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JFK: Will We Ever Know the Truth? - Adele Edisen - 24-05-2013
This video may be a duplicate, but it's worth watching again.
JFK: Will We Ever Know the Truth? (Video)
by Russ Baker with Abby Martin
Video: 11:25 minutes long
Sorry. I forgot to include the link to the video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYgFGFU3iPM
Adele
JFK: Will We Ever Know the Truth? - David Josephs - 25-05-2013
I kinda get the feeling the correct question is:
Will we ever ACCEPT the truth..?.
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The Waters of Knowledge
versus
The Waters of Uncertainty
Mass Denial in the Assassination of President Kennedy
by E. Martin Schotz
I want to read to you some of the thoughts Bishop Conedera expressed in his April 24th speech. Amongst other things he said,
"The root of humanity's downfall and disgrace comes from the deliberate opposition to truth ... this reality that has been intentionally deformed in our country throughout thirty-six years of war against the people.
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The TRUTH is there was a coup d'etat and one of the most blantant cover-ups of all time.... a cover-up that remains to this day.
American Politics rule #1: No matter how paranoid you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you can imagine
rule #2: Never believe anything until it has been officially denied
WCR conclusions:
9. The Commission has found noevidence that either Lee Harvey
Oswald or Jack Ruby was part of anyconspiracy, domestic or foreign,
to assassinate President Kennedy
DENY A RELATIONSHIP & CONSPIRACY
11. On the basis of the evidencebefore the Commission it concludes
that. Oswald acted alone
DENY THERE WERE ANY OTHERS - ERGO NO CONSPIRACY
10. In its entire investigation theCommission has found no evidence
of conspiracy, subversion, ordisloyalty to the U.S. Government by
any Federal, State, or local official
DENY THE U.S. HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT & NO CONSPIRACY
Peace
DJ
JFK: Will We Ever Know the Truth? - Magda Hassan - 25-05-2013
David Josephs Wrote:I kinda get the feeling the correct question is:Yes! I agree David. The truth is well known and can even be found in the Warren Commission report. But the fairy tale is still pushed.
Will we ever ACCEPT the truth..?.
JFK: Will We Ever Know the Truth? - David Josephs - 25-05-2013
Magda Hassan Wrote:David Josephs Wrote:I kinda get the feeling the correct question is:Yes! I agree David. The truth is well known and can even be found in the Warren Commission report. But the fairy tale is still pushed.
Will we ever ACCEPT the truth..?.
So what does knowing the truth look like? and how does that differ from accepting it?
...knowing that each and every day there are many, many in a position of power who are misusing that power.
...knowing that Colin Powell stood up to the WORLD and lied his ass off for his president and country at the cost of billions $$ and thousands of lives lost, millions of people affected.
What used to be the victim of technology and time - knowledge - is now instantaneous.
What used to be the creation of 5 million pages to hide what was in 50,000 is now 5 Trillion bits of info to hide the same 50,000....
We KNOW it, we SEE it, yet there seems little that can be done that results in change anymore...
Does anyone else here feel like Obama is a fairly poor excuse for a break from the more obvious thieves and villians who will be returning to a DC office sooner than later
while possibly being the finests of all cover-ups.... THEY think we're changing things...
Seems to me we're being fooled again, and again, and again and........
"Won't Get Fooled Again"
We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!
I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
Though I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya?
There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Are now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
JFK: Will We Ever Know the Truth? - Magda Hassan - 25-05-2013
David Josephs Wrote:Meet the new bossSame system. It is perpetuated by those who benefit from it. Meanwhile every one is given the illusion of choice and get to vote on 'Dancing with the Stars' Even that is probably rigged.
Same as the old boss
JFK: Will We Ever Know the Truth? - Nathaniel Heidenheimer - 25-05-2013
The False Mystery obviates the media as messenger. When that fact is exploited rather than fatalistically accepted, but not a second before that happns, the truth will be known, in its important political sense as history tested by a freed public sphere.
JFK: Will We Ever Know the Truth? - Phil Dragoo - 25-05-2013
Russ Baker sets the table quite clearly: John F. Kennedy is treated as nondescript when he was the most radical president of that century. He and his brother Robert had a broad agenda which threatened a wide array of interests: oil men, resource extraction industry, pentagon, organized crime.
Control of the narrative by controlling the media and the textbooks and the universities cements the cover.
Abby mentions the Justice Department, keep your friends there and everything you do is legal. Justice Department lawyers flipped off Mark Rudd's Maoist chanters at the Nixon Counterinagural. Look at what Ramsey Clark would do in '68.
The Warren Commission was the Dulles Commission. Allen Dulles was the most active member, with Gerry Ford who would take over when Helms used McCord, Hunt, Sturgis, Barker et al to oust Nixonafter the deaths of two other terra cotta warriors by "heart attack" John Edgar Hoover, Lyndon Baines Johnson.
Truth? See how "truth" fares in Eric Blair's 1984. Is there a Big Brother. Has Oceania always been allied with Eurasia and at war with Eastasia. Does the Brotherhood under Emanuel Goldstein exist.
We are dealing with a ruthless cabal and its control of what Russ Baker terms the narrative. Is not history written by the victors. Though the majority knows there was a conspiracy, the cabal refusesand will always refuseto admit it, such admission being identical to its relinquishing of power.
The Commission came from Dean Acheson and friends (perhaps Rostow, others) per Donald Gibson. And Acheson's daughter was married to Willian Bundy who with brother McGeorge were Dulles' men in the Kennedy administration.
Baker speaks to the danger posed, the years of planning.
Was not the Bay of Pigs a provocation, to embarrass, humiliate and smear Kennedy as "a traitor"certainly it created a small army of willing assassins waiting only for their CIA handlers' green lightespecially after leaking the efforts at demarche with Castro.
Dulles' history of work on behalf of powerful clients is clear. Many references among them Evica's Arrogance, Colby & Dennett's Thy Will Be DoneBaker mentions "resource exploiters"it is said Kissinger advised David Rockefeller to remove Kennedy to better access the resources of Southeast Asia.
Is not petitioning the CIA to release files absurdthe agency will never do sothe last director to speak frankly ended his life in a Kabuki canoe.
As David suggests, the question is not will we ever know the truth.
It is whether we will treat the purveyors of the Big Lie as we would the Long Island Railway Killer who cross examined eyewitnesses as though he weren't a mass murderer.
Baker incredibly wonders whether Obama will behave any differentlyhow is Morley faring with his attempts to get the Joannides filesany help from Obama.
The state just built a million square foot data center in Utah. The president uses drones to murder. The drones carry the ARGUS IS camera system which can track multiple targets in an urban environment. There are intrusive security measures used at airports, and on citizens in their attempts to utilize their First Amendment rights.
There is a return to a monarchic rule, the technology and public relations are advanced, but the song remains the same.
We know the truth: a conspiracy, a crossfire, a cover-up, a coup d'etat.
We discuss the details yet share that common observation.
It is not a theory.
It is the truth.
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We saw them do this in Chicago in '69 between the Nixon Counterinaugural and the SDS Days of Rage. This version is the year the three surveillance teams left the Giancana home and someone put one in The Man's head and six under his chin to prevent his testimony to Congress.
JFK: Will We Ever Know the Truth? - Albert Doyle - 25-05-2013
Will we ever act on the truth we know?
Those people are still in power.
JFK: Will We Ever Know the Truth? - Adele Edisen - 25-05-2013
Albert Doyle Wrote:Will we ever act on the truth we know?
Those people are still in power.
Al, you are rght, they are in power right now, but our children's generation may learn the truth, so please don't give up hope.
Some of us already know the truth, as Phil has said:
Quote:We know the truth: a conspiracy, a crossfire, a cover-up, a coup d'etat.
We discuss the details yet share that common observation.
It is not a theory.
It is the truth.
Adele
JFK: Will We Ever Know the Truth? - Tracy Riddle - 26-05-2013
There have been so many crimes and coverups since Dallas, and there were so many before. The JFK assassination is just one piece of the puzzle in the story of the American Empire, like the assassination of the Gracchi brothers was just one step in the growth of the Roman Empire.
The National Security State is a cancer that has grown enormously since 1963. I'm convinced that they tried to get WWIII going in 1963, 1967 and many other times.
Around 1:50pm CST on 11/22/1963, says FBI Agent James Hosty, "I learned after the assassination from two independent sources [that] fully armed warplanes were sent screaming toward Cuba. Just before they entered Cuban airspace, they were hastily called back...the entire US military went on alert. The Pentagon ordered us to Defense Condition 3...Def Con 3..." (Assignment Oswald p219)
Jim Nanjo, a retired US Air Force pilot, told Peter Hounam in 2002 about his experience in the early hours of June 8 1967, at the 744 Bomb Squadron, part of 456 Strategic Air Wing, at Beale Air Force Base, California, north of Sacramento. He was part of the air crew of a B52 bomber carrying nuclear weapons, trained to be on alert and take off within a few minutes' notice. They were kept waiting in their planes for several hours after the USS Liberty was attacked, until finally ordered to stand down. "Nanjo said it was one of only a handful of such emergencies he encountered in nearly 20 years working for the H-bomb attack force: I'll give you an example of the real cases where we started engines and started to taxi. The afternoon President Kennedy was assassinated, the klaxon went, we broke seals and taxied…Messages started to come back that it was not at the hands of an enemy country." Nanjo was certain that the klaxons had woken him between 2am and 4am California time, though the Liberty was not attacked until 5am California time. (Operation Cyanide, Hounam)
Who was ready to attack Cuba and nuke the USSR before Oswald was barely in custody?