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The Fiasco of Spartacus - Jim DiEugenio - 19-06-2015
Greg is saying that its actually Oswald that Bogard saw?
And he is saying that Odio and her sister were wrong about Oswald or a double being at her doorstep?
Wow.
The Fiasco of Spartacus - Albert Doyle - 19-06-2015
Yes, he says it was actually Oswald and that he was trying out a Mercury Comet Caliente in order to buy a brand new expensive car - now get this, in order to take a driver's test. Yes, Greg is saying that straight-faced and saying everyone else got it wrong and is some kind of Oswald doppleganger nut. And Parker is also correcting Bogard and saying it happened on the 16th because Oswald was seen with Marina on the 9th. The problem is Bogard told the Commission he gave a rushed test drive because he was going out of town that day on the 9th. A coincidence that would make it very unlikely it was the 16th. This doesn't matter to Parker because once called on it he ignores you and enters a deliberately designed overload of sophist bullshit intended to mire you in his skeptic accusations. And then EF egos take his side in order to satisfy some kind of egotistical need to become arbiters. What kind of fools would side with such an obvious ass as Parker?
I haven't seen his Odio claim but I would guess it was equally as fruity and skeptical.
Parker also presents the FBI statements on Ralph Yates straight, verbatim, and without question, never once giving heed to the fact FBI was trying to crush Yates and bury his witnessing. That is like offering the Nazi official report on the Reichstag fire straight and without question. He also says the FBI report shows Yates initiated the conversation with the hitch-hiker, except when you go in and read it it says in clear writing that the hitch-hiker initiated the conversation.
He also says the Oswald Driver's License, closely examined by 6 Texas Public Safety & Highway Department employees, was an application in order to make it fit his nutty theory that Oswald was trying to get a Driver's License during the Bogard period.
I have to correct something I wrote. FBI would not have used this alleged application to prove it was Oswald doing the test drive because this Oswald told Bogard he intended to come into a lot of money and that doesn't fit the Lone Nut strategy FBI adopted.
The Fiasco of Spartacus - Albert Doyle - 19-06-2015
Vanessa Loney Wrote:Calling someone who can't post on here a 'liar'? Very classy, Brian, very classy.
How about you take that accusation over to EF and see how you go.
You're obviously a ROKC tar-pit troll unable to answer for your cult-leader's glaring gaffes. How about you answer it here?
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The Fiasco of Spartacus - Vanessa Loney - 19-06-2015
Albert Doyle Wrote:Vanessa Loney Wrote:Calling someone who can't post on here a 'liar'? Very classy, Brian, very classy.
How about you take that accusation over to EF and see how you go.
You're obviously a ROKC tar-pit troll unable to answer for your cult-leader's glaring gaffes.
Well which is it, Brian?
One minute you're accusing me of being a proxy troll sent here by GP to do his bidding and the next minute I'm a 'tar-pit' troll who won't answer for my leader.
I appeal to the mods - can't you step in here - I mean, what on earth is a 'tar-pit' troll? Please explain.
You still seem to be confused about your name Brian.
The Fiasco of Spartacus - Albert Doyle - 19-06-2015
Trolls who are dodging the substance shouldn't be allowed to lead the conversation. If you can't answer this you really don't have anything to say. You're dragging a wagon with no wheels:
What I don't get is why some very intelligent people don't realize Greg Parker is a bombastic nut with goofy arguments who is now ready to be blown over with a puff of breath after trying to honestly suggest that the 6 Texas Public Safety & Highway Department employees who clearly saw the Texas Driver's License with Oswald's name on it were all crazy Armstrong looney's who needed a brave skeptic, Greg Parker, to come in decades later and correct them and tell them what they saw with his obviously nutty contrivances. Why do they let him get away with that??? Greg protests "Balderdash!" but then proceeds to not really make any attempt to answer the question. After he is done with his huff and puff and bluster you realize he made no attempt to answer that Bogard had a firm memory of going out of town on the 9th and rushed his test drive because of it. Most researchers would heed this and fear challenging its obvious veracity, but, no, not Greg Parker who has a Fetzer-like relationship with reality and will bloviate his way around it. Always winning, by means of the cheap trick of skepticism - a intellectual form that requires much less valid input to practice than Armstrong's brave investigation - no matter how badly he is obviously losing on facts and arguments. A form wedged by crude ROKC abuse and trolling. Parker tries to get away with ignoring that out in the Kennedy assassination universe there are Oswald's driving cars into garages, driving all around Alice, Texas with prop wives, and driving away from TF White in a panic. Being a credible researcher Armstrong responsibly went out and tried to account for these obvious eccentric Oswalds. Parker, who employs a less honest and cheaper approach, noticeably stays away from these Oswald's because he knows they threaten his agenda. He shares a common methodology with Vincent Bugliosi. So what Greg needs to come clean with is exactly where the border between those driving Oswald's and his crank theory lies? In the end the pathetic thing about Greg Parker is once you apply his own standard to him he fails it much worse than Armstrong, once you deny him his bully bullshit.
Vanessa: What is your point? That you don't mind that Greg is lying about the Driver's License?
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The Fiasco of Spartacus - Vanessa Loney - 19-06-2015
Albert Doyle Wrote:Yes, he says it was actually Oswald and that he was trying out a Mercury Comet Caliente in order to buy a brand new expensive car - now get this, in order to take a driver's test. Yes, Greg is saying that straight-faced and saying everyone else got it wrong and is some kind of Oswald doppleganger nut. And Parker is also correcting Bogard and saying it happened on the 16th because Oswald was seen with Marina on the 9th. The problem is Bogard told the Commission he gave a rushed test drive because he was going out of town that day on the 9th. A coincidence that would make it very unlikely it was the 16th. This doesn't matter to Parker because once called on it he ignores you and enters a deliberately designed overload of sophist bullshit intended to mire you in his skeptic accusations. And then EF egos take his side in order to satisfy some kind of egotistical need to become arbiters. What kind of fools would side with such an obvious ass as Parker?
I haven't seen his Odio claim but I would guess it was equally as fruity and skeptical.
Parker also presents the FBI statements on Ralph Yates straight, verbatim, and without question, never once giving heed to the fact FBI was trying to crush Yates and bury his witnessing. That is like offering the Nazi official report on the Reichstag fire straight and without question. He also says the FBI report shows Yates initiated the conversation with the hitch-hiker, except when you go in and read it it says in clear writing that the hitch-hiker initiated the conversation.
He also says the Oswald Driver's License, closely examined by 6 Texas Public Safety & Highway Department employees, was an application in order to make it fit his nutty theory that Oswald was trying to get a Driver's License during the Bogard period.
I have to correct something I wrote. FBI would not have used this alleged application to prove it was Oswald doing the test drive because this Oswald told Bogard he intended to come into a lot of money and that doesn't fit the Lone Nut strategy FBI adopted.
Brian and Jim
I have to say I find it passing strange that you are discussing what someone else said about GP's theories on here when you can easily go over to EF and discuss it with him on there.
Don Jeffries has invited you to do so. The moderators are very reasonable (despite what Don said) and Kathy Beckett is an all round sweety-pie.
So it's win-win really.
And then we all get the benefit of a fair, informed, rounded debate.
Although you might have to improve your manners if you're going to post on EF. They wouldn't tolerate some of your more snarky comments.
The Fiasco of Spartacus - Albert Doyle - 19-06-2015
Being busted, Parker now says the Driver's License could have existed at the Public Safety & Highway Department and was being held in ready to be sent out. 1) That's not how they did it. I assume like all bureaucracies TPS&H didn't print any licenses until the applicant passed his test. 2) Parker stumbles and forgets the license those employees witnessed was worn and stained as if it was held in a wallet. 3) The bogus Oswald's obviously had to have licenses much earlier than the Bogard period. Great exhibit of your self-proclaimed skills Greg! Please we anxiously await your next load of bullshit to explain it.
The Fiasco of Spartacus - Vanessa Loney - 19-06-2015
Albert Doyle Wrote:Trolls who are dodging the substance shouldn't be allowed to lead the conversation. If you can't answer this you really don't have anything to say. You're dragging a wagon with no wheels:
What I don't get is why some very intelligent people don't realize Greg Parker is a bombastic nut with goofy arguments who is now ready to be blown over with a puff of breath after trying to honestly suggest that the 6 Texas Public Safety & Highway Department employees who clearly saw the Texas Driver's License with Oswald's name on it were all crazy Armstrong looney's who needed a brave skeptic, Greg Parker, to come in decades later and correct them and tell them what they saw with his obviously nutty contrivances. Why do they let him get away with that??? Greg protests "Balderdash!" but then proceeds to not really make any attempt to answer the question. After he is done with his huff and puff and bluster you realize he made no attempt to answer that Bogard had a firm memory of going out of town on the 9th and rushed his test drive because of it. Most researchers would heed this and fear challenging its obvious veracity, but, no, not Greg Parker who has a Fetzer-like relationship with reality and will bloviate his way around it. Always winning, by means of the cheap trick of skepticism - a intellectual form that requires much less valid input to practice than Armstrong's brave investigation - no matter how badly he is obviously losing on facts and arguments. A form wedged by cheap ROKC abuse and trolling. Parker tries to get away with ignoring that out in the Kennedy assassination universe there are Oswald's driving cars into garages, driving all around Alice, Texas with prop wives, and driving away from TF White in a panic. Being a credible researcher Armstrong responsibly went out and tried to account for these obvious eccentric Oswalds. Parker, who employs a less honest and cheaper approach, noticeably stays away from these Oswald's because he knows they threaten his agenda. He shares a common methodology with Vincent Bugliosi. So what Greg needs to come clean with is exactly where the border between those driving Oswald's and his crank theory lies? In the end the pathetic thing about Greg Parker is once you apply his own standard to him he fails it much worse than Armstrong, once you deny him his bully bullshit.
Vanessa: What is your point? That you don't mind that Greg is lying about the Driver's License?
Hello Brian
My point is threefold. 1. This thread is for the discussion of the 'fiasco' of EF not for GP's theories on H&L;
2. if you want to discuss GP's theories on anything why don't you go over to EF and discuss it with him there?; and
3. the best way to resolve this sniping between sites on the JA and GP debate is for them to have a proper debate on BOR.
And really, can you keep your insults consistent because I'm having trouble following what you are accusing me of. I don't know whether I'm Arthur or Martha on here.
The Fiasco of Spartacus - Michael Barwell - 19-06-2015
The Fiasco of Spartacus - Bart Kamp - 19-06-2015
THAT is a nice bag!