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On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 14-02-2017
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Scott Kaiser Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:Scott, did any of the people you interviewed about your father [or any documents you got related to him] mention the name Edward Arthur? He was, at the time, friends with Fiorini and those around him. Arthur somehow knew for sure your father was involved in Watergate, and seems to hint that he was one of the few who by plan was to get away, while others were to be caught. If so, I'd be very interested to know what you've heard of Ed Arthur.
Yes, Ed wrote a book called Glory No More, he cites the FBI wanting to talk to my elusive father who just took off to Haiti after Watergate made headlines. Ed Authur and Mike Wales both implicate my father as the sixth burglar.
Yes, I have the book too. Arthur painted himself as a soldier of fortune and member of Commandos L [both true], but he was a bit more, and like a lot of those he knew had his connections to the Company. Sadly, he died recently, so can't be interviewed further on this.
Im very sorry to hear of his passing, in the beginning, when I first discovered my father's address book I. Immediately started to contact others who were connected to, knew or worked with my dad. I tried to hunt down Hemming because my mother said she remebered him, during the same time Weberman told me that Hemming had played apart in killing my father (not that I beleived it) but, nevertheless I needed to talk to him. So, I started to call around and the first person I located was his daughter Dolores, we hit it off okay in the beginning started to talk to each other that is until all these posts appeared about Hemming working with Frank and the two killed my dad. Then Felipe got involved then there was this big falling out with everyone. I knew Hemming had nothing to do with killing my dad, even Autium sorry if I miss spelled her name, we became friends, she called me on the phone and we talked, I wanted to cry while I was telling her what I knew only because it was very hard on me to explain to Sturgis' daughter what happened, she was very understanding, and what made it even more hard is that I was very close to Frank, like, he was my uncle that close.
That's why there's that much more pain, hurt and betrayal. I've had to learn to live with this, sometimes there's things no one can prove, its those things when you just know, its either right or wrong, but there is no other answer, you just know. You feel it in your heart, and you just know.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Magda Hassan - 15-02-2017
Incredibly difficult Scott.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Peter Lemkin - 15-02-2017
Scott, if you know anyone who knew Arthur, please contact me by PM. I'm working on something that must for now be kept close to my chest about his [Arthurs] activities in a very important matter. To date, his name has been kept out of it, but that is a lie. His book if full of lies when talking in generalities - he names Oswald as an agent of Castro and THE assassin, but he KNEW otherwise - as did you father, Fiorini, Hemming and a hell of a lot of others. I doubt any one of them knew the entire picture, but they had the general drift of it - and Castro nor the USSR were involved, as they well knew...only to told/wanting to paint a false scenario as such with Oswald taking the blame as he had been set up for the 'fall'. I don't know what photos your father had re: JFK. Do you? They must have been so explosive that even taking them away from your father would necessitate his being 'removed', so he could never speak about what they showed. Fiorini and Hemming and a lot of others of that ilk were types who could kill a friend if ordered to do so. They all took orders from CIA handlers. Rarely, they ran their own ops. That begs the definition of 'friend' indeed. As for truth.....those guys believed truth was what they were told it would be at the time. Objective truth was a concept they kept inside their own heads, if at all. I realize for you this all has a very personal side, unlike most of us who study the lives of those who never touched our lives personally.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 15-02-2017
"Scott, if you know anyone who knew Arthur, please contact me by PM."
The only person I can think of is Eugenio Martinez, because Martinez worked with Frank, and a number of Commando L members, he may have known Ed too.
"what photos your father had re: JFK. Do you?"
No, I don't know, and I have never seen them, I interviewed Nino Diaz, and Rudy Junco who have seen them, they both say these photos were of the men standing outside a motel in Dallas on November 22, 1963. Just what are these men doing in Dallas on the day Kennedy was assassinated? Luis says he took photos while he was there, he admits to this, he also says there were (14) involved, I discovered a document from the CIA that says (14) Cuban intel agents were safely exfiltrated, and a number of photographs were recovered.
I asked Rudy just how did my father get ahold of these photos and when, he replied in 1971, so, this was before Watergate, then, I discovered another document that dad was showing them around in Miami in 1973. It took me awhile to discover whose name was blacked out in the document, then I learned it was Richard Poyle.
The rest is history.
Let me know if you want Eugenio's cell number, I'll give it to you in a PM and when you call him to ask him questions, if he asks, just say I gave you the number.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 15-02-2017
As much as we want to view Jack as the greatest president that ever lived, we also have to remind ourselves, he was human. And, to human is to error. There may not be any hard evidence as to what really happened in the Bay of Pigs, and why it failed, that could be debated for years, nor is there any real hard evidence as to what the A4 Skyhawks responsibilities were.
And, taking a simple conversation between two people, and trying to decipher, or interpret what they're saying is one of the hardest things to do, especially if you don't have any idea as to what they're talking about, and, if they're not in-front of you to ask them questions, I believe it makes it that much harder. One of the most controversial conversations is the talk both Robert and Jack had just days after the Bay of Pigs. If we can begin to really understand their conversation, we can also piece together the reason for the assassination.
No doubt we know a phone call was placed by McGeorge Bundy to the CIA, the presidents advisor, but why would Bundy call the CIA on D-Day two? Well, I believe if we really think long and hard enough the answer will come to us, however, I also believe the tape recorded conversation plays a part in how the phone call got started. This is my view; The entire phone call anomaly was a plan the president believed wouldn't work, by ensuing plausible deniability, but, the call did work. And, the later story was able to confuse everyone who believed there was some discrepancy in time.
The exact orders from Bundy were to "stand down, no air support is given." This was largely in part because Adlai Stevenson felt he had been lied to about the unmarked planes that were shot down. Stevenson, would inform Kennedy that if the United States involved themselves in this war it could very well drag Russia into it, Bundy agreed. The CIA took these orders from Bundy as if President Kennedy had relayed them himself. Bundy, who was presidential advisor to President Kennedy had no authority to make such a call, only the president has the authority to make such announcement, and to avoid any and all confusion only the president can make such a call.
Robert Kennedy - Now Jack, the thing of course to remember is this I don't know how much you want to get into it, but the thing to remember on this is this, Ah what you did on that day, Tuesday before Wednesday was something added to the plan.
I believe it's equally important to really understand this conversation, that leaked early on as many folks within the CIA already knew there was some failure of nerve on Jack's part, others believed he broke a promise, I believe this was the genius of plotting Jack's assassination, and why there was more than one plot against him. If Oswald had acted alone, then I believe the plot to assassinate Jack in Tampa, Miami, New York and Chicago would have never existed leaving the crazed lone nut to act solely on his own.
If the reader remembers, Jack's assassination was relatively quick, in-fact, within two years after the Bay of Pigs.
What Robert is discussing, is delaying the A4s. On Tuesday, April 18, 1961, the plan for the invasion was to cover the B-26's with A4 Skyhawks, but rather than providing "air-cover" as [promised,] Jack, called it off, only having them delay their fly by. Reports of the invasion would be sent to the White House. Jack made it clear, no American military would be used, though, he was still in support of the Brigade. The president would be able to explain the A4s responsibilities, and their involvement to Congress if need be, they were there to seek, and help recover any survivors rather then providing air-support. This would keep the president from a possible impeachment with Congress. It would also allow Bundy to take the fall with the CIA, as he called off the air-support, whereas, Jack wouldn't be fully blamed for breaking his promise, if he didn't make the call.
I'm all ears and would love to hear your views.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 15-02-2017
Would a monitor please change the word "say" to "stay" so it reads; I hope this will "stay" up for debate, thank you.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Albert Doyle - 15-02-2017
You can do it yourself in the "editing" feature.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 15-02-2017
Without mentioning any names, I'll say, "this conversation between Robert and Jack had leaked, intelligence knew it, and so did the Brigade," they knew there was some failure of nerve on Jack's part, they knew that a promise had been broken.
This was the genius of Kennedy's assassination, some of the members of Operation Tilt that concocted this mission, and plotted Castro's assassination in 1962, who engaged in this diabolical scheme tried infiltrating Cuba just a year after the Bay of Pigs. Kennedy, really tried reaching out to Fidel Castro using liaisons he secretly sent to Cuba with the possibility of having a relationship, but Fidel was communist, and in those days having a relationship with communist was worse then treason. These infiltration's would make it difficult for Kennedy to have that relationship.
A year after Operation Tilt, Kennedy would be assassinated. Relatively quick huh?
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 16-02-2017
What I don't understand is how our government really works, I mean, there seems to be a bit of a conspiracy going on here with the hidden facts behind the A4 Skyhawks right? And, that's fairly easy to see what's going on, but to blatantly ignore the fact that there was a conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy is ludicrous. I'm trying to be the objective one here. If only Congress, and or President Donald Trump could conduct one last inquiry into the assassination of Kennedy, I'm certain that inquiry would Trump the Warren Commission's Report.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 18-02-2017
I suppose rather than starting a new thread, it's wiser if I just continue posting here. I do believe keeping up with what I have to say is important, it would also be easier to find all my information in one thread. I should thank the monitor for that, whoever has been organizing my material for everyone interested in reading it. Now, that I got that out of the way, perhaps, I should just provide the followers with the information I intend to release, right?
After all, what good would it do if everyone were kept in suspense? Interesting enough, we all want to know why Kennedy was assassinated, but, most importantly we want to know who assassinated him? This would prove Oswald's innocents right?.
God! I almost feel guilty mentioning my father though, I mean as often as I do, because others seems to think the remarks I disclose I'm getting free publicity right Tom? I mean... I'm publishing a book here that hasn't even been released yet, so on, and so fourth, yada yada yada... etc.... etc....
okay, so I won't mention this guy who is also found in my father's address book, I'll just show you his name, but, what I can tell you, is that we'll all get one step closer to solving this with facts, and you can take that to the bank, trust me, you're not going to want to miss reading my update, that would include you too Jim. You may make yourself feel good by later saying, "I never read your book,"... But, you will.
If this goes over your head, no worries, I expected that.
https://books.google.com/books?id=Cbl7YugSoSMC&pg=PA55&lpg=PA55&dq=Holmes+Tuttle+and+john+kennedy&source=bl&ots=oWKHxd5mwj&sig=uwt7TSRHgA4w5WM_3lA7Cxz5xUo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjd3ur925jSAhUDOyYKHQY5DlEQ6AEINDAE#v=onepage&q=Holmes%20Tuttle%20and%20john%20kennedy&f=false