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Another in the endless mass shootings in USA - this time Denver - Peter Lemkin - 22-07-2012
It is early to develop a full scenario, but from past experience and present evidence, here is my current take and speculation/questions:
1] He was not alone - he had an [or two] accomplices to call and perhaps do the shooting [as the shooter was masked, it may not have been who was found to be arrested at the car - which was NOT parked in the USUAL lot for theatregoers but in an adjacent parking lot.
2] As Phil speculates, the phone call may have been the post-hypnotic trigger to do something. The call would be from one of his controllers or accomplices. Was Holmes another Sirhan Sirhan? This should be pursued by the Police - but there is zero chance they will.
3] He had recently moved into the flat he booby-trapped and apparently couldn't have lived there recently...so where was he living the days before?
4] Why the gas cannisters? Why the body armor and then stand down for the Police? Why said to tell the Police about the bomb in his flat? Could the shooter/planner have escaped to leave the Patsy by the car to be caught?
5] The emergency exit door he is reported to have left by should have sounded an alarm sound and possibly turned on the emergency lights. Nothing happened - it was disconnected and known to have been. The Police seem to be ignoring this.
6] Despite several reports of more than one person involved, the Police immediately said there was only one person/shooter and he was under arrest - suspicious in itself.
7] The booby-traps were apparently very sophisticated and not what the usual science student would know how to concoct.
8] There are conflicting reports - some that say Holmes refused to speak to the Police except to ask for a lawyer - others reporting he told them all sorts of things. Which is it?!
9] If the report of the trailer which involved several men with machine guns firing into a movie audience was the trailer shown.....what are the chances of that...along with the whole strange Batman theme of the shooting?
10] The Ft. Hood shooter was a psychiatrist; this one we are told was a PhD student in Neurosciences. Both would have had many contacts with Jolly West types in the course of their work or conferences, etc.
11] Other irregularities exist, but need more evidence and research.
Another in the endless mass shootings in USA - this time Denver - Keith Millea - 22-07-2012
Quote:5] The emergency exit door he is reported to have left by should have sounded an alarm sound and possibly turned on the emergency lights. Nothing happened - it was disconnected and known to have been. The Police seem to be ignoring this.When I was young,we used to sneak into the local theater by having one friend in the theater go open the emergency door,and then we would rush in.They didn't use alarms back then.It always worked!
Another in the endless mass shootings in USA - this time Denver - Phil Dragoo - 22-07-2012
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/aurora-cinema-shooting
An excerpt shows the question is central, significant, and unanswered:
Batman Aurora Theater Shootings: Why did the cinema safety system fail?
Why did a cinema multiplex fire door allow access the wrong way? Why didn't the alarm go off when they were opened? How did four guns, and body armor end up accessible through that door? What happened to the manager checking the fire door when James Holmes left (with silent alarm triggered) and securing it? And why was the Cinemax not put into emergency evacuation' mode automatically with gas/smoke hitting detectors, the fire door triggering the silent alarm, and a manager hitting the evacuation button?
I don't know.
As one of the thousands of people who have worked large Cineplex movie houses, I cannot understand how so many things went wrong with the Cinema system to allow this event to occur. Even so far as to have someone in an adjoining theater to end up shot through the wall because the cinema was not evacuated.
Linda and I were both shocked and saddened to hear of the shooting. I was looking forward to the final Batman film by Nolan, like those attending the midnight Premier showing in Aurora, CO. According to the BBC, James Holmes exited the emergency exit, returned in bulletproof vest, body armor and gloves, a gas mask, with four guns and threw two tear gas grenades before he started shooting. 70 people were injured or killed, 12 died, 11 in critical condition. James Holmes was a Ph.D. candidate who, like many of the film goers to the Premier was dressed up, and told the police when arrested he was The Joker.' The shooting took place only 20 miles from the Famous Columbine School shooting.
I worked four to five years at a Multiplex of 12 screens during many big openings, including some of the Lord of the Rings and Star Wars. So having hundreds line up in costumes in advance is part of movie experience. My job, or specialization was in crowd control and movement during large events.
The Batman screening at the Aurora was in a 16 screen multiplex owned by Cinemax, the second largest cinema chain in the US (probably after ones owned by VIACOM who is part of the group which owns BlockBuster and Coka). My visit last week the Cineplex, and talking to staff showed me that the system from seven years ago is still in place, including the blue shirts' (managers). Part of staff training from day one is for an event just like the one which happened was, for everyone who worked at the multiplex where I was, a mandatory monthly requirement. And every six months full live' tests with schools of children bussed in to replicate a potential life threat to the 2,000+ people in the screen was conducted. If what the BBC reported happened, it could not have done so and wouldn't have done so at the Multiplex/Cineplex where I worked: so what happened here?
The reason there is a higher standard around the world for a Cinema/Theatre is because Cinema's have regular lethal starting with the death of over 600 at the Iroquois Theatre in 1903; then Laurier Theatre Fire in Montreal (77 dead), but occurring regularly around the world in 1955, 1960, 1977 (694 dead), 1978 (438 dead), 1983, 1997 and 1999 (75 dead). The danger of Cinema's was due to the extreme flammable nature of old film stock (now replaced with less flammable or digital). Then there is the use of large and complex projectors for 14 hours or more straight, which use oil and can get very hot, as well the number of people in a fixed location, like a concert or club where injury by trampling occurs. All these require high safety standards met by building design, door, alarm, dectors, and other inert safety measures and high levels of staff training.
Staff who work at a cinema, particularly a multiplex, should be aware, like those who work on a ship, that due to the history of disasters, they are the trained people who will ensure no one dies. After 9/11 we all knew that, like a Stadium, a cinema multiplex, with 2,000-4,000 people at capacity, is a target.
So: How did James Holmes leave the fire exit and return without the alarm going off?
Fire Exits are meant to do just that, help people exit in case of fire. At the start of every shift in a cinema, I or someone would have to radio to the central office that I was doing a fire exit' check. The alarm which would send the fire department was turned off, and I would check every single door at the start of the day, and again at the end of the day to make sure they were not blocked, and the walkway out was not blocked in any way. Then the alarm is turned back on. Where I worked there was a delay, to allow for a visual check before the signal went to the fire department.
Why?
Because with 12, or with Century Aurora, CO Cinemark 16 screens, there is no way to be able to tell if there is a fire, or other emergency simply by the working staff seeing it in time (staff are taking tickets, seating, cleaning screens, selling popcorn, selling tickets, cleaning toilets, etc). The opening of a fire door during a film is a signal to check out why, and quickly. [B]So with Associated Press saying that a Federal Law Enforcement Person told them James Holmes propped open a emergency exit side door during the movie, donned his protective gear and returned to the cinema screen to open fire with guns on the crowd. Again, why when the alarm went off in the office was no one sent to check on this fire door.[/B]
Yes, during the five years I worked at the multiplex/cineplex there were maybe hundreds of false alarms to check, over a dozen full evacuations and not one emergency involving loss of life. But that is the job. You check because without checking, and ensuring the door is tight, and that it can swing open for exit easily but cannot be opened the other direction, you are not ready for when trouble comes.
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Phil's footnote:
A former employee of a comparable cinema complex describes a silent alarm with delay: step one: a silent notification to management; step two: alarm at fire department.
Is it likely that a global corporation runs theaters wherein exit doors can be opened and propped for unticketed entry without notifying management.
Those doors are specially marked and located next to the Free Popcorn machines.
And when we find that there WAS a silent alarm, and it was not noticed due to dereliction, the lawyers will begin to swarm in a National Geographic special narrated by the hushed British voice we've become accustomed to: ". . .beginning in wide, silent arcs, the massive lawyers circle the prey, gradually converging into a violent storm cloud of exploding pink blood. . ."
Another in the endless mass shootings in USA - this time Denver - Peter Lemkin - 22-07-2012
I'm an old fart and like the old [few these days] Deco-style theatres from the 50s....avoid mulitplexes and don't know about silent alarms - maybe. I worked many concerts, etc. in larger auditoria and they had audible alarms on the doors. Anyway, we're asking these questions, but are the Police or the MSM? Don't think so. You posit that some lawyer will FORCE them to think about it.....?
Let's hope so! Truth has a very strange way of being made to morph and get buried with lies and limited hangouts when things get 'Deep'. Were it not so, there'd be little need for this entire website.
Another in the endless mass shootings in USA - this time Denver - Peter Lemkin - 22-07-2012
Just been looking at what people are thinking about this matter on some larger discussion locations. Right Wingers are smelling a rat too. Here is just one that is somewhat typical of what I saw.
James Holmes, the Aurora, Colorado shooter who reportedly opened fire at a Batman movie premiere, was a medical student at the University of Colorado, pursuing a PhD in neuroscience.
As part of the attack, Holmes painted his hair red and referred to himself as "The Joker," one of the arch enemies in the DC Comics-inspired Batman movie series.
According to news reports, this sudden violent rampage was completely out of character for James Holmes, who was described as "shy."
The New York Times is now reporting:
Billy Kromka, a pre-med student at the University of Colorado, Boulder, worked with Mr. Holmes for three months last summer as a research assistant in a lab of at the Anschutz Medical Campus. Mr. Kromka said he was surprised to learn Mr. Holmes was the shooting suspect. "It was just shocking, because there was no way I thought he could have the capacity to do commit an atrocity like this," he said.
"He spent much of his time immersed in the computer, often participating in role-playing online games…"
There is already conjecture that James Holmes may have been involved in mind-altering neuroscience research and ended up becoming involved at a depth he never anticipated. His actions clearly show a strange detachment from reality, indicating he was not in his right mind. That can only typically be accomplished through drugs, hypnosis or trauma (and sometimes all three).
His behavior doesn't add up
His behavior already reveals stark inconsistencies that question the mainstream explanation of events. For example, he opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance. This is not consistent with the idea of "killing everyone."
Furthermore, he then admitted to police that his apartment was booby-trapped with explosives. If you were really an evil-minded Joker trying to kill people (including cops), why would you warn them about the booby trap in advance? It doesn't add up.
"Holmes was taken into custody shortly after the shooting, police said, adding he didn't resist when he was arrested," reports a local CBS news affiliate.
"After his arrest, Holmes told police about possible explosives in his residence,' Oates said. When police searched his apartment, they discovered it was booby-trapped and evacuated surrounding buildings, police said. Oates said bomb technicians are determining how to disarm flammable or explosive material in the third-floor apartment. He said police could be there some time."
None of this checks out. If you're a killer bent on causing mayhem, why tell the police about your surprise bomb waiting for them back at your apartment?
Holmes was clearly provided with exotic gear
Continuing from CBS:
"He said pictures from inside the apartment are fairly disturbing and the devices look to be sophisticated, adding the booby-traps were something I've never seen.' One rifle, two handguns, a knife, a bullet proof vest, a ballistic helmet, a gas device, a gas mask, military SWAT clothing and unidentified explosives were also found in Holmes' car, a law enforcement source told CBS News. Oates said Holmes wore a gas mask, a ballistic helmet and vest as well as leg, groin and throat protectors during the shooting."
In other words, this guy was equipped with exotic gear by someone with connections to military equipment. SWAT clothing, explosives, complex booby-traps… c'mon, this isn't a "lone gunman." This is somebody who was selected for a mission, given equipment to carry it out, then somehow brainwashed into getting it done.
"Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said Holmes' apartment is booby-trapped with a sophisticated' maze of flammable devices. It could take hours or days for authorities to disarm it," reports Yahoo News
UPDATE: (This section added to the story Saturday at 2:30 pm central, July 21, 2012). It is now being reported that exotic, advanced booby-traps have been disarmed at the apartment of James Holmes.
Officials say they have removed all major threats at the booby-trapped apartment of the Aurora movie theater shooting suspect on Saturday. They have used a robot to go inside James Holmes' apartment. …They were able to disable a trip wire that was set to go off when the apartment door was opened. "This is some serious stuff that our team is dealing with…"
Shortly before noon crews were successful performing a controlled detonation… More controlled detonations were possible.
…there were multiple trip wires throughout the apartment. Investigators have also seen what appear to be mortars planted in the apartment sort of the kind of mortars that might be seen in a commercial fireworks show. Up to a half dozen of them are scattered around.
…they have seen a number of inflated balloons in the apartment… with many appearing to be filled with a powder. Also linked together are bottles of liquid. …a strong smell of gasoline emanating from the apartment.
…several boxes on top of the refrigerator and there are lights flashing on the boxes.
…30 aerial shells (fireworks) commercially legally available for purchase. …the suspect may have filled them with smokeless powder. …entering the apartment would have caused a trip wire to trigger one liquid container to pour/mix with another. When the two mix together, they set off the main charge of the device which may be additional flammable liquids.
…an enormously dangerous mission. About 100 personnel are on scene.
Technicians made a first attempt on Friday to disarm the traps, believed to include explosives, but withdrew when it became clear the property was too dangerous to enter. Sgt Carlson said the device was set up to detonate when the first person entered the flat. "We've defeated first threat. It was set up to kill, and that could have been police officers or anything," she said.
FBI has a track record of staging similar assaults, then stopping them at the last minute
This is not your run-of-the-mill crime of passion. It was a carefully planned, heavily funded and technically advanced attack. Who might be behind all this? The FBI, of course, which has a long history of setting up and staging similar attacks, then stopping them right before they happen.
As you soak all this in, remember that the FBI had admitted to setting up terror plots, providing the weapons and gear, staging the location of the bombings and even driving the vehicles to pull it off! This is not a conspiracy theory, it's been admitted by the FBI right out in the open. Even the New York Times openly reports all this in stories like this one:
NYT: Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-help…)
THE United States has been narrowly saved from lethal terrorist plots in recent years or so it has seemed. A would-be suicide bomber was intercepted on his way to the Capitol; a scheme to bomb synagogues and shoot Stinger missiles at military aircraft was developed by men in Newburgh, N.Y.; and a fanciful idea to fly explosive-laden model planes into the Pentagon and the Capitol was hatched in Massachusetts. But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. …the F.B.I. provided a van loaded with six 55-gallon drums of "inert material," harmless blasting caps, a detonator cord and a gallon of diesel fuel to make the van smell flammable. An undercover F.B.I. agent even did the driving…
Mystery man Holmes has no background
On top of all this, Holmes apparently has no background. "He's not on anybody's radar screen nothing," said a peace officer in a NYT article. "This guy is somewhat of an enigma. Nobody knows anything about him."
Mr. Holmes's only criminal history is a traffic summons, the authorities said. He earned a bachelor's degree with honors in neuroscience in 2010 from the University of California, Riverside, and was a graduate student in neurosciences at the University of Colorado at Denver's Anschutz Medical Campus… He was currently collecting unemployment…
Question: How does an unemployed medical student afford $20,000 in weapons gear?
If you start to look at the really big picture here, the obvious question arises: How does an unemployed medical student afford all the complex weapons gear, bomb-making gear, "flammable" booby trap devices, ammunition, multiple magazines, bullet-proof vest, groin protection, ballistic helmet, SWAT uniform and all the rest of it?
A decent AR-15 rifle costs $1,000 or more all by itself. The shotgun and handgun might run another $800 total. Spare mags, sights, slings, and so on will run you at least another $1,000 across three firearms. The bullet-proof vest is easily another $800, and the cost of the bomb-making gear is anybody's guess. With all the specialty body gear, ammunition, booby-trap devices and more, I'm guessing this is at least $20,000 in weapons and tactical gear, much of which is very difficult for civilians to get in the first place.
The mere manufacture of an explosive booby-trap device is, all by itself, a felony crime by the way. And remember: "Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said Holmes' apartment is booby-trapped with a sophisticated' maze of flammable devices. It could take hours or days for authorities to disarm it," reported Yahoo News
Question: Where does an unemployed, introverted medical school student get the training to deploy sophisticated booby traps, tactical body armor, weapons systems and more? Certainly not in graduate school!
All this leads to an obvious third party influence over all this. Someone else taught this guy these skills and funded the acquisition of the equipment.
Note: Some readers have questioned the $20,000 figure estimated here, saying this gear could have been acquired for only $10,000 or so. I doubt that, as all the extras that you need to effectively run these guns cost a lot of money: training courses, spare magazines, etc. Just a decent AR-15 battle sight (a holographic red dot sight) can run $1,000 $2,000. Search "ACOG" if you don't believe me. It is also reported that Holmes bought 6,000 rounds of ammo, which definitely isn't cheap either. It's clear this guy was spending big bucks. Whether it's $10k or $20k isn't really that much of a point.
Another in the endless mass shootings in USA - this time Denver - Ed Jewett - 22-07-2012
Phil, I don't know what could have happened in the cineplex either, and I haven't been a hound-dog in pursuit of this story, but one of the thoughts that comes to mind is software, surveillance, remote control of software-engineered systems, etc., all of which are at an art form (especially inside certain military-industrial complexes, and even lurking inside this event), so a "back door"(pardon the pun) has multiple meanings here. The PROmis story, faded as it is, is all about back doors. That the software capabilities in back doors for purposes of theft (monetary, identity, intellectual property, security) have reached a new level of hyper-magnitude is under-reported.
Another in the endless mass shootings in USA - this time Denver - Ed Jewett - 22-07-2012
Pattern recognition.... One of the stories that emerges this afternoon -- after I emerge from a lengthy sleep and a morning deeply encased in an old Pulitzer Prize winning book (for future blog entries) -- is an AP story. [Caveats on the use of it, and the way in which AP has been used as a major outlet for propaganada and disinformation...] http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20120720/US.Colorado.Shooting/?cid=hero_media.
It is a story about the rejection of membership by the suspect in a gun club that smacks me in the face for its parallel replication of the way in which Oswald's patsy make-up was applied which [I'm not trying to school experts in 11/22/63 or raise a controversy about it here] had to do with guns, fascination with guns, acquisition of guns, mail-order weaponry (do I recall the involvement of a certain Senator from Connecticut?), etc.
It also smells of the same tales told about Muslim pilots and their acquisition of flying skills.
I trust also I'm not the first person to notice the use of the three-name moniker.
Another in the endless mass shootings in USA - this time Denver - Ed Jewett - 22-07-2012
Add to the roll of the deceased, apparently as per CNN... [TABLE="width: 1038"]
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[TD]Air Force Staff Sergeant Jesse Childress, 29, a cyber systems operator,
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Another in the endless mass shootings in USA - this time Denver - Ed Jewett - 22-07-2012
The alleged shooter, perp or patsy has a mother who is a psychiatric nurse?
Another in the endless mass shootings in USA - this time Denver - Ed Jewett - 22-07-2012
11:13 of Alex Jones audio with computer screen/Google video on the Aurora event:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sabePxK07Is&feature=player_embedded#!
The text below the video:
Published on Jul 21, 2012 by TheAlexJonesChannel
This important video report is just a small sampling of on the record cases where government staged shootings and other bloody acts to pose as heroes, take freedoms, launch wars.
[[Cover-Up? FBI Theater Attack Warning Memory-Holed]]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9aVMfYR8to
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