Tracy Riddle Wrote:In Hosty's book, he talks about attack planes being sent toward Cuba at the same time Oswald was being arrested, but then they were recalled. This certainly sounds like some of the plotters were standing on go ready to hit Cuba, but other people higher up put a stop to it.

It may very well be that the Castro link was a diversion to facilitate the cover-up, or maybe it was how they recruited some people in the military/CIA/Cuban exile/Organized crime communities to participate. I just don't know. But they went to a lot of trouble to frame Oswald, when they could have framed some garden-variety non-political nut with a history of mental problems.

Jim DiEugenio Wrote:

Tracy Riddle Wrote:In Hosty's book, he talks about attack planes being sent toward Cuba at the same time Oswald was being arrested, but then they were recalled. This certainly sounds like some of the plotters were standing on go ready to hit Cuba, but other people higher up put a stop to it.

It may very well be that the Castro link was a diversion to facilitate the cover-up, or maybe it was how they recruited some people in the military/CIA/Cuban exile/Organized crime communities to participate. I just don't know. But they went to a lot of trouble to frame Oswald, when they could have framed some garden-variety non-political nut with a history of mental problems.

What is his evidence for that?

Jim DiEugenio Wrote:

Tracy Riddle Wrote:In Hosty's book, he talks about attack planes being sent toward Cuba at the same time Oswald was being arrested, but then they were recalled. This certainly sounds like some of the plotters were standing on go ready to hit Cuba, but other people higher up put a stop to it.

It may very well be that the Castro link was a diversion to facilitate the cover-up, or maybe it was how they recruited some people in the military/CIA/Cuban exile/Organized crime communities to participate. I just don't know. But they went to a lot of trouble to frame Oswald, when they could have framed some garden-variety non-political nut with a history of mental problems.

What is his evidence for that?

Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Don:

I am beginning to come around to your way of thinking here (and Drago's).

This stems back to Scott's ancient--and perhaps diliapidated--old Phase One Phase two paradigm.

I am beginning to think that this was fundamentally wrong. And for more than one reason.

First, in all of the material I have read in the immediate hours and days following the murder, I can detect no real effort to get an invasion of Cuba going. I mean where was the Northwoods provocation? Would that not have been the perfect thing to do here in conjunction with the JFK murder?

Second, the attempts to link Oswald with the Cuban G2 were so amateurish as to be amateur night in nature. Not one of them was ever taken seriously.

Third, where was the renewed effort afterward to revive MONGOOSE?

See, as I denote in my book Destiny Betrayed, Kennedy had essentially abandoned MONGOOSE after the Misisle Crisis. In fact, the CIA told LBJ in the summer of 1964, that it was not worth sustaining anymore and recommended it be abandoned.

This is one reason that, at the Wecht Conference, i did a one hour talk about JFK's foreign policy without ever dealing with Cuba at all! And only tangentially dealing with Vietnam. Since I have come to look at Vietnam and Cuba not in isolation, or even as paired, but as extensions of a Gestalt foreign policy view that had already been formed prior to Kennedy becoming president. And if one understands that, then everything that followed becomes of a piece with everything else.

Debra Conway wants me to repeat that talk in Dallas and I think I will.

David Josephs Wrote:Agreed Charles... Cuba had little if anything to do with the "hit".

In July 1960 TEXTRON* buys BELL HELICOPTER after Mr Thompson, a Vice-President at THE FIRST NATIONAL BANK of BOSTON meets with members of the CIA to discuss the feasibility of such a purchase.
Rubert C Thompson JR is the TEXTRON CEO (related to the Bank's Thompson??) at the time with one G. William Miller (a lawyer at Cravath, Swain and Moore: John McCloy partner) is President
Another PARTNER Roswell Gilpatrick becomes the #2 man at the Dept of Def under McNamara

*Textron founded by ROYAL LITTLE, nephew of Arthur D Little using his uncle's banking connections at the BANK OF BOSTON for the purpose of disrupting the textile industry of the american north east.

At the time, Bell was almost $100,000,000 in debt and had lost 50% of its revenue between 1953-1959.

TEXTRON had been operating as the first conglomerate with funds provided by the Bank of BOSTON with help and oversight by SUN LIFE of MONTREAL (Sun Alliance Insurance Group of London) - which has direct connections to SPONSOR-level candidates: (Rothschild/Astor/Morgan)

The high-technology branch of Textron operations
began quietly in Massachusetts in 1946 as the American
Research and Development Corporation, a three million
dollar venture-capital firm. It was founded by the Sun
Life Assurance of London through its Boston operative.
Paul F. Clark. president of the John Hancock Life Insurance
Company and director of First National of
Boston, the bank whose extraordinary largess built
Textron


In early Fall 1960, PRUDENTIAL LIFE INSURANCE (a Morgan affiliate) loans TEXTRON $25 million in UNSECURED NOTES with a 6-year grace period on payments.

Using these funds, TEXTRON BUYS BELL HELICOPTER for $32 million - considered a TERRIBLE DEAL at full book value. Between 1961 and 1963 orders for BELL increase 50% - this is BEFORE LBJ reverses JFK's NSAM and escalates the war.


Why??

In July 1960 General Cabell (ring a bell?) of the CIA is attempting to get a squadren of attack helicopters being used in LAOS to Vietnam where the CIA has been messing around there since the early 50's. He calls Prouty who tells him that since the NSC has not ordered it, it can't be done unless covertly... and they wouldn't do it since they were not replacing machinery at its destination.

The "Special Group - 5412/12" is called (Dulles is chairman) who approve the covert movement of these helicopters to Vietnam.... and in turn creates a void behind these helicopters that nows needs refilling....

Bell Helicopters and their support in a location ill suited for helicopter warfare costs the US not only billion$$ in parts and purchases, but account for the majority of casualties... 50% of which are NON-BATTLE RELATED - the helicopters simply failed.

Thousand and thousands of BELL HELICOPTERS worth billion$$ to TEXTRON makes their modest $32M investment look as if they could read the future.... that they KNEW there would be a demand... and if I remember correctly there were BELL facilities in Ft Worth along with the TSX facility... thanks to McNamara and friends.

TEXTRON goes on to expand vertically and horizontally within the market. While TEXTRON was a "buy it - strip it - sell it" type of company... BELL allowed TEXTRON to enter their next round of acquisitions: defense and machine tool companies. BELL ultimately enters a variety of DEFENSE related industries bought via TEXTRON and with the capital provided and approved at the SPONSOR level of this assassination.
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What we get a glimpse of here is the M.I.I.C. revolving door with strings pulled from the CFR/Int'l banker seats in the major financial centers around the world - yet all money roads lead to Rothschild (Morgan and Rockefeller two of the most visual of the Rothschild US expansion and major players in the creation of the CFR and Fed Res Bank)

One must remember that a little profit is not the point, a GOOD return is NOT THE POINT. These SPONSORS wish only to completely dominate their market and maximize their investment - no matter the consequence.

The CIA (and the related MIIC) knew in 1960 that Vietnam was not going away... the CIA had created a no win situation in the "conflict" yet a BIG WIN situation for the SPONSORS... the owners of the MIIC entities.

With his NSAM designed to bring troops/advisors home by Xmas 1963 and out of Vietnam by 1965... the Sun>Bank of BOSTON>TEXTRON>Bell players stood to lose their investment - which imo was of no concern compared to the loss of guaranteed profits in the billions once the conflict escalated.

Much like the PUT OPTIONS bought just prior to 911... the purchase of BELL would have been a catastophic loss had the war ended and JFK got his agenda going for an end to the Cold War.

This is the tip of the SPONSOR iceberg. Imagine 50 or 100 TEXTRON's funded via Sun and supported via a network of Banks, Insurance/Assurance companies, law firms, media outlets and MIIC players: the Facilitators/False Sponsors who make it APPEAR like business as usual...

Sadly, it was and continues to be. SPONSORS are never touched or really even known, by design.
Yet with entities like TEXTRON and the cast of players around them, the faint outline of the puppet masters begin to be seen...

DJ


(the source of the information originated for me in Prouty's book on JFK, CIA and Vietnam which led me to an article written by Lyndon LaRouche about TEXTRON's textile asset-stripping plan.
http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1978/eirv05n04-19780131/eirv05n04-19780131_028-gw_miller_and_textron_a_study_in.pdf

I then went and researched the different names and entities mentioned to find the connections between LITTLE, Bank of BOSTON, G.W. Miller, Cravath/Swain/Moore, McCloy, SUN Financial of Montreal... etc.

I realize tha LaRouches has some very different POVs on the subject... what I was more interested in were the players, and the understanding that the decision makers for the DoD, the funding BANKS, the LAW FIRMS and the related support companies all eminate from a central location.... The Rothschild/Astor/Morgan and by default Rockefeller dynasties while the actual NAMES of those making the decisions are probably never known, and never will be.

SPONSORS = MONEY & the LAW
FACILITATORS = PATRIOTS & Cold Warriors
MECHANICS = SURVIVE & follow ORDERS

Don Jeffries Wrote:Charles is completely right here, I believe. We've been distracted by "anti-Castro" Cuban figures for far too long. If "Cuba" was an important issue for the conspirators who killed JFK, why did they abandon the whole thing afterwards? Cuba, and Castro, basically went into hibernation, in terms of American politics and American foreign policy, after JFK was assassinated.

If JFK was killed because he wouldn't overthrow or assassinate Castro, why wasn't any attempt made to oust Castro under the LBJ or Nixon administrations? If JFK was killed so that Castro would be eliminated as well, the conspirators certainly couldn't have felt they succeeded.