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The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - David Guyatt - 12-09-2014
Exaro's latest provides some insights into Fiona Woolf's appointment and suggests there is hope that this inquiry will be an honest one. Fingers crossed then. Hope for the best, but expect the worst. Interestingly, it looks like the appointment of Woolf's predecessor, the now resigned Butler-Sloss was made by Cameron (Downing Street). I guess Cameron ultimately gave way on the understanding that Woolf's report won't be made public before the next election.
The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - Magda Hassan - 13-09-2014
Tom might have confidence in Woolf but the victims certainly do not. They have confidence in Tom and are trying to discuss their issues with him. Not sure how things will pan out. Cameron was behind the Butler-Sloss nomination. Who is behind choosing this woman?
The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - David Guyatt - 14-09-2014
Magda Hassan Wrote:Tom might have confidence in Woolf but the victims certainly do not. They have confidence in Tom and are trying to discuss their issues with him. Not sure how things will pan out. Cameron was behind the Butler-Sloss nomination. Who is behind choosing this woman?
Allegedly it was Theresa May's choice, but who the fuck knows for certain. I'm still waiting for the arrests and almost 200 charges linked to politicians to take place that were delayed two weeks ago by the Bill so that the live televized police ransacking of Cliff Richard's home didn't damage their own media circus. I'm prepared t be patient for this to resurface obviously, as these sorts of delays do occur, as we know, and it's absolutely no ones fault. Let's face it, our beloved sleuthing Bill need all the media assistance and fanfare they can get -- and if that means not arresting and charging those guilty of child paedophilia, then that's only too understandable.
But perhaps I'm being naive and in the interim all charges have been dropped because everyone was found to be entirely innocent, visiting each other at their respective homes when they were said to be raping children.
The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - Magda Hassan - 14-09-2014
David Guyatt Wrote:But perhaps I'm being naive and in the interim all charges have been dropped because everyone was found to be entirely innocent, visiting each other at their respective homes when they were said to be raping children.
Pretty sure some of those home visits including raping children.
The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - David Guyatt - 15-09-2014
Magda Hassan Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:But perhaps I'm being naive and in the interim all charges have been dropped because everyone was found to be entirely innocent, visiting each other at their respective homes when they were said to be raping children.
Pretty sure some of those home visits including raping children.
The police are a joke. They're so twisted, corrupt and politicised nowadays, I have zero faith in them as an institution. Mickey Mouse has more authority for me these days.
The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - David Guyatt - 10-10-2014
Operation Fernbridge chief, DCI Paul Settle, has been forced to quit as pressure mounts on Met Police's investigation on paedophile politicians. Full story at Exaro News HERE.
The concluding part of the above article connects DCI Settle to the now disgraced Assistant Commissioner of the Met, John Yates, and the police investigation in to the axe murder of private investigator, Daniel Morgan, who it is suggested, may have been ready to blow the lid on the links between private investigators, corrupt police officers and reporters from the News of the World.
The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - Magda Hassan - 10-10-2014
David Guyatt Wrote:The concluding part of the above article connects DCI Settle to the now disgraced Assistant Commissioner of the Met, John Yates, and the police investigation in to the axe murder of private investigator, Daniel Morgan, who it is suggested, may have been ready to blow the lid on the links between private investigators, corrupt police officers and reporters from the News of the World.
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: ::flyingpig:::alberteinstein:::trenchcoatspy:: Mmmm....don't recall any of that being covered at the hacking trial...?
The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - Magda Hassan - 14-10-2014
Nice little intelligence sharing racket between the Catholic Church and the NSW police exposed in the ongoing Child Abuse Royal Commission. Neither encouraged victims to seek justice. Continue the cover up and business as usual.
Quote:http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/police-agreed-with-catholic-church-not-to-encourage-child-sex-abuse-victims-to-come-forward-inquiry-hears-20141014-115vzq.htmlPolice agreed with Catholic Church not to encourage child sex abuse victims to come forward, inquiry hears
Date October 14, 2014 - 3:41PM
Paul Bibby
Court Reporter
The NSW Police Force had an informal agreement with the Catholic Church not to encourage victims of child sexual abuse to come forward, particularly if they were reluctant to make a formal police statement, the Police Integrity Commission has heard.
The Police Integrity Commission is examining how the church and police have co-operated from the late 1990s until today in dealing with scores of abuse complaints against priests and other church employees.
It follows highly publicised allegations that the two bodies effectively conspired to cover-up child sex abuse.
The commission is focusing on the church's Professional Standards Office, and the Professional Standards Resource Group (PSRG) - a body made up of senior church members, police officers and other community members.
On Tuesday the commission heard that the church had a policy of not giving the name of abuse victims to police if they said they did not want to make a formal statement.
The commission heard that this policy - a breach of mandatory reporting laws - was condoned and even agreed to by police in the late 1990s.
"The police have agreed and kept to their agreement that they will not attempt to identify complainants or put any pressure on them to come forward," the former head of the PSRG, John Davoren, said in an internal memorandum read to the commission on Tuesday.
When asked about this memo, Mr Davoren denied that this was the practice.
"Did you reach such an agreement?" counsel assisting the commission Kristina Stern, SC, said.
"No, I have no memory of that agreement," Mr Davoren replied.
"I don't understand why I would have put that in the report."
However, the commission also heard that in the late 1990s the NSW Police Force and the church had formulated an unsigned draft Memorandum of Understanding in which they tentatively agreed that victims of abuse would be "advised" of their right to go to the police but not encouraged to do so or made aware of mandatory reporting obligations.
It also stated that "the police force will not institute proceedings against an alleged offender where the victim does not want this to occur".
Mr Davoren defended the church's practice of not disclosing the names of victims to police if those victims said they did not wish to make a police statement.
"Many people were reluctant to go to the police and if we indicated that they should and if we said at the beginning 'anything you say may be handed over to the police', some of them would have stood up and walked out," he said.
The hearing continues.
The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - David Guyatt - 14-10-2014
Magda Hassan Wrote:Nice little intelligence sharing racket between the Catholic Church and the NSW police exposed in the ongoing Child Abuse Royal Commission. Neither encouraged victims to seek justice. Continue the cover up and business as usual.
Quote:Police agreed with Catholic Church not to encourage child sex abuse victims to come forward, inquiry hearshttp://www.smh.com.au/nsw/police-agreed-with-catholic-church-not-to-encourage-child-sex-abuse-victims-to-come-forward-inquiry-hears-20141014-115vzq.html
Date October 14, 2014 - 3:41PM
Paul Bibby
Court Reporter
The NSW Police Force had an informal agreement with the Catholic Church not to encourage victims of child sexual abuse to come forward, particularly if they were reluctant to make a formal police statement, the Police Integrity Commission has heard.
The Police Integrity Commission is examining how the church and police have co-operated from the late 1990s until today in dealing with scores of abuse complaints against priests and other church employees.
It follows highly publicised allegations that the two bodies effectively conspired to cover-up child sex abuse.
The commission is focusing on the church's Professional Standards Office, and the Professional Standards Resource Group (PSRG) - a body made up of senior church members, police officers and other community members.
On Tuesday the commission heard that the church had a policy of not giving the name of abuse victims to police if they said they did not want to make a formal statement.
The commission heard that this policy - a breach of mandatory reporting laws - was condoned and even agreed to by police in the late 1990s.
"The police have agreed and kept to their agreement that they will not attempt to identify complainants or put any pressure on them to come forward," the former head of the PSRG, John Davoren, said in an internal memorandum read to the commission on Tuesday.
When asked about this memo, Mr Davoren denied that this was the practice.
"Did you reach such an agreement?" counsel assisting the commission Kristina Stern, SC, said.
"No, I have no memory of that agreement," Mr Davoren replied.
"I don't understand why I would have put that in the report."
However, the commission also heard that in the late 1990s the NSW Police Force and the church had formulated an unsigned draft Memorandum of Understanding in which they tentatively agreed that victims of abuse would be "advised" of their right to go to the police but not encouraged to do so or made aware of mandatory reporting obligations.
It also stated that "the police force will not institute proceedings against an alleged offender where the victim does not want this to occur".
Mr Davoren defended the church's practice of not disclosing the names of victims to police if those victims said they did not wish to make a police statement.
"Many people were reluctant to go to the police and if we indicated that they should and if we said at the beginning 'anything you say may be handed over to the police', some of them would have stood up and walked out," he said.
The hearing continues.
Is there any hint of Oz intelligence involvement in this - as in some of the UK stories - or is it simply the police scratching Catholic backs?
The Power of the Paedos - another high profile case hits the 'never happened' wall? - Magda Hassan - 14-10-2014
I've been looking for that but hard to tell at this stage. There is historically a strong element of Catholic networks in the NSW police force. The current PM Abbott is also a right wing Catholic fundamentalist who seems to be surrounded by some Opus Dei types in the Federal Police and party. I suspect he may be OD himself. He and several key people in his party are up to their necks in corruption but the Federal Police wont touch them. Yet they will act on far lesser matters even a pretext when it comes to the opposition party. Being a colonial backwater it was always the working class who were associated with the Catholic Church (Irish and Italians) and management who were the Protestants (English and Scottish) often appointed by the UK. Few Anglo Catholic families here. That culture has lived on until the last few decades. Intel was always closely connected to the UK motherland. But we are also honorary Americans now. And they were certainly involved here in Nugan Hand and the heroin and some human trafficking from Asia. Definitely paedophile rings and I'm looking for any thing beyond the criminal connections. Though they are bad enough. But its not like bigger supra-state criminals not to let an opportunity for exploitation to pass. They are here for other reasons, drugs, black money.