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Operation forty pic - Peter Lemkin - 10-07-2014
Scott Kaiser Wrote:It appears someone was trying to send me an email though this site, if you would please send to my private address at scott-kaiser@hotmail.com, I cannot not get email on this site due to my pop up blocker, thanks.
One can get one's PM messages EVEN IF YOU USE POP-UP BLOCKER...all you have to do is go to the top of the Forum screen and use the drop-down for private messages, manually. As a member here, those who run the Forum are not obligated to use special means to contact any member. If one uses a pop-up blocker, you likely will see a box trying to open when you first log in, or a box that says that it can't access your message - just go to it manually, since you blocked it opening automatically. Look at your PMs.
Operation forty pic - R.K. Locke - 10-07-2014
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Operation forty pic - Peter Lemkin - 10-07-2014
R.K. Locke Wrote:
I would submit that this photo, which I can verify is Tosh Plumlee has similar hairline and eyebrows, face structure, etc. to the person seen partly hiding his face in the photo of many covert operatives at a restaurant. Could it be yet someone else - I suppose so. Could it be Sturgis - I think very unlikely, on hairline and eyebrows alone. Sturgis also had a much rounder face than Plumlee. This photo to the best of my memory was a very few years before 1963. There are experts who could best determine this, and computer programs that can assist. I have zero stake in it being anyone; other than trying to get to the truth of this, and other matters related to it. This matter was already covered in another thread and is being dragged up anew here.
Operation forty pic - Drew Phipps - 10-07-2014
I compared, with my pixel counting software, the operation 40 pic with images of Plumlee and Sturgis. Mathematically the part of the face more closely matches Plumlee. However, when you allow for a 2 pixel error factor (since the pic is digitized you can't tell if the last pixel on each end of a string of pixels is totally filled, half filled, of just partly filled), mathematically at least, Sturgis cannot be eliminated.
The other thread contains this information.
Operation forty pic - Peter Lemkin - 10-07-2014
Drew Phipps Wrote:I compared, with my pixel counting software, the operation 40 pic with images of Plumlee and Sturgis. Mathematically the part of the face more closely matches Plumlee. However, when you allow for a 2 pixel error factor (since the pic is digitized you can't tell if the last pixel on each end of a string of pixels is totally filled, half filled, of just partly filled), mathematically at least, Sturgis cannot be eliminated.
The other thread contains this information.
While this sounds very 'scientific', you are not explaining what in the world you are measuring - which features/boundaries/distances or other features/all features/some features or other. How does this deal with things the eye and brain can 'see', such as hairline, eyebrow thickness and facial shape? I know professionals first rotate the heads, using 3D software, until they match in size and orientation; then they have special distances they measure - such as pupil to pupil, pupil to nose; nose to mouth and other such combinations. If someone has some spare money, they can pay such persons to do this analysis - but one needs to give at least one and as many as you want other photos of one to any number of other persons to match against. Some forensic police work has already been done for free by persons interested in covert operations, and they might be interested in this one too. The same software is available to others, but one has to know how to use it. I know I don't to any professional level.
Operation forty pic - Albert Doyle - 10-07-2014
In Scott's own comparison photos Sturgis's left eyebrow almost completely disappears as you go outward. The man hiding his face has a thick left eyebrow all the way to the end.
Operation forty pic - Tom Bowden - 10-07-2014
Nothing like a good disagreement between people especially concerning three dimensional objects taken with a two dimensional view. I am amazed by people measuring objects in photographs and expecting accurate results, even those with something to compare directly. Any tilt of the head in the third plane and change in lighting affects the results in photographic comparisons. I prefer to have the subject state if it is him and then try to ascertain if he is telling the truth.
Operation forty pic - Dawn Meredith - 10-07-2014
Tom Bowden Wrote:Nothing like a good disagreement between people especially concerning three dimensional objects taken with a two dimensional view. I am amazed by people measuring objects in photographs and expecting accurate results, even those with something to compare directly. Any tilt of the head in the third plane and change in lighting affects the results in photographic comparisons. I prefer to have the subject state if it is him and then try to ascertain if he is telling the truth.
I do not know of Tosh ever denying it. Back when I first joined EF in 04 and "met" Tosh he was working with a brilliant poster Tim Carroll, who sadly died in 06. It was well known then that this was Tosh. Tosh and I became friends because of his long standing friendship- from the 50's- with my deep cover pal Jay Harrison. (Who also passed 5/25/05. I miss him every day). Jay knew this was Tosh. So did Simkin which is where I first saw the pic.
And I totally agree about the hairline. It matches Tosh not Sturgis.
Operation forty pic - Drew Phipps - 10-07-2014
Peter Lemkin Wrote:While this sounds very 'scientific', you are not explaining what in the world you are measuring - which features/boundaries/distances or other features/all features/some features or other.
If you look at the other thread I did mention that.
Operation forty pic - Magda Hassan - 10-07-2014
Drew Phipps Wrote:If some one can give me a link to the other thread I will merge them since they are about the same subject.Peter Lemkin Wrote:While this sounds very 'scientific', you are not explaining what in the world you are measuring - which features/boundaries/distances or other features/all features/some features or other.
If you look at the other thread I did mention that.