
You don't live here, you have no idea what this election was like to live thru.
No, I'm a modicum bit closer to Syria, Libya, Ukraine and other war zones America has chosen to export overseas for reasons of profit and greed.
You appear to have no idea (nor care a jot) what these wars must have been like to live through - 2 + million deaths, millions of suffering and starving, homes ruined beyond repair, kids blown to smithereens by invisible drones from above and listed as collateral damage. The list would take pages and pages to complete.
But all you gripe about is poor you.
Factually incorrect. I have cited the drone war, the mess in the Ukraine, the killing of a half million Iraqi children under B. Clinton, the US-Saudi-ISIS connections, and I've denounced American Imperialism in all its forms.
Excellent news. Can you link me to those statements please?
The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - Cliff Varnell - 09-11-2016
Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:Magda Hassan Wrote::
Yes, I saw that too. My eyes watered.
You don't live here, you have no idea what this election was like to live thru.
Hillary's e-mails were obsessed over by the media and the Republican lies about them were never vetted, only repeated endlessly, relentlessly.
Cliff, in a strange way I think I can feel with you. The one thing I do not understand is your bringing up Putin. Do you really think that Russian government controlled hackers would just dump these emails to wikileaks, if they had them?
Thank you for the collegial reply, Carsten.
I think there would be plausible deniability, they dumped them to someone who dumped them to Wikileaks.
When Assange says the Russians didn't give them to him, I'm sure he's telling the truth.
Quote:I mean, they surely have them, but they would not use them in this way. And that it was so easy to get them is exactly the problem.
Hillary's private server was not in any way encrypted or otherwise secured and could have been hacked by any 14 year old script kiddie.
But there's no indication her server was hacked.
All of her e-mails came out thru the FBI.
Quote:Podesta's email password could be found by any automatic password searcher in under a second. And he even put it into a phishing website and did not change it immediately. What do you think happens, if you do that?
We find out that the Clintons sold access to Dow Chemical and Eleanor Clift likes walnuts in her salad.
Quote:But it is not about method, it is about content. When I learn that Hillary is fully aware about the Saudi-Quatar-Isis connection and still accepts money (for one of the biggest arms deals in history) from them, I find it disgusting, but not surprising.
I don't buy the claim that these arms deals were a quid pro quo for Clinton Foundation donations.
The US has been arming these scumbags for decades.
Didn't start with Clinton.
Quote:But I imagine, some American were surprised to learn that.
And that 650000 emails are found in a file called life-insurance (for whom?) on Weiner's PC just emphasizes that the content of these emails is somehow threatening to Hillary, even if corruption is commonplace and normal in politics.
No, those were not e-mails to or from Clinton and were duplicates the FBI had already examined.
Innocuous.
Comey knew this when he made his treasonous play 11 days out from the election.
Quote:This is beyond normal, beyond corrupt.
I am quite sure, Putin would have preferred to have this material against a sitting president and use it later, piece by piece.
Won't do him any good.
Trump always stabs his business partners in the back.
Putin will rue the day he weighed in for Trump.
The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - Cliff Varnell - 09-11-2016
David Guyatt Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:You don't live here, you have no idea what this election was like to live thru.
No, I'm a modicum bit closer to Syria, Libya, Ukraine and other war zones America has chosen to export overseas for reasons of profit and greed.
You appear to have no idea (nor care a jot) what these wars must have been like to live through - 2 + million deaths, millions of suffering and starving, homes ruined beyond repair, kids blown to smithereens by invisible drones from above and listed as collateral damage. The list would take pages and pages to complete.
But all you gripe about is poor you.
Factually incorrect. I have cited the drone war, the mess in the Ukraine, the killing of a half million Iraqi children under B. Clinton, the US-Saudi-ISIS connections, and I've denounced American Imperialism in all its forms.
Excellent news. Can you link me to those statements please?
I gotta dig thru all these posts?
Let me see if I can refresh your memory: "The USA arms the Saudis. Check. The Saudis arm Al Q and ISIS. Check. Tell me what I'm missing."
Remember?
In one post I thanked Obama for the Iran nuke deal, the removal of chemical weapons from Syria, and the opening to Cuba (and then parenthetically said no thanks for the drone war, the Ukraine mess, and the crackdown on whistle-blowers.)
Paul cited 3 instances of US perfidy and I added the case of 500,000 Iraqi children who died because of sanctions on Iraq enforced by B. Clinton.
How many times have I told you directly I agreed that US foreign policy is horrible?
"The antidote for American Imperialism is not American fascism."
I've been actively opposing US imperialism since the George McGovern campaign in 1972.
Y'all got fuck-all on me!
The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - Cliff Varnell - 09-11-2016
Trump victory sparks angry protests across California: 'Not my president'
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-protest-trump-20161109-story.html
The election of Donald Trump to the presidency sparked protests early Wednesday across California, drawing crowds to city streets and college campuses.
The demonstrations reflected sadness, anger and bursts of rage. Crowds openly disavowed the president-elect and a few resorted to vandalism.
Shortly after Trump delivered a victory speech in New York, up to 1,500 people gathered at UCLA. The demonstration peaked about 1 a.m., when a Trump piñata was set on fire in a trash can outside a Westwood Boulevard store.
The small blaze aside, no major incidents were reported and police said the crowd was peaceful.
N.J. Omorogieva, 19, said she was "heartbroken" by the election's result when she spotted the crowd in Westwood while walking home.
"Of course I joined in," she said. "To give hugs to people who were overcome by devastation."
In Oakland, demonstrators smashed a window at the Oakland Tribune newsroom and ignited trash containers and tires, the East Bay Times reported. Protesters also burned Trump in effigy, KNTV reported.
At UC Santa Barbara, hundreds marched near the campus, with some chanting, "Not my president. Not my president."
One person carried a Mexican flag, according to video posted by the student newspaper, the Daily Nexus.
About 500 students marched through the La Jolla campus of UC San Diego, protesting Trump's win and chanting his name with an expletive.
At UCLA, some students lifted their arms up while demonstrating in Westwood Village. Others chanted, "Not my president," according to social media users who documented the scene on the ground.
UC Police Sgt. Miguel Bañuelos said at UCLA, the crowd mostly cleared after 1 a.m. and no injuries were reported.
Demonstrations were also reported in downtown Los Angeles, at UC Santa Cruz and UC Irvine.
A throng marching in Oakland chanted, "Who's got the power? We got the power."
Protests in the Bay Area city centered downtown and also saw a march along Highway 24, where a woman was struck by an SUV. She was rushed to the hospital with "major injuries," California Highway Patrol Sgt. Matt Langford told the San Francisco Chronicle.
Small fires in Oakland also prompted the closure of a Bay Area Rapid Transit station.
In downtown L.A., anger simmered as a crowd gathered near City Hall. Some property was defaced, including a fence scrawled with graffiti insulting Trump.
But the mood was more buoyant at the president-elect's star on the Walk of Fame in Hollywood, where a small crowd of about 30 Trump supporters gathered about 1 a.m. They posed for pictures and chanted with delight.
"This is our president," they cheered as they tried to shout down a small band of counter-protesters.
The crowd, many of them wearing the candidate's signature "Make America Great Again" hats, chanted "USA" several times.
Two Los Angeles police officers were posted nearby and moved the crowd apart at one point to return wooden construction materials on top of the spot. The wood was installed recently after Trump's star was defaced.
Diane Mendez, 23, a Trump supporter who volunteered at a polling place, said she came to celebrate what she saw as a turning point.
"He said he would bring jobs back to America. We all need jobs," Mendez said. "Who doesn't need jobs?"
At USC, students rallied around the statue of Tommy Trojan, located in the center of the private university's campus in South Los Angeles.
One Twitter user described it as an "open forum," with members of the USC community sharing reactions on Trump's election.
The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - Cliff Varnell - 09-11-2016
And the fascist treason is off and running!
Omarosa: Republicans Who Vote Against Donald Trump Will Be Put On "A List"
http://ijr.com/2016/11/732006-omarosa-republicans-who-vote-against-donald-trump-will-be-put-on-a-list/
The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - Cliff Varnell - 10-11-2016
Cliff Varnell Wrote:Julian Assange, Vladimir Putin and James Comey rigged the 2016 election and I will never accept this scumbag as my Prez.
The Russians are openly bragging about their connection to Wikileaks.
Donald Trump is big on buses. Putin will fit nicely under one.
Emphasis added.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/putin-applauds-trump-win-and-hails-new-era-of-positive-ties-with-us?CMP=share_btn_tw
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Putin applauds Trump win and hails new era of positive ties with US
Sergei Markov, a pro-Kremlin political analyst, was jubilant at the result and said a Trump presidency would make it more likely the US would agree with Russia on Syria, where the two powers back different sides and Moscow has intervened decisively on behalf of the president, Bashar al-Assad.Markov also said it would mean less American backing for "the terroristic junta in Ukraine". He denied allegations of Russian interference in the election, but said "maybe we helped a bit with WikiLeaks."
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The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - Cliff Varnell - 10-11-2016
Cliff Varnell Wrote:Julian Assange, Vladimir Putin and James Comey rigged the 2016 election and I will never accept this scumbag as my Prez.
Odds of Donald Trump finishing his term: I'd call it even money at best.
Maybe the career bureaucrats at the Justice Department will get him indicted within the first year and force him out.
I think that's a good bet!
The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - Cliff Varnell - 20-11-2016
Cliff Varnell Wrote:[quote=Cliff Varnell]Julian Assange, Vladimir Putin and James Comey rigged the 2016 election and I will never accept this scumbag as my Prez.
The Russians are openly bragging about their connection to Wikileaks.
Donald Trump is big on buses. Putin will fit nicely under one.
Emphasis added.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/putin-applauds-trump-win-and-hails-new-era-of-positive-ties-with-us?CMP=share_btn_tw
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Putin applauds Trump win and hails new era of positive ties with US
Sergei Markov, a pro-Kremlin political analyst, was jubilant at the result and said a Trump presidency would make it more likely the US would agree with Russia on Syria, where the two powers back different sides and Moscow has intervened decisively on behalf of the president, Bashar al-Assad.
Markov also said it would mean less American backing for "the terroristic junta in Ukraine". He denied allegations of Russian interference in the election, but said "maybe we helped a bit with WikiLeaks."
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Do tell, Paul Krugman?
http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-krugman-fbi-putin-comey-2016-11