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Appeals Court rules Dallas must allow conspiracy vendors at Dealey Plaza - Adele Edisen - 06-03-2013
http://www.wfaa.com/jfk/Court-rules-for-JFK-conspiracy-vendor-at-Dealey-Plaza-against-city-195439101.html
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Appeals Court rules Dallas must allow conspiracy vendors at Dealey Plaza
Tue, March 5, 2013 7:38:04 PM
Appeals Court rules Dallas must allow conspiracy vendors at Dealey Plaza
From: Ed T
> Court rules Dallas must allow conspiracy vendors at Dealey Plaza.
>
> by BRAD WATSON
> WFAA
> Updated today at 6:07 PM
>
> (The case was decided by Judge Kristin Wade, of the Dallas County Criminal
> Court of Appeals.)
>
> DALLAS -- An appellate court ruled Tuesday that the city of Dallas must stop
> an enforcement effort against JFK conspiracy vendors selling materials at
> Dealey Plaza ahead of the 50th anniversary of Kennedy's assassination.
>
> The Dallas County Criminal Court of Appeals ruled in favor of Robert Groden,
> a longtime conspiracy theorist and vendor who was arrested in
> 2010 for selling merchandise in Dealey Plaza. The appellate court upheld a
> lower court's decision to toss the city's case out.
>
> "It's a matter of free speech, it's a First Amendment issue," Groden said.
> "The city wanted us out of here; it didn't want anyone giving an alternative
> point of view about the Kennedy assassination."
>
> Workers are already laying new sod at Dealey Plaza in an effort to upgrade
> the area before Nov. 22, the anniversary of John F. Kennedy's death. In
> 2010, police arrested Groden for selling merchandise at a park, claiming
> that vendors harassed visitors.
>
> But the judge pointed out that the city doesn't list Dealey Plaza as a park,
> and there wasn't a way to get a sales permit. The city told News 8 it won't
> appeal further.
>
> So the vendors remain and some visitors like Peter Crowell from Punta Gorda,
> Fla., support them.
>
> "Well, first of all, it's the United States of America. You know, I mean,
> these are all protected rights that we all have," he said.
>
> Since Groden's arrest, the City Council revised the law to allow the sale of
> First Amendment-protected items.
>
> On the anniversary, The 50th Committee expects 5,000 tickets to be available
> for the event. About two thirds of those will be handed out to the public at
> random. But Groden is already skeptical if conspiracy buffs will be
> included.
>
> "Who determines who gets the tickets?," Groden wondered.
>
> The Dealey Plaza renovation should be finished by the end of March,
> according to the contractor, Dallas-based Phoenix Restoration and
> Construction.
Adele
Appeals Court rules Dallas must allow conspiracy vendors at Dealey Plaza - Jim DiEugenio - 06-03-2013
This is an important ruling.
And everyone should be talking about it.
A key finding was that Dealey Plaza is not listed as a park by the city.
That is really important. Not just concerning Groden. But the power play set up by Rawlings and the Power Elite for the 50th.
How are they going to defend against that finding if we decide to sue for equal access?
Hold on to your hats. WE may be there in front of the international mass media at the annointed hour on the 22nd.
Gary Mack, Rawlings and Ruth A and her pals may have overplayed their hand.
Appeals Court rules Dallas must allow conspiracy vendors at Dealey Plaza - Magda Hassan - 06-03-2013
Congratulations to Robert Groden for his fearless and persistent defence of his rights and the truth.
Appeals Court rules Dallas must allow conspiracy vendors at Dealey Plaza - Jim DiEugenio - 06-03-2013
Yes, Bob deserves kudos for that.
I would like to find out who the attorney was. He did a fine job.
I think it was Brad Kizzia.
Appeals Court rules Dallas must allow conspiracy vendors at Dealey Plaza - Jim DiEugenio - 06-03-2013
The attorney was Brad Kizzia, as I thought it was.
He says this will help both the civil case that Groden has and any legal action we may decide to take about the 22nd.
Appeals Court rules Dallas must allow conspiracy vendors at Dealey Plaza - Adele Edisen - 06-03-2013
And it was a woman judge who handed down the ruling, Judge Kristin Wade.
Adele
Appeals Court rules Dallas must allow conspiracy vendors at Dealey Plaza - Peter Lemkin - 06-03-2013
Since I know you read this Forum - DID YOU GET THAT LOUD AND CLEAR MR. DUNKEL? [Benedict Arnold] :curtain:
Congratulations to RG and Justice [rarely seen these days in Amerika!]
Occupy the Plaza and **** the plans of the 'city' and ''museum'' to peddle the Big Lie! Let the truth out and the sunshine in!
Appeals Court rules Dallas must allow conspiracy vendors at Dealey Plaza - Jim Hackett II - 06-03-2013
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Since I know you read this Forum - DID YOU GET THAT LOUD AND CLEAR MR. DUNKEL? [Benedict Arnold] :curtain:
Congratulations to RG and Justice [rarely seen these days in Amerika!]
Occupy the Plaza and **** the plans of the 'city' and ''museum'' to peddle the Big Lie! Let the truth out and the sunshine in!
And thank You Bob and all involved to support all our rights of free speech and free thought.
Even in the flippin' face of the enemy and the Confuseum. A serious body blow to Big D, not the people of Tejas.
Hooray.
I think it is time for us to realize the vast majority of people's opinion in this matter don't differ except on one central point.
Opinions are not conclusions.
I arrived at a conclusion from an opinion of conspiracy because I wanted to end the conundrum and knew to do it for myself by digging. The proofs are there to be exposed to the opinion holders.
The misinformation junk from the Big Money Confuseum and Nolan and Pose-ner and Dunkel and Bugsy is missing the butts let alone the target. This pleases me on a childish level, but there it is.:pinkelephant:
Appeals Court rules Dallas must allow conspiracy vendors at Dealey Plaza - Peter Lemkin - 07-03-2013
Robert Groden's not done battling the city of Dallas over his right to sell
JFK conspiracy materials in Dealey Plaza
http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/2013/03/robert-grodens-not-done-battling-
the-city-of-dallas-over-his-right-to-sell-jfk-conspiracy-materials-in-dealey
-plaza.html/
or
http://tinyurl.com/b8r55b4
By Robert Wilonsky
For close to two decades the city of Dallas and Robert Groden have been at
odds over his right to set up a table at Dealey Plaza from which he sells
his DVDs, magazines and books insisting John Kennedy was killed by a cast of
co-conspirators. For now, at least, that battle has come to an
end: As noted below, in recent days a Dallas County Criminal Court of
Appeals upheld a municipal court judge's December 2010 decision to toss out
the city's case against Groden, who never left Dealey Plaza despite dozens
of arrests and even more warnings. But the case is far from closed.
From the files, this photo of Groden taping down the "X" in the center of
Elm St. that marks the spot where JFK was fatally shot
In June 2010 Groden filed a federal suit against the city that alleged,
among other things, malicious prosecution. That case was put on hold while
the city and Groden duked it out elsewhere.
"But now that we have this ruling, we can look ahead to federal court,"
says Groden, who served as the staff photographic consultant to the House
Select Committee on Assassinations and was a consultant on Oliver Stone's
JFK. "And now we're hoping to show beyond any question that what the city
did was wrong. .. This has been going on for 14 years, this degree of
harassment, and it has to stop."
Over the years Groden's been given 80 citations for illegally peddling his
wares on city-controlled parks property, and 80 times those citations were
tossed. The city long claimed that Dealey Plaza was a municipal park over
which it had total authority, but as Dallas Municipal Judge Carrie Chavez
ruled in December 2010, the site of the assassination is never mentioned in
the Dallas City Code. So she tossed the case. (Chavez, incidentally, is no
longer a municipal judge: She wasn't recommended for rehire last summer
during those contentions muni judge back-and-forths at City Hall.)
As you can read below, on February 15 Judge Kristen Wade of the County
Criminal Court of Appeals ruled that Chavez was absolutely right in her
initial ruling. In documents filed in federal court last week,
(now-outgoing) Dallas City Attorney Tom Perkins wrote that Dallas "will not
further appeal the municipal court's order quashing the misdemeanor
information against Groden. Therefore, the City cannot further prosecute Mr.
Groden in with respect to his actions that gave rise to that misdemeanor
charge."
"The city was just plain wrong," says Groden, who believes his persecution
and prosecution was led by the city in concert with the Sixth Floor Museum
at Dealey Plaza. "As we get closer and closer to November 22, it's becoming
more and more obvious the city and the Sixth Floor Museum are trying to
censor what we're trying to say - that there was an alternative. We're
saying, 'Think, look at the evidence.' And the Sixth Floor doesn't want you
to see the evidence."
And Groden says he has more: Upcoming, he promises, is his latest book
JFK: Absolute Proof, which has "tons of new evidence I couldn't talk about
before," he says. If you need a copy he'll be out in Dealey Plaza, where
he's been for years - now, with a judge's blessing. Of course, still in
question is whether he'll be there on November 22 .
"For 49 years now people like myself and the Coalition of Political
Assassinations have kept the issues of the assassination alive and done very
respectful observations on the anniversary of the assassination for
49 years," he says. "Now it's the magic 50, and the city can make money off
it and they want to take it over and pretend like they've been doing their
job all these years. But people are aware of what the city's trying to do;
they know there's a degrees of censorship related to Dealey Plaza. But
people want to know the truth."
Click here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/128910298/City-v-Robert-Groden-Docs