Magda Hassan Wrote:Most diaspora Jews I know would be the last people on earth to help Mossad.

Mark Stapleton Wrote:

Magda Hassan Wrote:Most diaspora Jews I know would be the last people on earth to help Mossad.

Nevertheless, Mossad obviously recieves plenty of assistance from the diaspora. Their success in these covert ops proves they have a formidable network of helpers.

This one's really blown up in their faces.

Mark Stapleton Wrote:

Magda Hassan Wrote:Most diaspora Jews I know would be the last people on earth to help Mossad.

Nevertheless, Mossad obviously recieves plenty of assistance from the diaspora. Their success in these covert ops proves they have a formidable network of helpers.

This one's really blown up in their faces.

Magda Hassan Wrote:

Mark Stapleton Wrote:

Magda Hassan Wrote:Most diaspora Jews I know would be the last people on earth to help Mossad.

Nevertheless, Mossad obviously recieves plenty of assistance from the diaspora. Their success in these covert ops proves they have a formidable network of helpers.

This one's really blown up in their faces.

This is true of course. But its not universal any more than all Catholics would help the Vatican intelligence.

Quote:The list of kidon assassinations is long and stretches far beyond the Arab world. In their base deep in the Negev Desert – the sand broken only by a distant view of Israel's nuclear facility at Dimona – the kidon practise with a variety of handguns, learn how to conceal bombs, administer a lethal injection in a crowd and make a killing look accidental.

They review famous assassinations – the shooting of John F Kennedy, for example – and study the faces and habits of potential targets whose details are stored on their highly restricted computers. There, too, are thousands of constantly updated street plans downloaded from Google Earth.

Mossad is one of the world's smallest intelligence services. But it has a back-up system no other outfit can match. The system is known as sayanim, a derivative of the Hebrew word lesayeah, meaning to help.

There are tens of thousands of these "helpers". Each has been carefully recruited, sometimes by katsas, Mossad's field agents. Others have been asked to become helpers by other members of the secret group.

Created by Meir Amit, the role of the sayanim is a striking example of the cohesiveness of the world Jewish community. In practical terms, a sayan who runs a car rental agency will provide a kidon with a vehicle on a no-questions basis. An estate agent sayan will provide a building for surveillance. A bank manager sayan will provide funds at any time of day or night, and a sayan doctor provides medical assistance.

Any of these helpers could have been involved in the assassination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. Mossad has recently expanded its network of sayanim into Arab countries.

A sayan doctor in the West Bank provided details of the homoeopathic concoction Yasser Arafat used to drink. When he died in 2004, his personal physician, Dr al-Kurdi, said "poisoning is a strong possibility in this case".There have been reports that more than a dozen terrorists have died from poisoning in the past five years,.

Within the global intelligence community, respect for Mossad grew following the kidon assassination of Dr Gerald Bull, the Canadian scientist who was probably the world's greatest expert on gun-barrel ballistics. Israel had made several attempts to buy his expertise. Each time, Bull had made clear his dislike for the Jewish state.

Instead he had offered his services to Saddam Hussein, to build a super-gun capable of launching shells containing nuclear, chemical or biological warheads directly from Iraq into Israel. Saddam had ordered three of the weapons at a cost of $20 million. Bull was retained as a consultant for a fee of $1 million.

On the afternoon of March 20, 1990, the sanction to kill Bull was given by the then prime minister, Yitzhak Shamir. Nahum Admoni, the head of Mossad, sent a three-man team to Brussels, where Bull lived in a luxury apartment block. Each kidon carried a handgun in a holster under his jacket.

When the 61-year-old Bull answered the doorbell of his home, he was shot five times in the head and the neck, each kidon firing their 7.65 pistol in turn, leaving Bull dead on his doorstep. An hour later they were out of the country on a flight to Tel Aviv.

Within hours, Mossad's own department of psychological warfare had arranged with sayanim in the European media to leak stories that Bull had been shot by Saddam's hit squad because he had planned to renege on their deal.

Quote:Within the global intelligence community, respect for Mossad grew following the kidon assassination of Dr Gerald Bull, the Canadian scientist who was probably the world's greatest expert on gun-barrel ballistics. Israel had made several attempts to buy his expertise. Each time, Bull had made clear his dislike for the Jewish state.

Instead he had offered his services to Saddam Hussein, to build a super-gun capable of launching shells containing nuclear, chemical or biological warheads directly from Iraq into Israel. Saddam had ordered three of the weapons at a cost of $20 million. Bull was retained as a consultant for a fee of $1 million.

On the afternoon of March 20, 1990, the sanction to kill Bull was given by the then prime minister, Yitzhak Shamir. Nahum Admoni, the head of Mossad, sent a three-man team to Brussels, where Bull lived in a luxury apartment block. Each kidon carried a handgun in a holster under his jacket.

When the 61-year-old Bull answered the doorbell of his home, he was shot five times in the head and the neck, each kidon firing their 7.65 pistol in turn, leaving Bull dead on his doorstep. An hour later they were out of the country on a flight to Tel Aviv.

Within hours, Mossad's own department of psychological warfare had arranged with sayanim in the European media to leak stories that Bull had been shot by Saddam's hit squad because he had planned to renege on their deal.

Magda Hassan Wrote:

Mark Stapleton Wrote:

Magda Hassan Wrote:Most diaspora Jews I know would be the last people on earth to help Mossad.

Nevertheless, Mossad obviously recieves plenty of assistance from the diaspora. Their success in these covert ops proves they have a formidable network of helpers.

This one's really blown up in their faces.

This is true of course. But its not universal any more than all Catholics would help the Vatican intelligence.

Peter Presland Wrote:There's at least one part of that Global Research article by Gordon Thomas (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=17713)and referenced by Mark in the previous post that supports Austin's original point about Thomas's reliability. It concerns the assassination of Gerald Bull:

Quote:Within the global intelligence community, respect for Mossad grew following the kidon assassination of Dr Gerald Bull, the Canadian scientist who was probably the world's greatest expert on gun-barrel ballistics. Israel had made several attempts to buy his expertise. Each time, Bull had made clear his dislike for the Jewish state.

Instead he had offered his services to Saddam Hussein, to build a super-gun capable of launching shells containing nuclear, chemical or biological warheads directly from Iraq into Israel. Saddam had ordered three of the weapons at a cost of $20 million. Bull was retained as a consultant for a fee of $1 million.

On the afternoon of March 20, 1990, the sanction to kill Bull was given by the then prime minister, Yitzhak Shamir. Nahum Admoni, the head of Mossad, sent a three-man team to Brussels, where Bull lived in a luxury apartment block. Each kidon carried a handgun in a holster under his jacket.

When the 61-year-old Bull answered the doorbell of his home, he was shot five times in the head and the neck, each kidon firing their 7.65 pistol in turn, leaving Bull dead on his doorstep. An hour later they were out of the country on a flight to Tel Aviv.

Within hours, Mossad's own department of psychological warfare had arranged with sayanim in the European media to leak stories that Bull had been shot by Saddam's hit squad because he had planned to renege on their deal.

The BIG problem with all that is that it is presented as the definitive version of what happened, whereas it is far from certain that Mossad were the prime movers - or even the trigger men.

Magda's thread about Stephan Koch here suggests a plausible alternative. I was so intrigued by that thread that I bought a copy of Gerald James's book 'In the Public Interest' and have just finished reading it. James became deeply enmeshed in events leading to the 'Arms to Iraq' scandal through the mid-late eighties and early nineties. He was the Chairman of Astra Holdings throughout and knew Gerald Bull personally. Bull's was not the only assassination with deep connections to UK involvement in that arms trade. Belgian 'Minister of State' Andre Cools and investigative reporter Jonathan Moyle were two other obvious ones and there were several other highly suspicious, premature unexplained deaths. More on Moyle in another of Magda's threads here

In short MI6, the eyes, ears, facilitators and enforcers of UK Deep State interests were undoubtedly relieved at the early demise of all those players and were as well placed as any organisation to ensure they occurred.

So, contrary to Gordon Thomas's dogmatic version, there are other possibilities with more substantial motive and capability which he does not even mention. Hmmmm.