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William Pitzer - Martin White - 01-07-2013
I saw an excerpt of the TMWKK episode "The Truth Will Set You Free" where Dan Marvin discusses how he was asked to kill Bill Pitzer. I don't think I'd heard of this being discussed before.
As a result, I'm now reading the account of Pitzer's death "Without Smoking Gun".
It's interesting to me that in TMWKK, they emphasised Dennis David's account that Pitzer was left handed, whilst in the book, the author mentions David's assertion but then says that Pitzer was right handed according to his family.
What do other members think about the death of William Bruce Pitzer?
William Pitzer - Magda Hassan - 01-07-2013
Hi Martin! Here are Dan's threads from here before he died. I wish he was still around to ask these questions.
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/search.php?searchid=813807
William Pitzer - Martin White - 01-07-2013
Many thanks Magda, I'll read those with interest.
Edit: your link doesn't work....but now I know it was discussed here I'll do a search of the site.
William Pitzer - Jan Klimkowski - 01-07-2013
Martin - please see here:
[URL="https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?5823-New-COMMANDER-W.B.PITZER-PAGE-WITH-FULL-FBI-FILE"]
New COMMANDER W.B.PITZER PAGE WITH FULL FBI FILE[/URL]
The Psyche of a Green Beret Assassin
William Pitzer - Tracy Riddle - 01-07-2013
Like a lot of things in this case, Pitzer is in my "Don't Know" file. My "Don't Know" file is enormous.
William Pitzer - Dawn Meredith - 01-07-2013
Tracy Riddle Wrote:Like a lot of things in this case, Pitzer is in my "Don't Know" file. My "Don't Know" file is enormous.
I am by no means an expert on this death but the reading I have done- now many years ago- put me on the side of murder.
Dawn
William Pitzer - Tracy Riddle - 02-07-2013
Dawn Meredith Wrote:Tracy Riddle Wrote:Like a lot of things in this case, Pitzer is in my "Don't Know" file. My "Don't Know" file is enormous.
I am by no means an expert on this death but the reading I have done- now many years ago- put me on the side of murder.
Dawn
I have a very hard time believing this part of Dan Marvin's story (the "How we killed Kennedy 101" class):
From The Men Who Killed Kennedy ("The Truth Will Make You Free")
Lt. Col. Dan Marvin, a paratrooper and member of the elite Green Beret forces, tells the viewers that he took specialist CIA Guerrilla training in assassination and terrorism at Fort Bragg just weeks after the JFK assassination.
To the viewer's horror, it is learned that as part of his CIA training at Fort Bragg, Lt. Col. Dan Marvin was taught how to assassinate foreign heads of state using the example of the JFK murder, which was cited as a classic CIA assassination. Instructions included films and still photos of Dealey Plaza plus a mock up of the Plaza showing where the shooters were standing and the routes to the hospital.
Marvin heard the CIA assassination instructor say to his fellow instructor at a coffee break "Things really did go well in Dealey Plaza, didn't it?" Marvin and his buddy felt that this man was himself involved in the assassination from the way he talked.
William Pitzer - Phil Dragoo - 02-07-2013
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB4/ciaguat2.html
Attention is called to CONFERENCE ROOM TECHNIQUE at bottom of page, a classic.
Someone will be along with the heretofore hidden FBI documentation confirming nothing-to-see-here vis-a-vis Pitzer.
Pitzer, Craig, DeMohrenschildt--hemlock or Helmslock or housepainter.
William Pitzer - David Josephs - 02-07-2013
So Phil... ain't the question - why is DD still kicking to tell a story... that Humes of all people corroborates? "I saw the body at 6:45" - Humes... even the FBI and Secret Service didn't have the body in the morgue until 7:30! and the one man who MAY have been able to CCTV a signal... MAY have had a hand-held... MAY have been in charge of A/V down there. and MAY have shown DD pix he had taken from which the Dallas wound is remembered. MAYBE he just couldn't handle the shame of being a US Naval Officer after what he saw? {like the SS who took the month of Nov '63 off}
William Pitzer - Phil Dragoo - 02-07-2013
David
Eye page one recaps David twenty minutes prior to official arrival (gray ambulance, bronze casket) had supervised formal detail of seven or eight men who unloaded a slate-gray shipping casket from a black hearse.
David typed a memo for an agent for four fragments (enough for a bullet, but not two) which disappeared.
Two or three days later, dropped by Pitzer's office. Hand-crank editing machine working a 16mm black and white, pulling off frames including one version of the stare-of-death showing a bullet hole in the president's right forehead.
Because on Tuesday, after the autopsy, I don't know, figure the day after, I had stopped by to see Bill Pitzer, who was head, he was Lt. Commander William Pitzer, he was head of the audiovisual at Bethesda and on staff of their medical school. And he was one of my mentors for the medical service corps program. And I stopped in as I frequently did during the week, I wanted to ask him some questions about the MSC program. Bill was editing a 16mm film of the autopsy. He also had some slides and some black and whites. I was only there for 15 or 20 minutes, I looked at some of them and they were unquestionably, without a doubt, they were of the JFK autopsy. I could see that on the editing. One of the things that Bill and I, [agreed] that it was a frontal entry wound. You know, the wounds were caused by frontal entry wounds, just by what we viewed. We didn't discuss it at length or go into detail and try to, because you know at that time, and then I left Bethesda in '65 and I don't recall that Bill and I ever discussed that again after that. Because on that following Monday, the people who had been in the morgue during the actual autopsy were all taken to John Stover's office, Captain, he was the commanding officer, and signed statements. Well, what they were were, keep your mouth shut and the threat of court marshal.
That there was a distinct bullet entry wound, if you start like at the corner of the right eye and go right up the hairline on Kennedy. There was an entry wound there about the size - my little finger would probably just about fit into it. Believe me I can recognize, I have seen enough in my time, I know an entry wound from an exit wound. There was no doubt about it.
There is a precedent for multiple gunshot suicides, besides Craig and Marshall, that of the second husband of a famous. . . .http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/strange_death_of_lily_no_tng5URi7AOCqTlt5eOkrEN
We had one of those hand-crank editors for 16mm in the later 'sixties. Roger had his girlfriend running through the woods, intersplicing my American flag undergoing 256 color combinations, Peter Max Beyond the Thunderdome.
You can do marvelous things with film and photos but Pitzer went too far.