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Anthony Summers - Marc Ellis - 09-11-2013 Don't get me wrong, I have not spent a lot of time on McAdams' site. Last night I went there to cross-check the bit about where Ruby came up with the 'I did it for Jackie' story. IMO, McAdams does a bit better with that than he does with his pathetic 544 Camp Street theory. But like much of his material, it is ultimately a red herring. Even if it is true Ruby told Sorrels he did it for Jackie - before he claimed his lawyer came up with the idea (and I'm not saying it is true) - that does not rule out the possibility that Ruby actually did it for the mob. Simply because Ruby said one thing does not make it true. And where there is a contradiction in the documentary evidence, as there is on that point, you have to look to extrinsic evidence. Ruby's mob ties, phone calls immediately prior to the event, his financial situation, his hanging around the police station with a gun for two days and the whole mystery of how he managed to be present at the transfer, tell me this was no spur of the moment crime of passion. Thus far, I think Summers has done a pretty good job on the Jack Ruby part of his book. Anthony Summers - David Josephs - 09-11-2013 Marc Ellis Wrote:Don't get me wrong, I have not spent a lot of time on McAdams' site. Last night I went there to cross-check the bit about where Ruby came up with the 'I did it for Jackie' story. What really bothers us is that MOST people searching the web will come across that site in the first page of results... while there is no definitive GO-TO site for them to learn about the conspiracy... Even if you add "conspiracy" his site comes up after the WIKI CT discussion. Seems to me we need a site that does a good job at presenting the counter... whokilledjfk.com jfkmurdersolved.com and a host of forums are there... but even they make it very hard to follow "our" understanding of the conspiracy.... I feel lucky that I have Summer's original book... but feel that most of us are well within our capabilities to review the evidence ourselves (maryferrell.org, history-matters.com, AARClibrary.org) and come to our own conclusions... after 5-10 years of study and analysis... (what I know know compared to 10 years ago is staggering... the greatest advice is to accept the conspiracy but do not form conclusions until you understand more of what the conpiracy entailed... It's HARD WORK compared to "Oh, Oswald did it? OK" and back to our comfy lives. and the deeper you go the uglier the people and the crimes get.... I'd suggest that the truth is told by those with the least to gain.... and by those who gained the least or much worse. Jack Ruby or any Mafia member does not qualify. Career CIA/Military/SS - need not apply. EVERYONE knows Specter... anyone remember Redlich? Cheers DJ April27, 1964 MEMORANDUM TO: J. Lee Rankin FROM: Norman Redlich The purpose of this memorandum is toexplain the reasons why certainmembers of the staff feel that it is important to take certain on-sitephotographs in connection with the location of the approximate pointsat which the three bullets struck the occupants of the Presidentiallimousine. Our report presumably will state that the President was hit by thefirst bullet, Governor Connally by the second, and the President bythe third and fatal bullet. The report willalso conclude that the bullets werefired by one person located in the sixth floor southeast cornerwindow of the TSBD building. As our investigation now stands,however, we have not shown that theseevents could possibly have occurred in the manner suggested above. All we have is a reasonable hypothesis whichappears to be supportedby the medical testimony but which has not been checked out againstthe physical facts at the scene of the assassination. Our examination of the Zapruder filmsshows that the fatal thirdshot struck the President at a point which we can locate with reasonableaccuracy on the ground. We can do thisbecause we know the exactframe (no. 313) in the film at which the third shot hit the Presidentand we know the location of the photographer. By lining up fixedobjects in the movie frame where this shot occurs we feel that wehave determined the approximate location of this shot. This can be verifiedby a photo of the same spot from the point where Zapruder was standing. We have the testimony of Governor andMrs. Connally that the Governorwas hit with the second bullet at a point which we probably cannotfix with precision. We feel we haveestablished, however, with thehelp of medical testimony, that the shot which hit the Governor didnot come after frame 240 on the Zapruder film. The governor feels thatit came around 230, which is certainly consistent with our observationsof the film and with the doctor's testimony. Since the Presidentwas shot at frame 313, this would leave a time of at least 4 secondsbetween the two shots, certainly ample for even an inexperiencedmarksman. Prior to our last viewing of the filmswith Governor Connally wehad assumed that the President was hit while he was concealed behindthe sign which occurs between frames 215-225. We have expert testimonyto the effect that a skilled marksman would require a minimum2 seconds between shots with this rifle. Since the camera operatesat 18 1/3 frames per second, there would have to be a minimum of40 frames between shots. It is apparent,therefore, that if GovernorConnally was even as late as frame 240, the President would haveto have been hit no later than frame 190 and probably even earlier. We have not yet examined the assassination scene to determine whether theassassin in fact could have shot the President prior to frame 190. We could locate the position on the groundwhich correspondsto this frame and it would then be our intent to establish byphotography that the assassin would have fired the first shot at the Presidentprior to this point. Our intention is not to establishthe point with completeaccuracy, but merely to substantiate the hypothesiswhich underlies the conclusions thatOswald was the sole assassin. I had always assumed that our finalreport would be accompaniedby a surveyor's diagram which would indicate the approximatelocation of the three shots. We certainly cannot prepare such a diagram withoutestablishing that we are describing an occurrence which isphysically possible. Our failure to do this will, inmy opinion, place this Report in jeopardy since it is a certainty thatothers will examine the Zapruder films and raise the same questionswhich have been raised by our examination of the films. If wedo not attempt to answer these observable facts, others may answer themwith facts which challenge our most basic assumptions, or with fancifultheories based on our unwillingness to test our assumptions bythe investigatory methods available to us. I should add that the facts which we now have in our possession,submitted to us in separate reports from the FBI and SecretService, are totally incorrect and, if left uncorrected, will present acompletely misleading picture. It may well be that this project should be undertaken by the FBI and Secret Servicewith our assistance instead of being done as a staff project. The important thing is that the project beundertaken expeditiously. Anthony Summers - Marc Ellis - 09-11-2013 I finished Summers' book. Except for the Mexico City section, I thought it was a good read, especially the parts on Oswald in the TSBD, the mob & RFK's war on them and the part about Ruby. I'll probably spend some more time with it. I want to go over his take on Oswald in the TSBD again. Then I may re-read Destiny Betrayed again. The Edwin Walker episode is interesting me now. Did Oswald do that? If yes - was there an accomplice? If yes - who was that accomplice? It makes no sense for an anti-Castro Cuban to attempt to assassinate an anti-Castro American general. That's what has me wondering. A Traficante associate named John Martino is quoted by Summers: "The anti-Castro people put Oswald together. Oswald didn't know who he was working forhe was just ignorant of who was really putting him together. Oswald was to meet his contact at "the Texas Theater [the movie house where Oswald was arrested]. They were to meet Oswald in the theater and get him out of the country, then eliminate him. Oswald made a mistake… . There was no way we could get to him. They had Ruby kill him." -- Excerpt From: Summers, Anthony. "Not in Your Lifetime." Open Road Integrated Media, 2013-09-06. iBooks. This material may be protected by copyright. Check out this book on the iBookstore: https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/not-in-your-lifetime/id704986933?mt=11 " -- How do you fit the attempted assassination of Edwin Walker into Oswald being 'put together' by anti-Castro people? Anthony Summers - Dawn Meredith - 09-11-2013 Marc Ellis Wrote:I finished Summers' book. Except for the Mexico City section, I thought it was a good read, especially the parts on Oswald in the TSBD, the mob & RFK's war on them and the part about Ruby. NO!!! Oswald did not "do that". (groan) Dawn Anthony Summers - Marc Ellis - 09-11-2013 Dawn Meredith Wrote:Marc Ellis Wrote:I finished Summers' book. Except for the Mexico City section, I thought it was a good read, especially the parts on Oswald in the TSBD, the mob & RFK's war on them and the part about Ruby. Thanks. That at least makes sense. Anthony Summers - Don Jeffries - 09-11-2013 Marc, Remember, the allegation that Oswald shot at Walker comes exclusively from Marina. Despite this, much of the research community now believes Oswald was the shooter. There is no "evidence" that connects Oswald to the shooting, outside of the fact that Marina said he did it. Oswald didn't shoot JFK, he didn't shoot Tippit, and he didn't attempt to shoot Walker. Anthony Summers - Vasilios Vazakas - 09-11-2013 Marc While discussing Summer's book you refer to Destiny Betrayed and McAdams site. Now, someone who does not know much about the research community might think that Summers, McAdams and DiEugenio have the same value, that they are of equal importance. Which clearly is not the case. McAdams is a waste of time and you have to listen to the experienced members of this site and stop reading him, is full of disinfo. If you want to learn more about McAdams visit http://www.ctka.net/2013/mcadams.html and http://www.ctka.net/2013/mcadams_2.html. So if you want to learn more about the JFK assassination drop McAdams, Summers book is nothing great either (apart what is based in Bill Kelly's work which is good) and read some good books. I can propose some of them which is i have read. There are other great books which i have not read. You have already read Destiny Betrayed, so: Reclaiming Parkland Oswald and the CIA by John Newman JFK and Vietnam by John Newman A Certain Arrogance by G.M. Evica Deep Politics I & II by Peter Dale Scott The Man who Knew too Much by Dick Russell Harvey and Lee by John Armostrong Battling Wall Street by Donald Gibson A Breach of Trust by Gerald McKnight JFK and the Unspeakable by Jim Douglass The Last Investigation by Gaeton Fonzi Anthony Summers - Albert Doyle - 09-11-2013 Quote:"The anti-Castro people put Oswald together. Oswald didn't know who he was working forhe was just ignorant of who was really putting him together. Oswald was to meet his contact at "the Texas Theater [the movie house where Oswald was arrested]. They were to meet Oswald in the theater and get him out of the country, then eliminate him. Oswald made a mistake… . There was no way we could get to him. They had Ruby kill him." -- Perhaps the Texas Theater was a failsafe rendezvous in case the original plan failed. What could have happened might be more like Oswald was supposed to rendezvous at the evacuation meeting place but realized he was being set-up as a patsy and went to the Texas Theater instead. Or Martin is full of it and Oswald was supposed to be killed at the Texas Theater but wasn't. It's hard to trace the disinformation supplied by the insiders because of the different layers and levels of the conspiracy and what those persons were privy to themselves. It's also hard to see where "Oswald made a mistake" because after all he did make it to the Texas Theater. Was it the alleged shooting of Tippit or was it running past the ticket booth? When you input Douglass you can see Martin's story doesn't reflect the truth about the CIA double setting up Oswald or vice versa. Or maybe the whole evacuation plan spoken of by Larry King was just a ruse to make all the players think everything was on the up and up in order to conceal their true patsy plans. Anthony Summers - Marc Ellis - 09-11-2013 Vasilios Vazakas Wrote:Marc it was never my intention to imply they were equal. McAdams' style is to argue a point and then do a victory dance whether he has proven his point or not. But my question about Walker came from reading Summers', not McAdams. Anthony Summers - Tracy Riddle - 09-11-2013 The Walker shooting was first linked to Oswald via a far-right West German newspaper that had interviewed Walker after the assassination. They speculated that Oswald and Ruby had shot at Walker (Jew-Commie conspiracy). Walker himself always seems to have doubted that Oswald shot at him. When the bullet supposedly dug out of his wall was shown on TV during the HSCA hearings in the late 1970s, Walker wrote a letter to them saying it was NOT the same bullet he had handled. I personally think the shooting was staged by some of his supporters to create sympathy for him in the media, after the bad press he'd received due to his actions in Mississippi. As for McAdams, when I first got on the internet circa 1993, I typed in "Kennedy assassination" into whatever search engine we used then (Alta Vista or Excite or whatever), and up popped McAdams' site as the first hit. |