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The Vehicle on the Grassy Knoll - Peter Lemkin - 14-03-2013 Maurice W. Schonfeld was the managing editor of UPI NewsFilm. He later was the founding president of CNN, and has had a long career in television news and production. In 1975 the Columbia Journalism Review published Schonfeld's article The Shadow of a Gunman; An account of a twelve-year investigation of a Kennedy Assassination Film. In that article, Schonfeld writes extensively about Jones Harris and the Nix Film. Excerpt: Stills from the Nix film appeared in the UPI/American Heritage book Four Days, and some of the footage was used in a David Wolper documentary feature movie of the same title. UPI made money on the footage, but no one found it particularly noteworthy until, early in 1965, an assassination buff named Jones Harris came upon stills from the Nix film in the Report of the President's Commission on the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, commonly known as the Warren Report. Harris, a New Yorker of independent means, did not believe that Lee Harvey Oswald had pulled the trigger. He had found a picture that had led him to believe that Oswald was standing in the street in front of the Book Depository at the time of the shooting. Working with Bernie Hoffman, a talented film technician and photographer, he had sought to prove that the man in the street was, indeed, Oswald, but their findings were inconclusive. In some of the pictures published in the Warren Report, Harris found something new. First off, he saw a station wagon with a machine gun mounted on the roof. Such a station wagon did exist in Dallasit was used to advertise a Dallas gun shopand it was Harris's theory that the station wagon and the shop were involved in some way in the Kennedy assassination. Then he found a curious shape on the grassy knoll, a shape that could be read as a man aiming a gun at John F. Kennedy. We gave Harris some of the key stills made from the Nix film. They showed the knoll and, atop the knoll, "the pergola"a concrete structure consisting of two octagonal towers connected by a wall thirty-eight inches high and 100 feet long. In the process of enlarging these stills, two things happened: the station wagon went away and the head, shoulders, arms, and gun of the rifleman was standing behind this car, leaning on it, as he took aim.... Thanks to Paul Rigby for originally posting the link to the above article years ago: http://www.cjr.org/f...nman.php?page=2 The Vehicle on the Grassy Knoll - Peter Lemkin - 31-03-2015 Quote:Peter, My note: It has been some years since I was actively being informed about this as it was happening by Tosh and others involved. I was shocked and upset to learn from Plumlee directly that the car was gone. As he portrayed it [no way for me to independently verify this], it had been in the back yard of a close relative of his; that relative moved (if I remember) and no one wanted to bother with the car care further. I though Tosh should have done this on his own, or found someone who did want to...as it is EVIDENCE in the case.....now destroyed. For years Tosh boasted to me and others in the know that he was saving this important piece of evidence, and then..... I have photos of the car in the yard of Tosh's relative. Some have Tosh and Jay in the photos. The Vehicle on the Grassy Knoll - Dawn Meredith - 31-03-2015 Peter I do not know why you posted an email from Richard. There is some inaccurate info in it to. Richard did NOT learn from Bill Kelly the final resting place of the Rambler. Richard and Bill Kelly learned from me. I learned from J on his death bed. Tosh had no place to store it after his daughter and husband said they could no longer store it. It was not drivable and would have been very expensive to move let alone store. My garage was converted to a soundproof music studio in 1990 so I could not have stored it. Jay was ill with cancer and was living on almost nothing. He had no place to store it. For Richard to diss J like that ...well...I am keeping out of it. Richard is a good friend as was J. It's a shame that this happened as this just may have been Ruth Paine's car. It certainly had many indications and connections to 1963, for those familiar with Richard's manuscript. Dawn The Vehicle on the Grassy Knoll - Peter Lemkin - 31-03-2015 Dawn Meredith Wrote:Peter I do not know why you posted an email from Richard. There is some inaccurate info in it to. Richard did NOT learn from Bill Kelly the final resting place of the Rambler. Richard and Bill Kelly learned from me. I learned from J on his death bed. Tosh had no place to store it after his daughter and husband said they could no longer store it. It was not drivable and would have been very expensive to move let alone store. My garage was converted to a soundproof music studio in 1990 so I could not have stored it. Jay was ill with cancer and was living on almost nothing. He had no place to store it. For Richard to diss J like that ...well...I am keeping out of it. Richard is a good friend as was J. I had to think several times about posting it. It was NOT sent to me privately; there is a very large CAPA email list and it was posted there - though it starts out as if it was only written to me - not so. Only seems that way as I had posted something in answer to someone else and yet another person sent it to Richard and then posted the response. I found some errors in the email...but we learn the truth by hearing different sides of the story. However, the loss of the car is a crying shame. Obviously Jay is not to blame in this matter - he had no place to keep it. Tosh [and his daughter] took control of it...but lost it by their own collective inaction[s]. Tosh got upset at me for getting upset that it had not been saved. It wouldn't take much money to put it in a storage space or on a flatbed and brought to Tosh's home - or some alternative home nearer. Many a JFK researcher in the Austin or Dallas area would have been proud to host that rusty car. Very sad story....any version. The Vehicle on the Grassy Knoll - Drew Phipps - 31-03-2015 Dawn: Is this the car you took me to see back in the 90's? IIRC, someone was trying to raise money to store and/or preserve it... but the documents and provenance of the vehicle wasn't very convincing to me at the time. I recall making (what I thought were helpful) suggestions about how to improve the documentation attached to the vehicle, which weren't at all well received. So I lost interest. The Vehicle on the Grassy Knoll - Dawn Meredith - 01-04-2015 Drew Phipps Wrote:Dawn: Is this the car you took me to see back in the 90's? IIRC, someone was trying to raise money to store and/or preserve it... but the documents and provenance of the vehicle wasn't very convincing to me at the time. I recall making (what I thought were helpful) suggestions about how to improve the documentation attached to the vehicle, which weren't at all well received. So I lost interest. Drew I don't recall this. I do remember that I was trying to find a home for it so it must have been. Ya it could never be traced back to prove it was THE car. (I have not looked at RB's manuscript in decades, which he linked to the email.) OH Peter got ya, it was a group email. I opted out of that group, just no time for group emails. So it was not meant to be private. Dawn The Vehicle on the Grassy Knoll - Peter Lemkin - 02-04-2015 Richard emailed me that he feared the CIA would get the car in the end (and did).... If you have not read through all of his parts on the car, I strongly suggest it! The evidence in this case is mostly all tampered with, disappeared, fake or altered....no wonder it is difficult to solve - add to it that NO ONE in authority ever wanted to 'solve' it [because they all know that means the collapse of their horrible political and financial system - they don't touch it...or make believe they are doing an investigation - anyone doing real investigation meets resistance - as did Garrison....and many who died only for knowing the right thing or doing the right thing...... Anyone who thinks the JFK Assassination is 'ancient history' and doesn't effect you and me and all of us every day now and will into the future...I'd like to sell you my share of the old WTC towers...... 9-11 would NOT have been possible if the events of Dallas had been dealt with. We'd not be having militarized police, endless wars, the rich feeding off the poor more and more, a war OF terror, total surveillance on everything everyone does or says, etc. et al. We have all that and more because it was not dealt with and those who 'did it' became more powerful and bold in secret control of our society and others. The Vehicle on the Grassy Knoll - Drew Phipps - 02-04-2015 If the CIA wanted this car, they could have bought it for a song and a promise from Richard himself back in the early 90's when he was asking for money for the vehicle. My main problems with Richard's thesis back then were: a) Richard said it was Ruth Paine's car. From the beginning of JFK assassination research, everybody but Roger Craig (who never went to look at Ruth Paine's car to see if it was the same car) and apparently Craig's partner Wiseburg(?)/Wizeman(?) (who did go to Ruth Paine's house but didn't see the events at Dealy Plaza like Craig) knew that Ruth Paine owned an entirely different vehicle. The Warren Commission said it was a Chevy station wagon. See for yourself: and b) Now, that doesn't exclude the remote possibility that GG Wing's vehicle was used during the assassination in 1963. However, the title history (that Richard ran) clearly shows Wing bought the car in 1965. Furthermore the Turista sticker is dated 1964, making it at least 39 days too late for a quick getaway vehicle to Mexico. (I offered to run down the history of the Turista sticker for Richard, but he declined. He apparently hasn't managed to give that a shot himself in the last 20 years, either) c) I do not doubt that the car was being used as some sort of showpiece for whatever Wing wanted to show, or remind people of. But Wing never bothered to explain it. The "Red Ripper" angle could have been anybody, including Richard himself. It seems just as likely (to me at least) that Wing, by creating a clever and subtle mystery, was attempting to increase the resale value of his relic. d) the bulk of Richard's work is examining "connections," (...the knee bone is connected to the thigh bone...) which I find to be of minimal and limited probative value, even if interesting. Unfortunately much conspiracy research is of this variety. The Vehicle on the Grassy Knoll - Tracy Riddle - 02-04-2015 I don't know if anyone has posted this earlier. It's about Ruth Paine's station wagon up for sale:[URL="http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/features/2015/03/26/jfk-assassination-oswald-station-wagon-auction/70522738/"] http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/features/2015/03/26/jfk-assassination-oswald-station-wagon-auction/70522738/[/URL] DALLAS The last known automobile in North Texas related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy is up for auction on eBay. "Oh yeah, it's all steel. There's no plastic in this car," said David Garrett from Texas Classic Cars of Dallas. It's a 1955 Chevrolet BelAir station wagon with a unique place in history. "This is a copy of the original registration that Ruth Paine had," explained Garrett. Ruth Paine, who lived in Irving, was close friends with Marina and Lee Harvey Oswald.
The last known automobile in North Texas related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy is up for auction on eBay. News 8's Jason Whitely has more. "What's unique about this is this vehicle actually transported his rifle back to Dallas from where Oswald had been living in New Orleans," said Farris Rookstool III, a JFK historian. "Oswald rode in this vehicle on October 14, 1963 because Ruth was driving him to Dallas so he could try to get this job at the Texas School Book Depository," he continued. Ruth Paine remembers her old Chevy. She's 82 years old, lives in Northern California now and spoke to News 8 on the telephone Thursday. Ms. Paine said she sold the BelAir to a neighbor for $500 in the late 1960s. She said she does remember taking Lee Harvey out in it trying to teach him how to drive just a few weeks before the assassination but he couldn't steer that BelAir very well. Paine's neighbors kept the vehicle in a garage but it has deteriorated over the decades and no longer runs but remains part of the historic puzzle. The auction ends Friday morning. The current bid is up to $10,300 but the reserve price has not yet been met. The Vehicle on the Grassy Knoll - Tracy Riddle - 02-04-2015 As for Roger Craig, I've learned to be a little more skeptical of some of his stories. This is what Harold Weisberg wrote to a fellow researcher in 1970: “Roger Craig may be a brave guy and all of that, but he is also full of what is generally reserved for toilets. I have gone over his annotation of his testimony, as printed, and his account of the changes is utterly impossible. I spent too many years working with court reporters, particularly, the firm the Commission used, to find it possible to credit this in any way. More, have traced that testimony all the way from Dallas to the Government Printing Office, and it is printed as it was taken down, I have copies of the typescript sent to the GPO, and I have the letter of transmittal to DC the bills for taking it, the whole story. Roger is, despite Penn's [Penn Jones] great love for him, at best simply wrong, in the newer areas, what he embellished his original testimony with. Now I have met Roger, and he is a finelooking, clean-cut kind of guy who appears to be truthful, serious and all that-just like dozens of guys I once guarded in an Army locked ward in a large mental institution. He does not impress me as the kind of guy who is out to make trouble. But he is.” |