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MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - Peter Lemkin - 15-03-2014
"Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appear to show the missing airliner climbing to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and made a sharp turn to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person familiar with the data.
The radar track, which the Malaysian government has not released but says it has provided to the United States and China, then shows the plane descending unevenly to an altitude of 23,000 feet, below normal cruising levels, as it approached the densely populated island of Penang, one of the country's largest. There, the plane turned from a southwest-bound course, climbed to a higher altitude and flew northwest over the Strait of Malacca toward the Indian Ocean."
.....well, after hearing the 'latest' 'official' 'information' from the Prime Minister of Malaysia, only a few new things were actually confirmed. It seems that:
1] something/someone deliberately turned off the transponder and redirected the plane West and then Northwest.
2] that the plane flew northwest [generally] for several hours and possibly covered one or two thousand Km. Satellite data puts the plane possibly in either of two air corridors - one heading to the southern tip of India; the other headed toward Kazakstan. [I don't believe the plane had fuel enough to reach either end point - but this was the heading, and perhaps these air corridor maps are online].
3] that at some point which the 'authorities' seem to know [but are NOT disclosing] the information from the plane to satellites ceased; but that that doesn't necessarily mean it crashed or exploded at that point - but that is likely.
4] whatever happened to the plane was done deliberately - i.e. was not an accident. The entity, nation, or person[s] involved are totally unknown [or undisclosed].
If a hijacking, it seems to make no sense - unless the hijacker[s] took the plane too high and all lost consciousness and perhaps died due to anoxia - the plane then somehow flying by autopilot the rest of the way. If at least the hijacker was conscious, they are unlikely to have reached any place to land and make demands or ask for ransom. If the plane was under EXTERNAL controls, almost anything is possible.....except I know of no way to refuel a civilian airliner enroute, as they regularly do military flights.....so the plane came 'down' a few hours after the deviation West and Northwest - likely into the sea - although a few islands with landing strips are in the two air corridors. I get the feeling that essential information is still being withheld.
My take on this information, thus far, is that who/whatever endeavored to take the plane off its original course had highly advanced knowledge of the most sophisticated technical systems both aboard the plane as well as external radar systems and satellite surveillance. To me, this leaves only nation states or persons highly trained specifically in both of these fields. Watch, they'll blame it on some old man in a cave without electricity.
Makes one really want to get on a plane, doesn't it! :
hock::MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - David Guyatt - 15-03-2014
If it was hijacked, which now seems likely, it would surely mean that some form of communication took place? Otherwise why do it?
MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - Peter Lemkin - 15-03-2014
David Guyatt Wrote:If it was hijacked, which now seems likely, it would surely mean that some form of communication took place? Otherwise why do it?Agreed, but there are four possibilities: 1] the hijackers didn't get around to their communication before the plane went down. 2] communication has been made, but is being kept secret. 3] the pilots were the 'hijackers' and were on a suicide mission or apply 1 and 2. 4] the hijacking was done remotely/electronically and likely add 2 here. In any of these scenarios, if the hijackers or their allies are outside and alive the flight they can say to one or all governments [openly - or more likely secretly], the same can happen to your planes whenever we wish....i.e. blackmail for money or political purposes [I'd guess the second].
While they haven't yet released the data on how much fuel the plane had, they now have changed from 0 to 4 to 5 to now 7! hours that the plane was flying beyond its last known point on the original flight plan, where radar was lost!...that means it could have flown to India, Kazakstan, Pakistan, Ceylon or many other nations [or islands along the way of which there are hundreds - possibly even Afghanistan!!!! Considering the plane had fuel to Peking, they had enough fuel to travel seven hours beyond the original one [when contact was lost]. Very strange, indeed!
But why the secrecy if investigating nations don't have some complicity in what happened or in suppressing what happened?...to whit:
The data stream that was interrupted shortly after 1 a.m. [7 hours after diversion from original flight path] on March 8 flows through a two-way onboard computer system known as ACARS, the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System.
"It is very possible for you as a pilot in the cockpit to turn off the ACARS system," the official said. "If you knew what you were doing in the cockpit, you could shut off ACARS transmission."
But the ability of the satellite to locate the plane which he referred to as a "handshake" in which no information is exchanged cannot be terminated from the cockpit.
"There's no push button," he said. "There's no circuit breaker that would allow you to shut off the handshake."
That satellite handshake took place on a system operated by Inmarsat, a British satellite company that provides global mobile telecommunications services.
U.S. officials declined to say how closely that handshake allowed them to track the path of the missing plane.
MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - David Guyatt - 15-03-2014
Peter Lemkin Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:If it was hijacked, which now seems likely, it would surely mean that some form of communication took place? Otherwise why do it?Agreed, but there are four possibilities: 1] the hijackers didn't get around to their communication before the plane went down. 2] communication has been made, but is being kept secret. 3] the pilots were the 'hijackers' and were on a suicide mission or apply 1 and 2. 4] the hijacking was done remotely/electronically and likely add 2 here. In any of these scenarios, if the hijackers or their allies are outside and alive the flight they can say to one or all governments [openly - or more likely secretly], the same can happen to your planes whenever we wish....i.e. blackmail for money or political purposes [I'd guess the second].
While they haven't yet released the data on how much fuel the plane had, they now have changed from 0 to 4 to 5 to now 7! hours that the plane was flying beyond its last known point on the original flight plan, where radar was lost!...that means it could have flown to India, Kazakstan, Pakistan, Ceylon or many other nations [or islands along the way of which there are hundreds - possibly even Afghanistan!!!! Considering the plane had fuel to Peking, they had enough fuel to travel seven hours beyond the original one [when contact was lost]. Very strange, indeed!
But why the secrecy if investigating nations don't have some complicity in what happened or in suppressing what happened?...to whit:
The data stream that was interrupted shortly after 1 a.m. [7 hours after diversion from original flight path] on March 8 flows through a two-way onboard computer system known as ACARS, the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System.
"It is very possible for you as a pilot in the cockpit to turn off the ACARS system," the official said. "If you knew what you were doing in the cockpit, you could shut off ACARS transmission."
But the ability of the satellite to locate the plane which he referred to as a "handshake" in which no information is exchanged cannot be terminated from the cockpit.
"There's no push button," he said. "There's no circuit breaker that would allow you to shut off the handshake."
That satellite handshake took place on a system operated by Inmarsat, a British satellite company that provides global mobile telecommunications services.
U.S. officials declined to say how closely that handshake allowed them to track the path of the missing plane.
I'll opt for 2 myself. The reason will probably come out in due course. Based on the last para the US knows exactly where the aircraft either is or came down.
MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - Peter Lemkin - 15-03-2014
David Guyatt Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:If it was hijacked, which now seems likely, it would surely mean that some form of communication took place? Otherwise why do it?Agreed, but there are four possibilities: 1] the hijackers didn't get around to their communication before the plane went down. 2] communication has been made, but is being kept secret. 3] the pilots were the 'hijackers' and were on a suicide mission or apply 1 and 2. 4] the hijacking was done remotely/electronically and likely add 2 here. In any of these scenarios, if the hijackers or their allies are outside and alive the flight they can say to one or all governments [openly - or more likely secretly], the same can happen to your planes whenever we wish....i.e. blackmail for money or political purposes [I'd guess the second].
While they haven't yet released the data on how much fuel the plane had, they now have changed from 0 to 4 to 5 to now 7! hours that the plane was flying beyond its last known point on the original flight plan, where radar was lost!...that means it could have flown to India, Kazakstan, Pakistan, Ceylon or many other nations [or islands along the way of which there are hundreds - possibly even Afghanistan!!!! Considering the plane had fuel to Peking, they had enough fuel to travel seven hours beyond the original one [when contact was lost]. Very strange, indeed!
But why the secrecy if investigating nations don't have some complicity in what happened or in suppressing what happened?...to whit:
The data stream that was interrupted shortly after 1 a.m. [7 hours after diversion from original flight path] on March 8 flows through a two-way onboard computer system known as ACARS, the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System.
"It is very possible for you as a pilot in the cockpit to turn off the ACARS system," the official said. "If you knew what you were doing in the cockpit, you could shut off ACARS transmission."
But the ability of the satellite to locate the plane which he referred to as a "handshake" in which no information is exchanged cannot be terminated from the cockpit.
"There's no push button," he said. "There's no circuit breaker that would allow you to shut off the handshake."
That satellite handshake took place on a system operated by Inmarsat, a British satellite company that provides global mobile telecommunications services.
U.S. officials declined to say how closely that handshake allowed them to track the path of the missing plane.
I'll opt for 2 myself. The reason will probably come out in due course. Based on the last para the US knows exactly where the aircraft either is or came down.
I'm inclined to agree, but that almost surely means the USA is the [or a] target of whatever was said/threatened/demanded. The ACARS system is built [they say] by Boeing - not the US Military or Intelligence [although Boeing and the MIC are like Siamese twins]; therefore strange and not strange that Boeing has said nothing and 'US Officials' are speaking for them and keeping the real nature of this system a secret! Now that we know about the ACARS system [I think news to most] there well might be new information to be had with the planes on 9-11-01!
MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - Albert Doyle - 15-03-2014
The public should demand answers as to why this nebulous satellite tracking company was allowed to withhold critical information for so long? This means that these aloof tracking companies with probable links to the intelligence/security agencies of the nations they exist in can allow rescuers to search in the wrong place like fools wasting CO2-producing fuel, equipment, manpower, and time looking in the wrong place. Withholding critical information is criminal in those circumstances seeing how there could be survivors who may have been rescued with quicker locating.
Another thing is in the post-9-11 era a wide body commercial aircraft going off radar and out of contact with full fuel is something that should trigger automatic concern. There are no media asking what was the immediate security reaction to this situation and what higher assets were used like spy satellites etc? Where is the documentation of notification by Malaysia Airlines, and the Malaysian government to those higher international authorities that would be involved in such an incident? Are they asking us to believe there was no notification and no intel tracking of the errant plane for 4 to 5 hours when there were serious targets within range of this potential airplane bomb?
The men who were involved in trying to figure this out are not ignorant of these technical devices or their function. There are personnel who would be well-versed and fluid in these devices and their usefulness in locating the aircraft live during the event. There is no excuse for them taking 6 full days to retrieve this information and their delay clearly commits a criminal violation of public safety standards. Malaysia also stands liable for not scrambling a jet to identify a large target on military radar. A 777 making altitude changes and not responding should have stood out on their military radar.
MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - R.K. Locke - 15-03-2014
Peter Lemkin Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:If it was hijacked, which now seems likely, it would surely mean that some form of communication took place? Otherwise why do it?Agreed, but there are four possibilities: 1] the hijackers didn't get around to their communication before the plane went down. 2] communication has been made, but is being kept secret. 3] the pilots were the 'hijackers' and were on a suicide mission or apply 1 and 2. 4] the hijacking was done remotely/electronically and likely add 2 here. In any of these scenarios, if the hijackers or their allies are outside and alive the flight they can say to one or all governments [openly - or more likely secretly], the same can happen to your planes whenever we wish....i.e. blackmail for money or political purposes [I'd guess the second].
While they haven't yet released the data on how much fuel the plane had, they now have changed from 0 to 4 to 5 to now 7! hours that the plane was flying beyond its last known point on the original flight plan, where radar was lost!...that means it could have flown to India, Kazakstan, Pakistan, Ceylon or many other nations [or islands along the way of which there are hundreds - possibly even Afghanistan!!!! Considering the plane had fuel to Peking, they had enough fuel to travel seven hours beyond the original one [when contact was lost]. Very strange, indeed!
But why the secrecy if investigating nations don't have some complicity in what happened or in suppressing what happened?...to whit:
The data stream that was interrupted shortly after 1 a.m. [7 hours after diversion from original flight path] on March 8 flows through a two-way onboard computer system known as ACARS, the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System.
"It is very possible for you as a pilot in the cockpit to turn off the ACARS system," the official said. "If you knew what you were doing in the cockpit, you could shut off ACARS transmission."
But the ability of the satellite to locate the plane which he referred to as a "handshake" in which no information is exchanged cannot be terminated from the cockpit.
"There's no push button," he said. "There's no circuit breaker that would allow you to shut off the handshake."
That satellite handshake took place on a system operated by Inmarsat, a British satellite company that provides global mobile telecommunications services.
U.S. officials declined to say how closely that handshake allowed them to track the path of the missing plane.
This is the key for me. What could possibly have happened that would cause all of the nations who possess the technology to track this plane (including America, Russia, China and others) to cover it up?
MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - Peter Lemkin - 15-03-2014
MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - Lauren Johnson - 15-03-2014
Listening on CNN: now attention is being directed to a Uiger passenger and apparently "there was" a claim of responsibility by an unknown group (hint: Uiger).
The legend seems to be coming together quite nicely, but has a way to go.
MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - Peter Lemkin - 15-03-2014
Lauren Johnson Wrote:Listening on CNN: now attention is being directed to a Uiger passenger and apparently "there was" a claim of responsibility by an unknown group (hint: Uiger).
The legend seems to be coming together quite nicely, but has a way to go.
By ONE Uiger....well if so....he's the World's top ace uni-hijacker ever! I'm more suspicious of the undisclosed, late disclosed and obviously withheld as well as contradictory 'authoritative' information being handed to family, media and even it seems governments. I think those who ultimately planned this were not on the plane and are still in control of the fog surrounding the flight - there may well have been an or several accomplices on the flight - but that is NO LONGER NECESSARY. (9-11 researchers long ago figured out that a plane can be totally taken over by electronics from other planes, hidden pre-programmed controllers, or satellites. This is Regan testing out his starwars program?!)