Alan Ford Wrote:On the move, with Dallas Deputy Sheriff John Wiseman (I've taken the liberty of inserting time/timing elements for each stage of his actions. They aren't slanted to favor an outcome as much as produce a reasonable element of time given his words & actions until he reaches the LOCKED roof. For now, let's just take his full statement in its entirety ---->

COUNTY OF DALLAS
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
SUPPLEMENTARY INVESTIGATION REPORT

Name of Compainant
Assassination Of President Kennedy
Offense

John Wiseman, Deputy Sheriff, Dallas County Sheriff's Department.
Date Nov 23, 1963

I was standing in front of the Sheriff's Office at 505 Main Street, Dallas when the President passed and the car went around the corner and a few more cars had passed when I heard a shot and I knew something had happened. I ran at once to the corner of Houston and Main Street and out into the street when the second and third shots ran out. I ran on across Houston Street, then across the park to where a policeman was having trouble with his motorcycle and I saw a man laying on the grass. This man laying on the grass said the shots came from the building and he was pointing to the old Sexton Building. I talked to Marilyn Sitzman, 202 S. Lancaster who said her boss, Abraham Zaprutes, RI 8 6071, had movies of the shooting. She said the shots came from that way and she pointed at the old Sexton Building. I ran at once to the Sexton Building and went in. I askes some woman how many doors lead out of the building and she said 4. I left the building and found some DPD patrolmen and we came back to the building. I ran up the stairs and the patrolman started trying to get more help to search the building. I went up the stairs to the 7th floor and started up into the attic and noticed that the door to the roof was locked on the inside with a gate type hook latch. I stopped and started back down the stairs taking a quick look on each floor. I met more officers on the 2nd floor and then in a few minutes the place had maybe 50 officers in it. A better search was started floor by floor. About the time we got started on the 5th floor, Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney found some spent hulls. An officer of the Dallas Police Department told us all to get on one side of the room and make one clean sweep of the entire floor to see if we could find the rifle. As we worked our way across the room which was filled with boxes, we got to the front stairway when Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boon said, "here is the gun". It was about 4 feet in front of me in the aisle in which I was working. Deputy Boone stayed at one end of the aisle where the gun was spotted and I stayed at the other end of the aisle so that nothing would be touched. Officer Day of the DPD Crime Lab came and took pictures of the gun in its hiding spot behind the boxes and then moved it from this spot. I then left the building and came back to the Sheriff's Office to talk with witnesses. A Mrs. Mary Moorman was in the office with a picture of the President getting shot.

Okay, now I'll share his statement while also interjecting time elements to demonstrate that he found the LOCKED roof locked way before the lying tandem could have ever come down from it, IF they were really upon it in the first place. Whether they stayed, quote, "Over 5 minutes", or even longer amid Roy Truly's revised lie about an extended stay, quote, "time delay and back", the honest Dallas Deputy-Sheriff should not have found the roof LOCKED IF they really were up there.

On the move, with Dallas Deputy Sheriff John Wiseman. Let's begin ---->

COUNTY OF DALLAS
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
SUPPLEMENTARY INVESTIGATION REPORT

Name of Compainant
Assassination Of President Kennedy
Offense

John Wiseman, Deputy Sheriff, Dallas County Sheriff's Department.
Date Nov 23, 1963

I was standing in front of the Sheriff's Office at 505 Main Street, Dallas when the President passed and the car went around the corner and a few more cars had passed when I heard a shot and I knew something had happened. I ran at once to the corner of Houston and Main Street and out into the street when the second and third shots ran out.

So, far no more than 10 seconds have elapsed, and at this point in time even Marrion Bakerper his own testimonyis still riding his motorcycle on Houston about 60 feet shy of the corner of Houston & Elm.

I ran on across Houston Street, then across the park to where a policeman was having trouble with his motorcycle and I saw a man laying on the grass. This man laying on the grass said the shots came from the building and he was pointing to the old Sexton Building.

At this point, a racing/sprinting Wiseman (John) has already crossed Elm Street onto the other side of the park, now on the knoll 15-20 yards shy of Marilyn Stizman's position atop the knoll. Marrion Baker--not to be confused w/the motorcycle officer near Mr. Wiseman-- has parked his own motorcycle by now and is on foot, sprinting towards the sidewalk near the TSBD. Though he and Roy Truly claim they went up the entrance stairs and entered the TSBD together, not a single photo-amid all of the camera bulbs flashing that afternoonconfirm this, nor does the testimony of two honest people (Buell Wesley Frazier and Joe Molina) standing at the entrance door, but I'll give the lying tandem a free pass here as we continue along our timeline.

I talked to Marilyn Sitzman, 202 S. Lancaster who said her boss, Abraham Zaprutes, RI 8 6071, had movies of the shooting. She said the shots came from that way and she pointed at the old Sexton Building. I ran at once to the Sexton Building

Taking into account his conversation with Marilyn Stizman in her position in close proximity to the building, he consumes 35-40 seconds. At this point in time, Roy Truly & Marrion Baker, now having made their readjustmentsafter bumping into each other at the swinging door contraption near the entrance areaper their own testimonythe tandem are now at a, quoting Marrion Baker here ---->

Mr. BAKER - We finally backed up and got through that little swinging door there and we kind of all ran, not real fast but, you know, a good trot, to the back of the Building

picking up again w/Mr. Wiseman ---->

and went in. I askes some woman how many doors lead out of the building and she said 4.

After asking either Sandra Styles or Victoria Elizabeth Adams this (take your pick because per Adams' testimony they are the only women in that time sequence to be able to encounter Mr. Wiseman) in that particular position.

I left the building and found some DPD patrolmen… and we came back to the building.

Lucky for Mr. Wiseman, DPD patrolman Welcome Barnett (see his testimony) was near that location in the same time frame. At this point, since he is unaware of what's happening inside the building, Mr. Wiseman does not see the lying tandem calling up for an elevator, nor does he see them abandon their wait for an elevator moments later, and decide to take the stairs instead...spend 30 seconds with the wrongly accused in the lunchroom, or so they say, then retrace their steps back across the floor to the stairs to climb several more floors before hopping the East elevator to the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Floor, then teleporting themselves through an otherwise LOCKED roof (they are lying again but, Oh, well, I'll give them another free pass here as well to make even the Serpent in the Garden of Eden blush).

Now, Returning to Mr. Wiseman

and we came back to the building

then, per his own testimony, DPD's Welcome Barnett shares that he makes the choice to return to the front of the building…

simultaneously , now picking back up w/Mr. Wiseman ---->

I ran up the stairs and the patrolman started trying to get more help to search the building. I went up the stairs to the 7th floor and started up into the attic and noticed that the door to the roof was locked on the inside with a gate type hook latch. I stopped and started back down the stairs taking a quick look on each floor.

We'll end here at the LOCKED roof. Again, whether the lying tandem stayed upon the roof for, quote, "Over 5 minutes, or even longer amid Roy Truly's newly revised lie @ time delay and back, somebody's lying and it is not the wrongly accused (Mr. Lee Oswald).

Now, What did you really do that afternoon, Roy Truly ? ----->

Mr. BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.

Pleading the 5th?

Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.

Alan Ford Wrote:A fair challenge here, Mr. Trotter, IF you feel strongly enough about introducing the notion of a stop-watch into this debate, perhaps you can demonstrate for those reading along here a definitive timeline as oppose to generic references to a stop-watch. I await your decision, indecision, or outright refusal. It's your choice.

As we await your definitive stop-watch timeline, hopefully--in fairness & truth-- it begins with Baker's motorcycle 60-90 feet away from the corner of Elm & Houston, and ends at the precise time your stop-watch puts them on the scene of their initial engagement of the locked roof.

Then perhaps you can explain how Roy Truly uses his trusty key to that lock, and somehow was able to re-lock the same while on the other side :hock::

explaining Why, and How, he took such an action would be just as interesting, care to humour us?

I caution you though, that IF you do decide to share irrefutable stop-watch specifics here, don't forget I still have in reserve five (5) others who found the roof also inaccessible. Three (3) of them, as was the case w/Dallas Deputy Sheriff John "An Honest To Goodness Lawman" Wiseman, was also right on the heels of the tall-tale tandem. Hint. One of them even experienced a power outage when riding a freight elevator, which places him even closer to the unfolding action. The other Two (2) --not necessarily on the heels but w/pertinent information regarding the LOCKED roof--will add an exclamation point upon the LOCKED roof as well.

Just so we are clear here, I personally don't believe any stop-watches ultilied, err, utilized by the WC in order to hone in on establishing the "truth" of a hastily contrived script concocted to frame an innocent party; however, though I'm adopting a Missouri (The Show Me State attitude), go ahead, make your stop-watch case. Will it stand the test of time?

While we await your decision to introduce the irrefutable evidence of your stop-watch, Am just wondering aloud why Roy Truly was over in the sniper's nest before the authorities ---->

Mr. BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.

Chris Davidson Wrote:A better representation of Baker's time from third shot response to the TSBD curb can be attained by a few film syncs.

The time it takes for Wiegman panning back to the TSBD after the head shot, until the Hester sync = 21seconds.


Bell films Wiegman filming the Hesters. The sync point between Bell and Wiegman is Hester stepping up onto the Colonade.


Bell continuously films afterwards for 1.3 seconds and picks up Wiegman starting to rise for his run down the knoll.


Gerda's dual-sync of Couch/Darnell shows both Wiegman and Baker in there respective runs.


There is 3.5 seconds of missing footage from the Wiegman sequence.


Take those 3.5 seconds and apply that to Wiegman after we see him start to rise in Bell and to
Baker before we see him in Gerda's dual-sync.


Baker's run to the curb equals 4 seconds.


This total = approx 29.8 seconds.

Chris Davidson Wrote:A better representation of Baker's time from third shot response to the TSBD curb can be attained by a few film syncs.

The time it takes for Wiegman panning back to the TSBD after the head shot, until the Hester sync = 21seconds.


Bell films Wiegman filming the Hesters. The sync point between Bell and Wiegman is Hester stepping up onto the Colonade.


Bell continuously films afterwards for 1.3 seconds and picks up Wiegman starting to rise for his run down the knoll.


Gerda's dual-sync of Couch/Darnell shows both Wiegman and Baker in there respective runs.


There is 3.5 seconds of missing footage from the Wiegman sequence.


Take those 3.5 seconds and apply that to Wiegman after we see him start to rise in Bell and to
Baker before we see him in Gerda's dual-sync.


Baker's run to the curb equals 4 seconds.


This total = approx 29.8 seconds.