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JFK: What we know now that we didn't know then - Phil Dragoo - 06-12-2011
The Creation of the "Warren Commission" by Donald Gibson appears on pages 3-17 of The Assassinations edited by James DiEugenio and Lisa Pease. Pages 3-7 are contained in a Probe article linked from Mary Ferrell:
http://www.ctka.net/pr596-gibson.html
The summation by the author is that Johnson was leaving it to Texas until convinced by a number of persons to create a commission.
On the 25th Joseph Alsop made a very persuasive phone call, apparently at the behest of Dean Acheson. Eugene Rostow caused Nicholas Katzenbach to push the proposal, then called himself. Douglas Brinkley teased that he had additional information on Dean Acheson's role from the former's interview with William Bundy, but would not provide same.
The most important part of the coverup is decided by others, and Johnson's role is to follow the program.
Kennedy's NSAM 263 was clear: withdrawal begins now, out by end of 65.
Johnson's NSAM 273 the day after the riderless horse was put away was authored by someone, just not Kennedy. McGeorge Bundy is the presumptive choice of Greg Burnham.
Phoenix the CIA's plan. The Chiefs went to Johnson November 65 for permission to mine Haiphong and bomb Hanoi. He cursed them and threw them out. So he wasn't following the military's advice--and Col. Bui Tin said the main cause for the North's victory was failure to close the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
Likely he was serving CIA with its Phoenix kills of tens of thousands and the trade suggested by the tale of our friend the colonel of being ordered to provide safe passage for a drug convoy out of North Vietnam territory, a visual from Apocalypse Now.
Cronkite's a CIA asset. Losing Cronkite put Johnson on the plane back to his ranch with all the silverware and china.
Hunt was at Dallas; that's the thrust of the Lane trial in Plausible Denial. Helms is wondering in memos how to explain Hunt in Dallas. Helms is asking at morning meetings about "our people" in the Garrison trial of (later) admitted CIA agent Clay Shaw.
68 paved the way for Nixon's victory, and in 72 Helms put Hunt et al on the Watergate mission to bring down Nixon.
Ford could be relied upon to appoint GHWBush in 76, but Ford was not the mastermind of Nixon's downfall.
And Bush has his name on the CIA Center for Intelligence at Langley but his son's DCI didn't last a year.
Goss was gone, because he was a reformer and being CIA means never having to say you're sorry.
Why was Deutch compromising 17,000 files on his unsecure computer open to Russian sites.
John Millis criticized that, but it blew up in his face. Literally.
Obama made all kinds of boasts but found out Dylan was right, even the president of the United States got to serve somebody.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyEysP0nf2o&feature=related
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JFK: What we know now that we didn't know then - A.J. Blocker - 06-12-2011
What if the meeting at Clint Murchison's was called for and arranged at the request of J E Hoover. I believe Hoover was one of the last guests said to have arrived that night.....(Hoover may have been asked to perform the following role)...
What if Hoover presented the group with an announcement that they (the FBI) had extremely reliable information that one or more people/groups/factions were going to attempt to assassinate the president the following day in Dallas.
What if Hoover's declaration to this group of men was to ask of them a simple question:
"would you gentlemen like my bureau to act on this information and stop any assassination attempt".
Every single man in that room would have plausible deniability if asked/questioned about the assassination after the event. They perhaps were not told of any particulars....the How or Where and exactly When .....just that it would take place while JFK was in Dallas....this could explain Gov Connelly's "my god they are going to kill us all" statement.
JFK: What we know now that we didn't know then - Seamus Coogan - 06-12-2011
While I am clearly no saint on the Forums. I have always given as good I've got. But I've also had the good grace to apologise and bury the hatchet when called for. Charles Drago is the same sort of guy. He takes his licks and he is as rough as a buzzards crutch when he's surly. In saying that CD and I are quite similar creatures. I can almost understand Mr Fetzer concerns encountering us. But to take snipes at Jan (as mild a mannered fellow your ever going to meet on any Forum) is quite frankly insane. What I find really, really, really weird about all of this JF is you blow into town. Start making incendiary comments about Nelson and you team up with Hankey. Surely, from last time you'd know that Nelson is not well liked. Nor is Hankey trusted in these here parts. But you kick up a stink about it and play victim. Further that, I have seen comments made by you before to people, which I have been flabbergasted by. In all honesty, I don't think CD or myself are a patch on you when you get going. Nor do I think you can take what you dish out however mildly. It is almost as if it is attention seeking behaviour.
JFK: What we know now that we didn't know then - Stan Wilbourne - 06-12-2011
I'm not sure why the issue of LBJ's involvement gets so complicated.
Mastermind? LBJ? Nah. Another finger in the hand of the Puppet Master? Yeah. I'll go along with that.
The investigation into LBJ's dirty politics before 11-22-63, was that even real? "Johnson would've gone to jail had it not been for the murder."
Really? I wonder.
And the selection of Dallas to murder President Kennedy. Why there? Because it was easier? Because of the corruption of Texas politics? Was it any more difficult in Memphis or Los Angeles?
The Sponsors wanted the LBJ "Mastermind" appearance for later consumption. I doubt Johnson was ever close to jail. I doubt Dallas was selected because of ease of operation. All part of the theater of the assassination. Sit back, ladies and gentlemen, for ACT XCIX.
Charles, I appreciate the passion you bring to this case and to this board. There are instances where there is no place for compromise.
Phil, move over Johnny Depp. You're probably the coolest guy ever.
JFK: What we know now that we didn't know then - Charles Drago - 06-12-2011
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:Charles, I appreciate the passion you bring to this case and to this board. There are instances where there is no place for compromise.
Phil, move over Johnny Depp. You're probably the coolest guy ever.
Thank you, Stan.
Hot and cool -- McLean and Desmond ... Adams and Mulligan ... Miles and Chet ... 'Trane and Prez ...
Works for me.
JFK: What we know now that we didn't know then - Albert Doyle - 06-12-2011
It's possible some kind of meeting happened at Murchison's but being a weak source Madeleine Brown got some of the details wrong.
JFK: What we know now that we didn't know then - Seamus Coogan - 06-12-2011
Albert Doyle Wrote:It's possible some kind of meeting happened at Murchison's but being a weak source Madeleine Brown got some of the details wrong.
I doubt very much anything happened at the Murchisons buddy. Full stop.
JFK: What we know now that we didn't know then - Phil Dragoo - 06-12-2011
Dave Brubeck born this day in another America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwNrmYRiX_o&noredirect=1
Took five in 1961 the year Allen Dulles resigned the month the CIA on Viagra Mongoosed the beard.
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Charles is the caliph of cool. I can provide all the cowbell Christopher Walkens craves.
When any Landslide beside Stevie Nicks is promoted, a counterforce is prompted.
Or as they say on the street, "Cool it, the Seamus."
JFK: What we know now that we didn't know then - James H. Fetzer - 06-12-2011
Peter,
Since you are among the only relatively open minds here, I have to ask: Have you read LBJ: MASTERMIND OF JFK'S ASSASSINATION? TEXAS IN THE MORNING? A TEXAS LEGEND? BLOOD, MONEY & POWER? "The Last Confessions of E. Howard Hunt"? Jack Ruby's remarks after his arrest? Because I see no evidence you have. And why is it that those who knew him "up close and personal" understand it but those on this forum do not? I would expect this kind of response from newbies, not from those on the DPF. If you don't look for evidence, you certainly aren't going to find any.
Jim
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Charles Drago Wrote:And the <em>eminence grise</em> behind it all ... plus the anti-Roosevelt coup, the Lincoln plot, the murders of Tiberius and Gaius Gracchi and Julius Caesar ... Mastermind Lyndon Baines Johnson.
There is no doubt that LBJ played a vital role in the cover up, as he knew or was told he had to [they had him by the proverbial gonads on several scandals!]; however, I see little evidence he played any role in setting the plot rolling or in setting it up. He might have had some foreknowledge from the real planners just some days or weeks before the events. His job, as I see it, was AFTER - starting immediately after - with his being sworn in when he didn't even have to be; reversing the Kennedy NSAM on Vietnam indecently and immediately after the murder - and setting much of the above ground cover-up in progress. But even in that role, he was the front man for those who had planned the murder and the cover up in the shadows. When LBJ chose not to run again, it was made to seem as if the anti-Vietnam protests had brought him down. I think not. He felt he had failed to contain the protesters and protests and those that had most to benefit from that [and all] war might well take him out, as they had JFK.....so he got the hell out of the firing range. He was just a pawn and player.....not the mastermind.
JFK: What we know now that we didn't know then - Seamus Coogan - 06-12-2011
Phil Dragoo Wrote:Dave Brubeck born this day in another America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwNrmYRiX_o&noredirect=1
Took five in 1961 the year Allen Dulles resigned the month the CIA on Viagra Mongoosed the beard.
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Charles is the caliph of cool. I can provide all the cowbell Christopher Walkens craves.
When any Landslide beside Stevie Nicks is promoted, a counterforce is prompted.
Or as they say on the street, "Cool it, the Seamus."
Cool it the Seamus hahahahahahahahahhaaahahahahah.