5. Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

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Jim Hargrove Wrote:Just to make sure everyone understands Parker's position here.

He says that the "quack Philben," who somehow later became chief of staff of Dallas Memorial Hospital, somehow faked a tonsillectomy so well that "Marguerite honestly believed the tonsils had been removed."

Greg R Parker Wrote:

Jim Hargrove Wrote:Just to make sure everyone understands Parker's position here.

He says that the "quack Philben," who somehow later became chief of staff of Dallas Memorial Hospital, somehow faked a tonsillectomy so well that "Marguerite honestly believed the tonsils had been removed."

Let's separate (and straighten out) my speculation from the facts shall we?

I never claimed he faked a tonsillectomy. I listed it as a possibility which I didn't particular find all that appealing. The other - yes - is speculation that I think is plausible.

Now put that aside and consider the FACTS that this speculation is based upon.

Fact One: Marguerite listed Philben on an insurance application as having performed a tonsillectomy on Lee.

Fact Two: Philben could not LEGALLY have performed such an operation in 1945.

Fact Three: There are no medical records showing that Lee ever had a tonsillectomy - despite such records being readily available for the mastoidectomy.

Fact Four: Whatever hospitals Philben worked in from the late '70s when Osteopathy became semi-legitimate due to a severe MD shortage is totally irrelevant to the situation in 1945.

Now compare those facts with your "facts"... which amounts to Marguerite would have known her son had a tonsillectomy because of his cut throat. And just so I am not accused of falsely summarizing your quote, here it is: "A mother doesn't know when her young son's throat has been cut open?"

Please note that I have been admonished by an admin for categorizing your "fact" as moronic. So instead, I will simply allow readers to make up there own minds. Or perhaps you can provide a cite for the tonsils being removed through an incision in the throat? That would teach me a lesson, wouldn't it, Jim?

Just think of the possibilities. You could cite the missing throat scar as another pillar in H & L Fortress!!!!

Bob Prudhomme Wrote:

Greg R Parker Wrote:

Jim Hargrove Wrote:Just to make sure everyone understands Parker's position here.

He says that the "quack Philben," who somehow later became chief of staff of Dallas Memorial Hospital, somehow faked a tonsillectomy so well that "Marguerite honestly believed the tonsils had been removed."

Let's separate (and straighten out) my speculation from the facts shall we?

I never claimed he faked a tonsillectomy. I listed it as a possibility which I didn't particular find all that appealing. The other - yes - is speculation that I think is plausible.

Now put that aside and consider the FACTS that this speculation is based upon.

Fact One: Marguerite listed Philben on an insurance application as having performed a tonsillectomy on Lee.

Fact Two: Philben could not LEGALLY have performed such an operation in 1945.

Fact Three: There are no medical records showing that Lee ever had a tonsillectomy - despite such records being readily available for the mastoidectomy.

Fact Four: Whatever hospitals Philben worked in from the late '70s when Osteopathy became semi-legitimate due to a severe MD shortage is totally irrelevant to the situation in 1945.

Now compare those facts with your "facts"... which amounts to Marguerite would have known her son had a tonsillectomy because of his cut throat. And just so I am not accused of falsely summarizing your quote, here it is: "A mother doesn't know when her young son's throat has been cut open?"

Please note that I have been admonished by an admin for categorizing your "fact" as moronic. So instead, I will simply allow readers to make up there own minds. Or perhaps you can provide a cite for the tonsils being removed through an incision in the throat? That would teach me a lesson, wouldn't it, Jim?

Just think of the possibilities. You could cite the missing throat scar as another pillar in H & L Fortress!!!!

Some people just don't know when they are licked.

Quote: Fact Two: Philben could not LEGALLY have performed such an operation in 1945.

David Josephs Wrote:

Quote: Fact Two: Philben could not LEGALLY have performed such an operation in 1945.

I saw this last post of his and decided enough again was enough...

In 10 minutes I was able to find that Dr Philben was indeed able to perform tonsillectomies... starting as early as 1907...

DO's (Doctors of Osteopathy) are doctors and surgeons just like any other doctor or surgeon...

Can we now please have enough his Mr P and his pathetic excuses for FACTS which are no more than his poor excuses for opinions which are neither researched, informed
or worth the electrons wasted on posting them.

http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/sdo01

The first Texas Medical Practice Act, passed in 1907, permitted the licensing of doctors of osteopathy. John F. Bailey, D.O., of Waco was appointed by Governor Thomas M. Campbell as the first osteopathic physician on the composite State Board of Medical Examiners. In 1901, during the group's second meeting in Fort Worth, the name was changed to Texas Osteopathic Association. The name was changed again in 1930 to Texas Association of Osteopathic Physicians and Surgeons, and the association was first incorporated in 1946 in Dallas County. Its purpose was to support the science of osteopathic medicine. On September 14, 1971, the name was changed to Texas Osteopathic Medical Association.


http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/tslac/30049/tsl-30049.html
Initial licensing of medical practitioners in Texas began in 1837 with the creation of the Board of Medical Censors by the 2nd Congress of the Republic of Texas. It was abolished in 1848 by the 2nd Legislature of the State of Texas.
In 1873 (13th Texas Legislature, Chapter 55), and again in 1876 (15th Legislature, Chapter 140) legislation was passed which directed the presiding judge of each district court to create a three-member district Board of Medical Examiners for the licensing or certification of medical practitioners in each district. A state-wide board was not re-established until the passage of the Medical Practices Act in 1901 (House Bill 173, 27th Texas Legislature), creating three medical boards: the Board of Medical Examiners, the Board of Eclectic Medical Examiners, and the Board of Homeopathic Medical Examiners. Each board had nine members. This law specified "that no member shall be a professor or teacher in any medical school."
In 1907, these three boards were supplanted by the Texas State Board of Medical Examiners, established by the 30th Legislature (Senate Bill 26) to administer the examination and licensing of physicians and surgeons, prescribe their qualifications, and provide procedures for the registration and revocation of licenses.


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Doctor of osteopathic medicine

A doctor of osteopathic medicine (D.O.) is a physician licensed to practice medicine, perform surgery, and prescribe medication.


Alternative names

Osteopathic physician
Information

Like all allopathic physicians (or M.D.s), osteopathic physicians complete 4 years of medical school and can choose to practice in any speciality of medicine. However, osteopathic physicians receive an additional 300 - 500 hours in the study of hands-on manual medicine and the body's musculoskeletal system.
Osteopathic physicians hold to the priciple that a patient's history of illness and physical trauma are written into the body's structure. The osteopathic physician's highly developed sense of touch allows the physician to feel (palpitate) the patient's "living anatomy" (the flow of fluids, motion and texture of tissues, and structural makeup).
Like M.D.s, osteopathic physicians are licensed at the state level. Osteopathic physicians who wish to specialize may become "board certified" (in much the same manner as M.D.s) by completing a 2- to 6-year residency within the specilaty area and passing the board certification exams.
D.O.s practice in all specialties of medicine, ranging from emergency medicine and cardiovascular surgery to psychiatry and geriatrics. A majority of osteopathic doctors use many of the medical and surgical treatments that are used by other medical doctors.

Anthony Thorne Wrote:David Josephs, please focus your commentary on Greg's arguments rather than dragging the discussion into 'is he cointelpro?' territory. The DPF has more cause than most to be wary of disruptors and agitators - Greg is neither - he simply disagrees with some (most?) of the Harvey and Lee evidence. His recent book argues for, not against, a conspiracy, and arguments for and against the subject of this thread should be able to stand on their own merits. I get that some here dispute or disagree with some of his arguments (his book is nuanced, well-argued and the first volume doesn't really go near much of the Harvey and Lee stuff for much of its length) but reducing this somewhat blustery back-and-forth argument to a simple accusation of cointelpro does no-one any favours here. I get that you guys have a serious ongoing disagreement here, but he's not cointelpro. I'll jump back in if anyone thinks I'm putting up a rogue smokescreen or something to protect a fellow Aussie researcher.