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Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Helen Reyes - 13-04-2010
News here is saying the dispatcher at Smolensk said the plane only made one, unsuccessful, approach and did not have permission to land.
Here's a rough translation fwiw, no attribution for now except Komsomolskaya Pravda, sorry for the spelling errors:
Quote:Dispatchers say Polish president's plane tried to land without permission
The pilot of Polish president Lech Kaczynski's plane only tried once to land without permission of the North Airport dispatchers.
"The crew began to land without permission. They were preparing to land without permission. There was nothing the director could do," a dispatcher told Komsomolskaya Pravda who was handling the landing of the Polish president's plane.
Anatoli Muravyov said the director of the dispatchers' group gave instructions to the pilot to fly a secondary circle [holding pattern?] three times.
"The crew didn't listen to him. Dispatchers warned them visibility was poor and they needed to prepare to fly to the secondary airport," Muravyov said.
He added that the airplane crew, ignoring existing standards, did not provide information about their situation or their manoeuvres. Muravyav thought the reason for the radio silence was a language barrier.
"The director in charge of flights in the group even said, 'Understanding between us and the crew was fifty-fifty. The dispatcher spoke with the pilot in Russian, whom others helped, speaking English words. And it was hard to understand whether the pilot understood what was being said to him. The language barrier hindered understanding. I think this could have resulted in the flight's end. Well, of course also, the circumstances of the landing," the dispatcher said.
He thought that these circumstances included "weather conditions, a possible mistake by the crew, loss of altitude control and the pilot's aspiration to land the plane namely then and there.
"It seems to me that his goal was caused by the fact that there were such high-ranking people on the plane. It was namely this goal which killed our crews [?] and the people themselves. There was a circumstance when Kaczynski fired a crew for pointing an airplane at a secondary airport," Muravyov said.
"WE landed two more craft before the president's plane. The first to land was a YaK-40, it landed successfully, without incident. The second to land was an Il-76, but the runway was not sufficiently visible, and the crew decided to fly to the secondary airport. I asked Moscow at which airport he was to land. The airplane landed successfully at Vnukov," the dispatcher said.
Meanwhile the Polish press reported that pilot Arkadiusz Protasiuk, the pilot of the Tu-154 which crashed in Smolensk April 10, spoke Russian well and he was well acquainted with the North Airport in Smolensk where he tried to land the Polish president's plane.
This was reported on the website of Gazeta Wyborcza based on information from the pilot's colleagues and friends.
Gazeta Wyborcza noted that this report was a reply to the report from the Smolensk dispatcher published in some Russian media that the pilot didn't understand Russian.
Colonel Bartosz Stroinski, a Tu-154 pilot, rejected the report that captain Protasiuk did not know Russian well enough.
The colonel said he had flown together with late pilot to Smolensk three days before the catastrophe when Polish prime minister flew there.
"Arek knew Russian perfectly. He corresponded perfectly in Polish, Russian and English. There was nothing of note when we flew there April 7," Stroinski told reporters.
Assistant head of the battalion Grzegorz Kulakowski noted Protasiuk met all the requirements to fly to Smolensk with the Polish president on April 10.
"This airport was familiar to captain Protasiuk, and he was prepared for this flight. APril 7 he performed the flight with the honorable prime minister," Kulakowski said.
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Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Jan Klimkowski - 13-04-2010
I'm being bombarded by MSM reports of, to paraphrase, a historic reconciliation between Poland and Russia because of this tragedy near Katyn, symbolized by Putin and Tusk's emotional hug.
I call bullshit.
Gull guano.
Psyop.
The reptilian Putin and the sinister Tusk embracing is about as meaningful and convincing as Tony Blair and Gordon Brown sharing an icecream in front of the cameras.
Some deep, still invisible, geopolitical agenda and back channel deal is being played out between Poland's American-backed politicians and the KGB's Putin. :ridinghorse:
Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Paul Rigby - 13-04-2010
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Some deep, still invisible, geopolitical agenda and back channel deal is being played out between Poland's American-backed politicians and the KGB's Putin. :ridinghorse:
Confluence: the deep political convergence of unaccountable powers in pursuit of unarticulated ends. It will see off Putin just as it saw off Beria in 1953. The undeclared goal is, I have no doubt, the weaning away of Russia from China.
Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Helen Reyes - 13-04-2010
The coverage here, too, is over-the-top, like CNN reporting on Michael Jackson's death for eight weeks running. I smell a rat.
Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Jan Klimkowski - 13-04-2010
Helen Reyes Wrote:The coverage here, too, is over-the-top, like CNN reporting on Michael Jackson's death for eight weeks running. I smell a rat.
In addition, Kaczynski was highly expendable: the Germans hated him, the Russians hated him, New Labour would routinely taunt the Tories for his views on homosexuality and the alleged anti-semitism of some in his party etc.
The moist eyes of European politicians are the crocodile tears of ham actor politicians.
Meanwhile, the Polish politicians who are owned by the Americans, rather than being sympathetic to America, are the likes of Donald Tusk and Radek Sikorski.
A couple of significant moves have just been made on the Grand Chessboard.
Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Helen Reyes - 14-04-2010
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Helen Reyes Wrote:The coverage here, too, is over-the-top, like CNN reporting on Michael Jackson's death for eight weeks running. I smell a rat.
In addition, Kaczynski was highly expendable: the Germans hated him, the Russians hated him, New Labour would routinely taunt the Tories for his views on homosexuality and the alleged anti-semitism of some in his party etc.
The moist eyes of European politicians are the crocodile tears of ham actor politicians.
Meanwhile, the Polish politicians who are owned by the Americans, rather than being sympathetic to America, are the likes of Donald Tusk and Radek Sikorski.
A couple of significant moves have just been made on the Grand Chessboard.
Binyamin Netanyahu called him a great friend of Israel. Did the Kaczynskis come too close to emulating the postures of Czech's Klaus? The pre-election debate in the UK about Polish/Baltic neo-fascism seemed to center on the Euro-parliament, not Kaczynski, with Cameron taking hits for being in league with Latvian Waffen SS veterans and supporters. Sikorski allegedly petitioned for Roman Polanski's release in a quiet diplomatic way, or at least his American journalist wife was accused of furthering that alleged program of his. If Roman Polanski hurt Tony Blair's chances of becoming EU president, and presumably Ghost-Writer is also about Gordon Brown, then is Sikorski lending secret support to Cameron, despite his hopping parties to join the fake leftist Trusk? How does Kaczynski get painted with the same brush of anti-Semitism as do Polish apologists for the Holocaust in the Euro-parliament, when Kaczynski was a booster for projects to commemorate the Jewish heritage in Poland? And if it's this twisted and convoluted, is it possible Kaczynski was targeted by Third-Reich-in-exile types, as described by Ferrell and Mars? Or does "Third Reich in Exile" really just mean Bilderberg?
Just thinking out loud.
Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Carsten Wiethoff - 14-04-2010
On March 13, 2010 Georgian Imedi TV screened a fictional "documentary", in which Kaczynski died from a bomb on board of his plane.
From http://www.gruzianews.ru/en/3339.html
Georgian television station Imedi “bury” the President of Poland
Georgian private television station Imedi in the ill-fated reportage about “Russia’s aggression” also reported “death” Polish President Lech Kaczynski. As the Polish TVN24 with reference to the head of the Georgian diaspora in Poland David Gamtsemlidze, in Saturday’s half-hour film, which reported that “Russia attacking Georgia,” and “death of President Mikheil Saakashvili, and said that as a result of bombing killed and Lech Kaczynski. According to the TV, blow up the plane, in which he allegedly flew to the aid of Georgia.
“This has caused unprecedented panic. Many people have problems with the heart” - said about the effect of the film Gamtsemidze. Polish TV does not exclude that the preparation of the film are the Georgian authorities. In May, the first held in Georgia after the August war elections of local self-government. Their result, according to the source, will answer to the question: who are trusted to citizens, and to whom throw the responsibility for the tragic consequences of war with Russia in 2008. “The journalists of Imedi, it seems, like to warn that the Russian are going to escalate tension in connection with the election, as part of the opposition appealed to Russia for help,” - says the analyst of the Center for Eastern Studies in Warsaw, Krzysztof Strachota.
Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Paul Rigby - 14-04-2010
Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:On March 13, 2010 Georgian Imedi TV screened a fictional "documentary", in which Kaczynski died from a bomb on board of his plane.
Fascinating. So the incident has its own "fictive referent" (aka proleptic red-herring), courtesy of a CIA front?
Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Carsten Wiethoff - 14-04-2010
Paul, can you elaborate on "CIA front"? In the reports I read in German MSM, the TV station is said to be under control of Saakashvili.
Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Magda Hassan - 14-04-2010
Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Paul, can you elaborate on "CIA front"? In the reports I read in German MSM, the TV station is said to be under control of Saakashvili.Exactly! Saakashvili is a fully authorised franchisee of the US and Company.