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The crucial hour and twenty minutes - Tracy Riddle - 06-08-2013
I'm convinced that the key to figuring out the events of 11/22/1963 is to decipher what really happened between the time Oswald left the TSBD sometime after 12:30pm, and his arrest at the Texas Theater around 1:50pm. There are so many things wrong with the entire official narrative. Nothing during that time period really adds up very well, and most of the "evidence" is fraught with problems: how and when Oswald left the Book Depository, how he got back to his rooming house, what time Oswald arrived at the Texas Theater and what he was doing there, what happened to Officer Tippit (including his movements before his death), and the Texas Theater arrest.
Book-ending these events was amateur photographer Stuart L. Reed, who just happened to be on Elm St. taking photos of a traffic jam for some reason. Aren't traffic jams one of your favorite photographic subjects? Mine too. He miraculously captures the bus Oswald allegedly took:
http://www.leeharveyoswald.nl/bus2.jpg
http://www.leeharveyoswald.nl/bus1.jpg
Then he wanders down the street and takes photos of the Book Depository. Is that an amazing coincidence? No, THIS is an amazing coincidence: Reed somehow appears at the Texas Theater, a few miles away and more than an hour later, at just the right moment to photograph Oswald's arrest.
http://www.awesomestories.com/images/user/cb528f6acb.jpg
Then he turns his film over to the FBI for them to develop while he briefly leaves the country. If you have Groden's "The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald," you can find his photos on pages 101, 120, 121, 153, 154, 155.
The crucial hour and twenty minutes - Tracy Riddle - 06-08-2013
I should also add to the incredible events during this period the 30-40 minute delay in finding the sniper's nest on the 6th floor, despite allegedly having witnesses tell police about that window minutes after the assassination.
The crucial hour and twenty minutes - Peter Lemkin - 06-08-2013
Tracy Riddle Wrote:I'm convinced that the key to figuring out the events of 11/22/1963 is to decipher what really happened between the time Oswald left the TSBD sometime after 12:30pm, and his arrest at the Texas Theater around 1:50pm. There are so many things wrong with the entire official narrative. Nothing during that time period really adds up very well, and most of the "evidence" is fraught with problems: how and when Oswald left the Book Depository, how he got back to his rooming house, what time Oswald arrived at the Texas Theater and what he was doing there, what happened to Officer Tippit (including his movements before his death), and the Texas Theater arrest.
Book-ending these events was amateur photographer Stuart L. Reed, who just happened to be on Elm St. taking photos of a traffic jam for some reason. Aren't traffic jams one of your favorite photographic subjects? Mine too. He miraculously captures the bus Oswald allegedly took:
http://www.leeharveyoswald.nl/bus2.jpg
http://www.leeharveyoswald.nl/bus1.jpg
Then he wanders down the street and takes photos of the Book Depository. Is that an amazing coincidence? No, THIS is an amazing coincidence: Reed somehow appears at the Texas Theater, a few miles away and more than an hour later, at just the right moment to photograph Oswald's arrest.
http://www.awesomestories.com/images/user/cb528f6acb.jpg
Then he turns his film over to the FBI for them to develop while he briefly leaves the country. If you have Groden's "The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald," you can find his photos on pages 101, 120, 121, 153, 154, 155.
I don't know if 'Reed' was one, but DP and Dallas were crawling with MI photographers and scouts - they didn't stand down, they simply were not there to protect the President. I posted on the EF [now removed] one set of photos taken by one of the MI photographers who was taking photos of the TSBD and DalTex building BEFORE the 'events', as well as after....how prescient can one be!
I agree, the period between the shooting [not by Oswald] and his arrest is an important and under-studied / over-flowing with false information planted by the cover-up gang. There were too many anomalies and lies; too many men watching Tippit; Tippit likely driving Oswald to the theatre; too many Police arriving at the theater, and some who seemed the entire day to know just where the next 'action' was going to be!; even too many Oswalds leaving the TSBD; too many LHO wallets; and also too many of Oswalds arrested at the theater......to mention just a few of the HUNDREDS of inconsistencies/impossibilities.
The crucial hour and twenty minutes - David Josephs - 06-08-2013
Tracy, I can definitely appreciate concentrating on specific periods to narrow down a research project.....
Other than witness statements/testimonies what physical evidence do we have during that time period?
Bledsoe's description of the shirt the "bus Oswald" was wearing is the arrest shirt AFTER buttons are torn off... Whaley's testimony "feels" scripted.
Fritz's notes backed by Bookout's reports on the interviews reaffirms Oswald changed his clothes and threw his work clothes into a drawer.
ALL the contents of Oswald's room were taken yet the before-and-after clothing is not identified and the entire issue is ignored... description of Oswald wearing the arrest shirt prior to the 1pm trip to his room have to beviewed as very suspicious.
Oswald's reaction to Roger Graig's mention of the Station wagon ?? Hearsay just like the clothing testimony but again, suspicious
So, what physical evidence is there to authenticate any of the 12:30-1:50 activities?
1) The Jacket Roberts says Oswald was wearing when he left....
- if the one found is not his, where did his go?
- his blue coat was worn from Irving Friday morn... when did his other jacket get from Irving to Oak Cliff so he could wear it?
- Could the Jacket have been disposed of in Irving by the Paine/Marina pair?
2) The bullets Benavidas gave to Poe that Hill announced were NOT from a pistol but an automatic....
- conficting stories while the physical evidence are .38 special rounds
3) The bus transfer.... which has anything but a reliable chain of custody
4) The movie ticket Oswald would have bought when he got to the theater around 1:10
- did he go directly to the theater while the decoy goes to the rooming house THEN to Tippit THEN to Theater to bring heat onto Oswald?
- do we believe that OSwald was taken to the Theater only to be trapped there?
5) The .38 revolver "taken" from Oswald which misfired after supposedly going 4 for 4 on Tippit.
6) ????
Good luck with your research on this timeframe... I look forward to what you develop
DJ
The crucial hour and twenty minutes - Magda Hassan - 06-08-2013
I think it was Gil Jesus has videos on his channel where he re-enacts the Oswald movements as described in the WC from the TSDB to the Texas theatre and shows that cannot be done in that time.
The crucial hour and twenty minutes - David Josephs - 07-08-2013
Magda Hassan Wrote:I think it was Gil Jesus has videos on his channel where he re-enacts the Oswald movements as described in the WC from the TSDB to the Texas theatre and shows that cannot be done in that time.
I'd think this would depend on WHEN Gil believes Oswald arrived at each point.
If the same Oswald left his room at 1:05 as the one that kills Tippit at 1:08, it's not the same person and of course it can't be done...
Magda,
Do you know of any physical evidence related to this time period that I did not touch upon?
Personally, I don't believe this specific period will shed anything on the assasaintion cover-up or plan... but who knows.
I believe Tippit was a Mafia related loose end via Ruby and was familiar with the person he was searching for in the 30 minutes after the assassination and pulled over to talk to on 10th.
The person in the cab was again, imo, the man who killed Tippit by walking from the 500 block of Beckley
Now I had not thought about this before but Car #87, R.C. Nelson was told to go to Oak Cliff at 12:45. At 12:52 he's "down here" yet at 1:19 he tells dispatch he's at Elm/Houston !!
He is told to go to a service station at 4340 W. Davis which is over 4.3 miles WEST of the Tippit scene.
How about the thought that Nelson had something to do with moving either Oswald or a decoy into position.... not a single soul saw Oswald walk up Beckley or back down again to 10th/Patton.
He is the only other DPD sent to the area, he SAYS he's at Elm and Houston at a time when everyone else is converging on Oak Cliff and is sent over 4 miles away to follow-up on a sighting of two men in a car with a rifle ??
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The timings seem right and his activity appears suspicious enough. Something in this doesn't sit right...
Any ideas?
DJ
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The crucial hour and twenty minutes - Tracy Riddle - 07-08-2013
I wouldn't be surprised if Reed was working for military intelligence. James Powell was the Army Intelligence guy who worked down the street at the Rio Grande building and took a picture of the TSBD thirty seconds after the assassination.
As for the physical evidence during this period, it's hard to trust any of it.
David, who is the person in the cab you're referring to who shot Tippit?
The crucial hour and twenty minutes - David Josephs - 07-08-2013
Tracy Riddle Wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Reed was working for military intelligence. James Powell was the Army Intelligence guy who worked down the street at the Rio Grande building and took a picture of the TSBD thirty seconds after the assassination.
As for the physical evidence during this period, it's hard to trust any of it.
David, who is the person in the cab you're referring to who shot Tippit?
The person Whaley described as "Oswald" could not have been THE Oswald.
If Whaley did actually take someone to 500 N Beckley... I do not see how that could have been our Oswald.
Mr. BALL. Did you see whether he walked south?
Mr. WHALEY. I didn't see whether he walked north or south from there.
Mr. BALL. In other words, h[B]e walked east from your cab [/B]and that is the last time you saw him?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Since no one reports seeing even a suspicous man walking thru the neighborhood...
and Oswald's room was due north of this spot
I am theorizing that the person who Whaley did take, walked east and over to 10th and Patton possibly to that area's safe house where he would meet up with Tippit.
Why else would Tippit have been so careless in his approach....
There is no reason for our Oswald to have been coming EAST on 10th on the way to the theater.
IF we are to conclude that Oswald was already at the Theater.... how the murder occurs at that location... how murderer and Tippit wind up at the same place at the same time
has to be one of the greatest mysteries to unravel.
DJ
The crucial hour and twenty minutes - Gordon Gray - 07-08-2013
David Josephs Wrote:I don't see how walking east would be conclusive evidence that Oswald was not in the cab. Any one getting out of the cab and crossing the street in front of it would be walking east. If Whaley then continued driving south, he would have had to look over his shoulder behind him to see in what direction Qswald proceeded after crossing the street. Whaley's description of Oswald's bracelet is a fairly detailed and accurate observation that points to it indeed being Oswald. I have always "theorized" that the man Craig saw getting into the statin wagon was the Tippet shooter and the fact that he was seen walking west on 10th prior to reaching the intersection with Patton, leads me to think he was coming from Ruby's apt.Tracy Riddle Wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Reed was working for military intelligence. James Powell was the Army Intelligence guy who worked down the street at the Rio Grande building and took a picture of the TSBD thirty seconds after the assassination.
As for the physical evidence during this period, it's hard to trust any of it.
David, who is the person in the cab you're referring to who shot Tippit?
The person Whaley described as "Oswald" could not have been THE Oswald.
If Whaley did actually take someone to 500 N Beckley... I do not see how that could have been our Oswald.
Mr. BALL. Did you see whether he walked south?
Mr. WHALEY. I didn't see whether he walked north or south from there.
Mr. BALL. In other words, h[B]e walked east from your cab [/B]and that is the last time you saw him?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Since no one reports seeing even a suspicous man walking thru the neighborhood...
and Oswald's room was due north of this spot
I am theorizing that the person who Whaley did take, walked east and over to 10th and Patton possibly to that area's safe house where he would meet up with Tippit.
Why else would Tippit have been so careless in his approach....
There is no reason for our Oswald to have been coming EAST on 10th on the way to the theater.
IF we are to conclude that Oswald was already at the Theater.... how the murder occurs at that location... how murderer and Tippit wind up at the same place at the same time
has to be one of the greatest mysteries to unravel.
DJ
The crucial hour and twenty minutes - Magda Hassan - 07-08-2013
David Josephs Wrote:Magda,No I don't Joseph and what there is available is mostly suspect. I think this period does shed light on the assassination and cover up. The timing and IDs prove it wasn't Oswald and gives some glimpses of others with foreknowledge at work.
Do you know of any physical evidence related to this time period that I did not touch upon?
Personally, I don't believe this specific period will shed anything on the assasaintion cover-up or plan... but who knows.