David Guyatt Wrote:I have no idea to what degree, if any, the following FB post has, but I'm linking it below:

https://www.facebook.com/truthcat/photos/a.1782534161980823.1073741830.1781884752045764/1791299287770977/?type=3&theater

Anthony Thorne Wrote:I don't have time to write a longer piece right now but I believe the Grimmie shooting a day or two earlier deserves closer attention.

The killer, Kevin Loibl, conveniently dead, is described as a 'deranged fan' of a young woman who was one of the most social-media active figures imaginable. Christina Grimmie started out with her own YouTube channel, where she conversed with fans, added her own Facebook and Snapchat and Twitter and Instagram pages, would regularly give YouTube updates to her channel followers, joked about how her concerts ran overtime as she liked to chat to crowd members between songs, and went out of her way to greet fans after the show with open arms. Her entire fan base was built upon social media. Then, early reports of her murder have commentary from the cops stating that her killer had 'almost no social media presence', a funny thing for a chap who was obsessed with a socially-media active singer.

Since the lack of a social media presence was incongruous, more recent stories now try to beef up an online presence for him. The head line here reads 'Did Christina Grimmie's killer post disturbing messages online detailing his obsession with the star before shooting her?'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/christina-grimmies-killer-post-disturbing-8186946

The article may as well have been made up at the typewriter, as it quotes an unnamed 'social media user' who sparked concern from several unnamed other people when that first user posted about an unnamed celebrity on an unnamed site at an indeterminate time. Two sentences in the article note there's "no evidence" linking the posts to the killer, and then reiterates that there's "nothing to suggest" there's a link, but the headline of the article poses the question anyway. Other recent articles state that Loibl had a 'history of violence', and then note an incident where police found inconclusive evidence linking him to a violent attack on a partner and declined to press charges.

To my mind, the key link between the Grimmie shooting and the later Pulse nightclub shooting - beyond their proximate locales - is the similarly young/left-wing/ socially-media active/LGBT-identifying folk who are now mourning the various deaths and who have been given a new reason to feel repelled at gun violence. I'd suspect that if you found a cross-section of those folk and asked who (if anyone) they were planning to vote for, a majority would have said Bernie Sanders. With Sanders leaving the campaign, the deep-state folk who wanted to prevent any votes from either going absent or going to Trump in the electorates that they couldn't rig would be glad of a spur to see those voters move towards Clinton. A day or two after the shootings, Hillary Clinton makes expansive comments on the theme of gun control, giving her another cudgel to beat over the head of the NRA-supporting Trump. I doubt Clinton was the mastermind of anything above, but the deep state operatives and backers who wish to see her pushing their programs would find the events useful.

Grimmie's initial YouTube username was 'Zeldaxlove64', a reference to the Nintendo LEGEND OF ZELDA games (and the Nintendo 64 console beloved by fans) which releases a new entry in the series perhaps twice a decade. A vast number of Grimmie's fans, particularly on YouTube, are openly fans of the series. Grimmie was killed three days before a much-anticipated new entry in the Zelda series was to be announced. In the opening seconds of this video launching the latest Zelda game, Nintendo USA head Reggie Fils-Aime offers condolences to the victims of both shootings before noting that Grimmie had been scheduled to attend the premiere unveiling of the game in person this week as a fan, compouding the sense of tragedy for her fan base.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oalEsT7RyFI

The Grimmie shooting was intended to make a targeted section of young and left-wing voters feel anguished over gun violence, so that the Pulse nightclub murders that immediately followed would be that much more horrific and appalling. The promimate locale was probably a result of controllers and operatives compartmentalising the operation to avoid mishaps.

About two days after I thought of the above, a random Google search turns up an article blaming Clinton's background campaigners for both shootings, posted on the trash tabloid conspiracy Sorcha Faal site.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2055.htm

I take that as a means of tarring the notion by linking it to crap and sending researchers down blind alleys. There's probably a useful link or two on the page, but it's buried in unsubstantiated commentary that I'm sure carefully mixes truth with fiction.

David Guyatt Wrote:Well worth watching for all the associated FBI, CIA, US government, MI6 and terrorist links.

From UK Column News:

Peter Lemkin Wrote:Iit is getting VERY crazy.... the Truth has been totally mis-represented by someone.... and there are obviously more than one 'disaster actor' in this play!

Drew Phipps Wrote:Here's an article about Loibl's alleged obsession with Grimmie.


http://www.tmz.com/2016/06/16/christina-grimmie-murderer-obsessed-fan/


I note that his co-workers allegedly teased him about his apparent inability to date her. New rule: When your co-worker has irrational obsessions, don't deliberately mess with their heads.

Edit: I just read the truth cat post. This is not the first time I heard the name "Brandy" in connection with the Orlando event. Didn't one of the eyewitnesses mention someone named "Brandy"?