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The LBJ-Did-It Operation Continues to Unfold - Magda Hassan - 06-06-2011
And then there's Sept 11th 2001...
The LBJ-Did-It Operation Continues to Unfold - Seamus Coogan - 06-06-2011
Magda Hassan Wrote:And then there's Sept 11th 2001...
Maybe we should redirect this conversation to another thread. It's moving away from discussing the LBJ did it synopsis which is a very valid discussion. In it's sheer level's of bogusness. What struck myself when I began looking into Hankey is that numerous people haven't moved on from the 80's when there was speculation about a lot of stuff.
The Johnson angle seem's to have stuck around in publishing groups with commercial incentives to keep that line going or feed their audience. Joseph Farrell is a case in point.
The LBJ-Did-It Operation Continues to Unfold - Mark Stapleton - 06-06-2011
Seamus Coogan Wrote:Mark Stapleton Wrote:Of course LBJ 'didn't do it'.
LBJ was the ideal vehicle for those who 'did it'. He represented a once in a lifetime historical opportunity. That's why the coverup persists 38 plus years after he died. Those who 'did it' have maintained the coverup because they control the mainstream discourse.
Even to the uninterested observer, a brief glance at LBJ's career reveals who he answered to:
1. Operation Texas in the late 1930's (one of his few honourable acts).
2. Potentially career threatening advocacy of Israel's occupation of the Sinai during the Suez crisis in 1956/57, including a personal rebuke of President Eisenhower's position on the crisis.
3. His 'council of wise men' (Zionist ideologues).
4. Coverup of Israel'sl attack on the USS Liberty in 1967.
5. Overseeing the consolidation of Israel to regional nuclear armed superpower.
Israel killed JFK and Jack Ruby's rabid Zionist loyalies is proof beyond reasonable doubt.
Israel, and only Israel, tangibly benefitted from JFK's death.
America's failure to face this fact has led it into its current disastrous political, social and economic disaster. You can't see it because you are a nation totally enslaved. You've been hypnotised.
I reckon JFK would agree with me.
This is where it really pays to be careful.
I think the whole Israeli-Jews killed Kennedy stuff is extremely borderline.
I personally don't buy it either. Because the evidence IMO just does not bear it out.
Israel were dissapointed in Kennedy disagreeing with their nuclear program hmmmm. Well they had to wait a long time before they got them circa 1967. I also think it's dangerous saying anyone outside the US 'group' or 'religious' body did it. It's as bogus as the Lyndon Johnson gibberish. That's not to say something funky went down with the USS Liberty however. But trying to tie that in with JFK is something of stretch. It also sends one down a very slippery slope. I had a brief discussion with Al Doyle in regards to this and I was to busy too finish off what I was trying to say (my apologies Al). I recall when Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas were interviewed on the 'Democracy Now' show with Amy Goodman.
One of the saddest things I saw was that the duo from Popular Mechanics got off on their high horses accusing Bermas and co of being 'anti-semitic'. Now this just came out of nowhere and I was utterly appalled. I advise anyone to read John Ronson's 'Them: Adventures With Extremists' in which he discusses this problem. The cool thing is that Ronson himself is of Jewish ancestory and found the ADL particularly confused in it's mission. I'm no big fan of Chomsky nowadays either, but I think he's correct that they have lost the plot in regards to any form of criticism being labelled as a racist attack.
But this brings me too my point. I'd be slightly jumpy as well if I'd faced pogroms of the kind the Jewish people have experienced throughout history. Sadly, it appears that conservative Zionist elements have hijacked a lot of the discourse in much the same way Christian elements have hijacked or targetted many debates. These guys represent the views of a minority of Jewish people. A lot of excellent JFK researchers were Jewish and many, many Jewish people are opposed to illegal Israeli occupations in Gaza and recognise the rights of Palestinians. Not to mention that Jewish people living elsewhere in the middle east were also very critical of official Israeli policy.
The big danger is of course the growth of lunatic conservative Christian movements in the US (again not all Christians are lunatics or conservative either) in particularly the Christian Zionist groups. Any form of religious extremism is exceptionally bad for your health and that of others. This whole Israel behind the assassination stuff sadly wreaks of the very bigotry that people in groups like the ADL lap up. As for Ruby, he's something of a false sponsor himself.
Why does my expressing what I honestly believe worry you so? Are you afraid I might be right? I believe you owe me an answer, since I consider your post an outright accusation of bigotry and racism on my part.
Yes, some of the the finest researchers are Jewish. Mark Lane was the finest, most courageous and meticulous of them all in my opinion and he is Jewish. He isn't a Zionist, he is Jewish. There is a clear difference and I don't appreciate you trying to blur the line.
I believe the aim of this section of the DPF is frank and honest discussion about JFK's assassination, not chickenshit fear of treading on eggshells.
If you think it's 'dangerous' accusing anyone outside the 'US group or religious body' of having assassinated Kennedy, then what the hell are you doing here anyway?
Obviously this blog is far too dangerous for you.
The LBJ-Did-It Operation Continues to Unfold - Dawn Meredith - 06-06-2011
There is no evidence Israel had anything to do with the death of JFK. I am no fan of Israel but I put this theory in with the Greer- did -it theory.
Dawn
The LBJ-Did-It Operation Continues to Unfold - Seamus Coogan - 06-06-2011
Read carefully Mark it doesn't accuse you of anything. Now this thread is about LBJ being a false sponsor. There was another thread where this discussion was underway, but I can't recall where it was. I'm not scared of you being right lol. I'm scared of the way in which the Jewish angle and the Israeli one is as just as bad a false flag layer as Johnson. If you think someone like Allen Dulles on the Commission (someone deeply involved in the assassination) and John J McCloy (a person well known for his negative views on Semitism) were part of some Jewish cabal. I'm sorry I can't help you. I'm also concerned how racist elements have converged on such stuff and then serious people get branded with it.
I'm very open to a well modded debate on this anytime, but not in this thread.
The LBJ-Did-It Operation Continues to Unfold - Seamus Coogan - 06-06-2011
Dawn Meredith Wrote:There is no evidence Israel had anything to do with the death of JFK. I am no fan of Israel but I put this theory in with the Greer- did -it theory.
Dawn
Ditto for me too.
The LBJ-Did-It Operation Continues to Unfold - Albert Doyle - 06-06-2011
There is strong evidence Israel was involved. I think there's a lot of pressure to jump on the right side of things Israel in the US exactly because of the politics that were established after the killing of Kennedy. I also think people need to read Piper's book 'Final Judgment' before dismissing the evidence too quickly. As Piper notes in his book there's not one single person who disproved anything he wrote, and I think that holds true here as well.
I don't blame people for reacting angrily against Israel if Piper's thesis is true. The problem with it is it will be used to successfully dismiss them as anti-semitic cranks. It might even be to the advantage of dirty operators to come on and rant against Israel using Piper as a basis and therefore drawing dislike on the subject.
No, in my mind you can't validly dismiss Piper without discussing how he showed Ben Gurion and Kennedy were in a secret war involving Israel's acquisition of nuclear weapons, or how Ben Gurion was literally driven out of office because of the mental collapse he suffered over it. Nor can you ignore Piper's deft detailing of the covert underground in Europe that was directly tied to Israel and Mossad's formation and, more importantly, its financing. Piper then establishes firm links to the pro-zionist treasurer level of the US syndicate and Meyer Lansky. Angleton's involvement as CIA liaison to Israel and his OSS background, connected to the formation of all of Mossad's main players, can't be ignored. Kennedy's letters to Ben Gurion are still classified and unreleased, and the Dallas Cuban did say "The Jews are now backing us and everything is taken care of".
It's very important to involve Charles' sponsor and facilitator template here because Piper's information most corresponds to that level. While it is questionable that Israel plotted JFK's assassination, their involvement through the CIA/mob French Connection can't be ignored. From what I'm seeing I would guess the total cabal was anxious to kill Kennedy but once the Israelis had a need it was then used as an excuse for the domestic actors to give the go ahead. We also can't ignore the domestic conspiracy, and those involved as well, along with THEIR motives.
I owe an enormous debt to Piper because once you subtract all the Israel accusations from his book he did an outline of the criminal and CIA involvement in those notorious Bahamian banks that allowed me to realize how Jimi Hendrix's death was connected to them.
The LBJ-Did-It Operation Continues to Unfold - Phil Dragoo - 06-06-2011
The LBJ-Did-It-Operation got its biggest boost since Craig I. Zirbel's The Texas Connection in the ebook of Saint John Hunt with the deathbed deflection by E. Howard Hunt.
I note Mark Lane in Plausible Denial made chopped liver of E. Howard Hunt's alibi for November 22, 1963.
LBJ made the remark in 1967 "we were operating a Murder, Inc." having appointed Richard Helms Director of Central Intelligence in 1966 only to announce his retirement from public life in March of 1968.
LBJ was no mastermind. He was handed the presidency and cooperated in the coverup of the coup. In Breach of Trust by Gerald McKnight (as in any of the serious narratives of the record) is ample evidence LBJ colluded with J. Edgar Hoover in concealing the many threads leading to the conspiracy.
LBJ did not "do it"--he played his little part like a good little terra cotta warrior and was removed from the exhibition.
Was LBJ the agent of Israel. Did Sirhan Sirhan assassinate Robert Kennedy for providing F-16's to Israel.
James Angleton manipulated the file of Lee Oswald. Richard Helms, effective CIA head from 1961 through 1973, has many lies and much blood to his discredit.
http://www.ctka.net/pr700-ang.html
http://www.ctka.net/pr900-ang.html
http://www.slate.com/id/2073470/
The facilitation of the act more likely lies in these two Langley lizards than in Landslide Lyndon or history's favorite scapegoats.
How timid the bully in the face of the power; which is which:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU4W0904QBM
Who asked after the CIA asset being tried by Garrison. Who planted the WWIII virus that made the coverup imperative. Who was to be shattered like JFK's skull. LBJ is part of the wall of concealment but there remain gates to the truth.
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The LBJ-Did-It Operation Continues to Unfold - Charles Drago - 06-06-2011
Seamus Coogan Wrote:Dawn Meredith Wrote:There is no evidence Israel had anything to do with the death of JFK. I am no fan of Israel but I put this theory in with the Greer- did -it theory.
Dawn
Ditto for me too.
The Greer-did-it "theory" is pure disinformation.
An Israel-did-it "theory" is equally preposterous -- if, that is, one is concerned with the contextual meanings of words.
A theory which proposes that Israeli interests had the motives and opportunities to contribute wittingly to the JFK assassination conspiracy is, for me, thoroughly plausible.
The LBJ-Did-It Operation Continues to Unfold - Seamus Coogan - 07-06-2011
Phil Dragoo Wrote:The LBJ-Did-It-Operation got its biggest boost since Craig I. Zirbel's The Texas Connection in the ebook of Saint John Hunt with the deathbed deflection by E. Howard Hunt.
I note Mark Lane in Plausible Denial made chopped liver of E. Howard Hunt's alibi for November 22, 1963.
LBJ made the remark in 1967 "we were operating a Murder, Inc." having appointed Richard Helms Director of Central Intelligence in 1966 only to announce his retirement from public life in March of 1968.
LBJ was no mastermind. He was handed the presidency and cooperated in the coverup of the coup. In Breach of Trust by Gerald McKnight (as in any of the serious narratives of the record) is ample evidence LBJ colluded with J. Edgar Hoover in concealing the many threads leading to the conspiracy.
LBJ did not "do it"--he played his little part like a good little terra cotta warrior and was removed from the exhibition.
Was LBJ the agent of Israel. Did Sirhan Sirhan assassinate Robert Kennedy for providing F-16's to Israel.
James Angleton manipulated the file of Lee Oswald. Richard Helms, effective CIA head from 1961 through 1973, has many lies and much blood to his discredit.
http://www.ctka.net/pr700-ang.html
http://www.ctka.net/pr900-ang.html
http://www.slate.com/id/2073470/
The facilitation of the act more likely lies in these two Langley lizards than in Landslide Lyndon or history's favorite scapegoats.
How timid the bully in the face of the power; which is which:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU4W0904QBM
Who asked after the CIA asset being tried by Garrison. Who planted the WWIII virus that made the coverup imperative. Who was to be shattered like JFK's skull. LBJ is part of the wall of concealment but there remain gates to the truth.
Yes thats bang on the money.