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RFK Jr. Got It Right! - Bill Kelly - Peter Lemkin - 21-06-2013
Oswald and Ruby Phone Records RFK, Jr. Got It Right
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Oswald and Ruby Phone Records RFK, Jr. Got It Right
By William E. Kelly, Jr.
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. set off a firestorm of media and critical reaction after being interviewed in a public program at the Winspear Opera House in Dallas by saying that neither he nor his father believed that a "lone-gunman" killed President Kennedy.
Interviewed by Charlie Rose, Kennedy was also quoted as saying, "…When they examined Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald's phone records,…they saw…an inventory of the Mafia leaders that they had been investigating…"
A former aide to Robert F. Kennedy, Paul Schrade, who was wounded in the same barrage of bullets that killed RFK, asked if the tape will be aired or a transcript of it released and they said they are waiting for permission from Kennedy and Charlie Rose. In the meantime, we are left with the quotes attributed to those who were there in the audience. Rodger Jones, an editorial writer for the Dallas News, in an apparent attempt to put the complete interview in context, wrote:
"RFK Jr.'s assassination narrative began with an anecdote about his dad seeing New Orleans DA Jim Garrison's photo on a newsstand and asking an aide if there was anything to Garrison's theories about the CIA, Cuba and Mafia in his brother's killing. RFK Jr. said his dad was told that Garrison was on to something, but the specifics of Garrison's investigation went on the wrong track, but he thought there was a link …' Kennedy said his dad put investigators on it. When they examined Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald's phone records,… they saw what was essentially an inventory of the Mafia leaders that they had been investigating for the past two years at the Justice Department."
In response Jean Davison, and others, including Gary Mack and John McAdams, have questioned Kennedy's facts, evidence and reasoning. While Mack said he believes that Betsy Lewis' condescending version of the Opera House event is better (See: Dallas Observer, Jan. 12; "Not Even Charlie Rose Could Rein in RFK, Jr. in Dallas Last Night.") and McAdams calls Kennedy a "crackpot" for his silly beliefs on other subjects, Davison gives a more reasoned response. As the author of the book "Oswald's Game," which attempts to portray Oswald as the lone assassin, she is known as a meticulous researcher and accurate writer, but one who comes to an unpopular and wrong conclusion concerning Oswald's singular guilt.
Davison correctly notes: "This stood out to me: ...phone records of Oswald ... 'were like an inventory' of mafia leaders...' Of course,…Oswald had no phone records since he never had a phone. Anyone can believe in a conspiracy, but where is the evidence? If Robert Kennedy had investigators do research into the assassination,' are Ruby's phone records (or Oswald's nonexistent ones) really the best they could come up with?...belief isn't evidence, is it?"
Belief isn't evidence, but telephone records are evidence, hard evidence that can be introduced in a court of law, and the fact that there are no telephone records of the alleged assassin of the President certainly supports the contention that the Warren Commission investigation was, in Kennedy's words, "a shoddy piece of craftsmanship."
While the phone records aren't the best evidence of conspiracy and Oswald may not have had his own telephone, he certainly did make telephone calls, including suspicious calls worthy of further examination, and there is substantial documentation to support this.
And we do have Jack Ruby's extensive telephone records that clearly show in the weeks leading up to the assassination he had telephone conversations with a number of mobsters who were being actively investigated by Robert F. Kennedy's Justice Department.
As for Oswald, in late April 1963, Ruth Paine drove him to the Dallas bus terminal where he caught a bus to his hometown, New Orleans. Once there, Oswald called his uncle Charles "Dutz" Murret, who lent him money and offered to assist him in relocating his family.
According to the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), "Oswald's uncle, Charles Murret (commonly known as "Dutz") had for some time been involved in the New Orleans gambling circles. The committee established that he was associated with organized crime figures there, having worked for years in an underworld gambling syndicate affiliated with the Carlos Marcello crime family….the committee first received information relating to Charles Murret's underworld involvement from a former prosecution witness against Teamster leader James R. Hoffa,…"
At the time both Carlos Marcello and Jimmy Hoffa were subjects of RFK's Justice Department investigations and both were prosecuted in Federal courts.
After Oswald was arrested in New Orleans for getting into a street scuffle with anti-Castro Cuban members of the Student Revolutionary Directorate (DRE), he called his uncle Dutz and was bailed out by Emile Bruneau, an associate of Nofilo Pecora, one of the mobsters who had telephone conversations with Jack Ruby.
Oswald also made other telephone calls that were of investigative interest.
Oswald reportedly called New York City radio talk show host Long John Nebel and a Florida radio program, to talk about Cuban matters.
On September 25, 1963, after leaving New Orleans, ostensibly for Mexico City, Oswald placed a phone call to Horace Twiford, a longshoreman and official of the Texas Socialist Labor Party in Houston.
Later that week someone impersonating Oswald twice called the Russian Embassy in Mexico City, but tape recordings of that call, which later disappeared, were heard by FBI agents familiar with Oswald's voice and they claimed it wasn't him.
Back in Dallas, Oswald lived for a week at the home of Mary Bledsoe, whose telephone we know he used because she complained that she didn't like the fact "Oswald talked on the phone in a foreign language."
On November 17, 1963 Ruth Paine called Oswald's rooming house in Oak Cliff and a few days later Oswald called Marina at Mrs. Paine's home from the rooming house, but you will not find any phone records of Mrs. Bledsoe's home or the Oak Cliff rooming house among the records of the Warren Commission.
After Oswald began working at the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) a secretary there said that Oswald once received a long distance person to person phone call and that he often asked for change to make phone calls from the pay phone on the first floor. TSBD foreman William Shelley said he saw Oswald between 11:50 and 12 noon on November 22, standing next to that telephone, as if waiting for a call.
Once arrested, from the Dallas City Jail, Oswald made a number of telephone calls, at least two to Mrs. Paine's home in Irving, one to New York attorney John Abt, and a call that lasted a long time to a yet unidentified party. He also tried to call a mysterious John Hurt of North Carolina, but did not get through to him.
The Warren Commission, despite conducting a shoddy investigation, did collect Jack Ruby's telephone records as well as the phone records of some of his associates, which proved to be of investigative significance.
The HSCA reviewed Ruby's phone records more closely and investigators noticed a pronounced spike in the increase in Ruby's calls in the days and weeks leading up to the assassination. "A chronological consolidation of the telephone calls made by Ruby from the five separate business and home telephones he used uncovered a significant increase in the number of calls made in October and November 1963. The average number lept from around 25 to 35 in the months of May through September to approximately 75 in October and approximately 96 during the first 3 1/2 weeks of November."
Many of these calls were to or received from known mobsters and union racketeers, some of whom were being investigated by RFK's Justice Department, including Barney Barker, Dusty Miller, Lenny Patrick, Dave Yaras, Lewis McWillie, Irwin S. Weiner and Nofio Pecora.
Barney Barker was a boxer, ex-convict and "one of Hoffa's best known associates during the McClellan Committee investigation," when RFK was the chief counsel to that committee which "detailed Baker's role as Hoffa's personal liaison to various Mafia figures, as well as to a number of well-known syndicate executioners." As counsel to the committee RFK noted that, "sometimes the mere threat of [Baker's] presence in a room was enough to silence the men who would otherwise have opposed Hoffa's reign."
Dusty Miller was another Hoffa assistant and head of the Teamster's southern conference, while Lenny Patrick was "one of the Chicago Mafia's leading assassins and was responsible, according to Federal and State law enforcement files, for the murders of over a dozen victims of the mob." Patrick was a capo under Chicago mob boss Sam Giancana.
Dave Yaras, like Patrick, was a childhood friend of Ruby from his old Chicago neighborhood, and "was overheard in a 1962 electronic surveillance discussing various underworld murder contracts he had carried out and one he had only recently been assigned."
Lewis McWillie moved from Dallas to Cuba in 1958 to work in the Havana gambling casinos owned by Meyer Lansky and Santos Trafficante. Ruby visited him in Cuba on a number of occasions and returned with cash that he deposited in a Miami bank for McWillie's boss.
Irwin Weiner was a Chicago bail bondsman and close associate of Hoffa and Giancana and was described by Jack Anderson as "the underworld's major financial figure in the Midwest."
Pecora was a Carlos Marcello associate whose friend Emile Bruneau bailed Oswald out of jail when he was arrested with the Cubans.
So Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. was correct in stating that both Oswald and Ruby, - especially Ruby, did make telephone calls of investigative significance to mobsters that Robert F. Kennedy, as Attorney General, would have recognized as suspects under investigation.
In reporting on RFK Jr.'s remarks about the assassination, ABC News quoted historian Robert Dallek as saying the assassination has been "investigated, re-investigated, investigated again and again and no one's ever come up with highly credible evidence" to contradict the theory that Oswald acted alone.
Well there certainly is highly credible evidence that Oswald did not act alone, whatever it is you believe he did, and the telephone records of both Oswald and Ruby do indicate that both men were connected, at least by telephone, to mobsters who were being investigated by RFK's Justice Department, just as Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. said in Dallas.
This is not to say that organized crime and these mobsters were responsible for murdering the president. As Kennedy is also quoted as saying, "I think my father was fairly convinced at the end of that that there had been involvement by somebody …"
When Rose interrupted him to ask, "Organized crime, Cubans …?" Kennedy responded, "Or rogue CIA."
What is significant is that despite the JFK Act of 1992, which ordered the release of all the government records, the CIA has continued to withhold many assassination records for reasons of national security, belying the contention that the murder of the president is ancient history or no longer relevant.
It isn't a matter of debating who killed the president, or blaming anyone, credible evidence indicates Oswald alone was not responsible for the assassination, outstanding questions have yet to be answered, many records are still secret, the case is not closed, and the law enforcement system should at least make the attempt to answer those questions and bring legal resolution to an unsolved homicide.
[William E. Kelly, Jr. is a freelance journalist from Browns Mills, New Jersey, who writes JFKcountercoup.blogspot.com. He can be reached at Bkjfk3@yahoo.com ]
RFK Jr. Got It Right! - Bill Kelly - Anthony DeFiore - 26-06-2013
Excellent points throughout! Regarding Paul Schrade and the RFK assassination, as per Ted Charach, the bullets don't match. There was a second gun that fired at RFK.
RFK Jr. Got It Right! - Bill Kelly - Peter Lemkin - 27-06-2013
Why is Rose and/or his network keeping the transcript of this interview as hidden as the CIA files on JFK?! [Rhetorical question.]
RFK Jr. Got It Right! - Bill Kelly - Jim Hackett II - 27-06-2013
Thanks,
Charlie Rose drank the cool-ade, he had his chance and copped out decades ago.
MSM at work again.
RFK Jr. Got It Right! - Bill Kelly - Phil Dragoo - 27-06-2013
"Gary Mack" . . ."questioned Kennedy's evidence"--
--it is to laugh
(show me the birth certificate)
Robert Kennedy, Jr. is nobody's fool, while Charlie Rose is most certainly
Bill Kelly advises, Plastic Plagiarizer Posner to the contrary notwithstanding, the case remains open
Robert the Junior cites Douglass--is that not a Richter Six, at least
Of course the Borgias' Borg has swallowed up the video--it's a level five on the Cass Sunstein rating system
Now of course thanks to the Turner-Christian, Klaber-Melanson, Sean O'Sullivan books
and the work and courage of Thomas Noguchi, fates preserve him,
the stunning acoustic analysis showing eight Ivers Johnson and four/five H & R 922,
not to mention the testimony of Sandy Serrano which Agents Smith and Jones targeted for destruction
the photos of Scott Enyart, unassailable negative templates,
we can clearly see the younger brother also led into a canyon of death
Charlie Rictus stifles a laugh
The awakening of the son must be smothered
by the hollow men dispensing chaff