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Volgograd explosion - Magda Hassan - 29-12-2013 Explosion at Volgograd station. Should be coming through the news soon but I'm off to sleep. Volgograd explosion - Magda Hassan - 30-12-2013 Another explosion this time a bus in the same city. Don't think they are supporting gay rights. Quote:(CNN) -- Another deadly blast has struck the southern Russian city of Volgograd, killing at least 10 people and further highlighting Russia's security challenges as it readies to host the Winter Olympics in less than six weeks. Volgograd explosion - Danny Jarman - 30-12-2013 Right before the Sochi olympics. Bandar Bush and Obama & terror co sending a message to Putin - payback for supporting Assad? Many people (Sibel, Pepe) saw something like this coming Volgograd explosion - Peter Lemkin - 30-12-2013 There could be internal and external agents involved in this...but the net effect WILL be to damage the Olympic games....certainly the reason for the location and timing. Some country's teams have already started to voice nervousness about their safety......... Putin will kill many or blow up something soon - to look tough...even if who/what he kills/blows up isn't related to the two events, thus far. There are likely to be more such events. These will be troop-lined Olympic Games! Volgograd explosion - Magda Hassan - 31-12-2013 It's long been time to finish with the corporate Olympic games but not this way. Bring on the Hunger Games. Volgograd explosion - Magda Hassan - 31-12-2013 Peter Lemkin Wrote:Some country's teams have already started to voice nervousness about their safety.........Our foreign minister is talking about not allowing the Australian team to go. I expect there are others not wishing to go as well. Interior troops are being sent to the area by Putin. Wonder what the next move will be? Volgograd explosion - Magda Hassan - 01-01-2014 The Russian-Saudi Showdown at SochiDecember 31, 2013Exclusive: Last summer, Saudi intelligence chief Prince Bandar reportedly offered Russian President Putin a deal: if Russia abandons Syria, Saudi Arabia would protect the Sochi Olympics from Islamic terrorists. Putin is said to have angrily rebuffed the offer. Now, with two terrorist attacks, it's Putin's move, writes Robert Parry.By Robert Parry Monday's terrorist bombings only 400 miles away from the site of the Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia, have a geopolitical back story involving implied threats from Saudi Arabia's intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan to Russian President Vladimir Putin last summer when Bandar was pressing Putin to withdraw his backing for the Syrian government. According to a diplomatic leak detailing the Bandar-Putin meeting in Moscow on July 31, Bandar suggested that Putin's agreement to abandon the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad would lead Saudi Arabia to restrain its Chechen terrorist clients who have been attacking Russia targets for years. Putin reportedly grew furious, interpreting Bandar's offer as a warning that the Sochi games would be threatened by terrorism if Putin didn't comply. Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi Arabia's intelligence chief, meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. At the time, I was even told that Putin warned Saudi Arabia of potentially severe consequences suggesting military retaliation if Bandar's implied warning was followed up by actual terrorist attacks like the ones in Volvograd on Monday, killing more than 30 people. Of course, it is always hard to trace specific terrorist acts back to their origins and many terrorist cells operate with much autonomy. But Putin has staked much of his prestige on a successful Olympics in Sochi, and he also would risk losing face if it were perceived that Bandar had executed a terrorist plan to disrupt the Winter Olympics and that Putin was powerless to stop it. According to the leaked diplomatic account of last summer's meeting, Bandar sought Russia's cooperation on several Mideast concerns, including Syria, and told Putin, "I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics in the city of Sochi on the Black Sea next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us." Putin reportedly responded, "We know that you have supported the Chechen terrorist groups for a decade. And that support, which you have frankly talked about just now, is completely incompatible with the common objectives of fighting global terrorism that you mentioned. We are interested in developing friendly relations according to clear and strong principles." Besides safety for the Sochi Olympics, Bandar raised the potential of Saudi cooperation with Russia on oil and other investment matters, saying, "Let us examine how to put together a unified Russian-Saudi strategy on the subject of oil. The aim is to agree on the price of oil and production quantities that keep the price stable in global oil markets," according to the diplomatic account. I was told by a source close to the Russian government that this mix of overt inducements and implied threats infuriated Putin who barely kept his anger in check through the end of the meeting with Bandar. Putin viewed Bandar's offer to protect the Sochi Olympics as something akin to a Mafia don shaking down a shopkeeper for protection money by saying, "nice little business you got here, I'd hate to see anything happen to it." Putin then redoubled his support for the Syrian government in response to Bandar's blend of bribes and warnings. The source said Russia also issued its own thinly veiled threats against the Saudis. The Saudis may have substantial "soft power" with their oil and money but Russia has its own formidable "hard power," including a huge military, the source said. Bandar and Terrorism Over the years, Bandar has often treated the issue of "terrorism" as a situational ethic, an ambivalence well-honed since the days when Saudi Arabia and the Reagan administration teamed up to pour billions of dollars into the Afghan mujahedeen and their Arab jihadist allies fighting Soviet troops in the 1980s. The anti-Soviet effort in Afghanistan brought to prominence Saudi national Osama bin Laden and the terrorists who later consolidated themselves under the global brand, al-Qaeda. In the 1980s, these roving jihadists were hailed as brave defenders of Islam and even "freedom fighters," but in the 1990s they began targeting the United States with terrorist attacks, leading up to 9/11 in 2001. At the time of the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington, Bandar was the Saudi ambassador to the United States and was so close to the Bush family that he was nicknamed "Bandar Bush." Bandar was also very close to the bin Laden family. After the attacks, Bandar even acknowledged having met Osama bin Laden in the context of bin Laden thanking Bandar for his help financing the Afghan jihad project. "I was not impressed, to be honest with you," Bandar told CNN's Larry King about bin Laden. "I thought he was simple and very quiet guy." However, immediately after 9/11, Bandar undermined the FBI's opportunity to learn more about the connections between Osama bin Laden's relatives and the perpetrators of 9/11 when Bandar arranged for members of the bin Laden family to flee the United States on some of the first planes allowed back into the air after only cursory interviews with FBI investigators. The only segment of the 9/11 Commission's report to be blacked out was the part dealing with alleged Saudi financing for al-Qaeda. Now, as chief of Saudi intelligence, Bandar appears to be back in the game of coercive geopolitics, arranging weapons for some of the most brutal Syrian rebels and Arab mercenaries operating inside Syria, while offering carrots-and-sticks to foreign leaders who are seen are malleable toward Saudi regional interests. The technique may have failed with Putin but had greater success in lining up the French behind Saudi opposition to a negotiated agreement with Iran on its nuclear program. As a repressive monarchy that preaches the ultra-conservative Wahhabi version of Sunni Islam, Saudi Arabia is bitterly opposed to the democratic reforms of the Arab Spring and the growing influence of Shiite Islam, which now stretches from Iran through Iraq and Syria to the Hezbollah enclaves of Lebanon. Saudi Arabia backed the military coup in Egypt that ousted the elected Muslim Brotherhood government of Mohamed Morsi. The Saudis also have stepped up assistance to Sunni-dominated rebels in Syria seeking to overthrow the Assad dynasty that is based in the Alawite religion, a branch of Shiite Islam. The commonality of interests between Saudi Arabia and Israel has given rise to a de facto alliance between the Saudi monarchy and the Jewish government of Israel. Though historically enemies, Israel and Saudi Arabia are now on the same page in backing Egypt's military regime, in viewing Iran as their principal adversary, and in wanting a rebel victory in Syria. The shifting sands of Middle East interests also have pushed the United States and Russia closer together, with the former Cold War rivals sharing an interest in tamping down disorder across the region. President Putin and President Barack Obama cooperated in reaching a tentative nuclear deal with Iran and in convincing Syria's Assad to surrender his chemical weapons. Putin and Obama are pressing for Syrian peace talks, too. Now, however, a new complication has been introduced: Islamist terrorist attacks aimed at undermining the Sochi Olympics. If Putin concludes that the Saudis are behind these bombings that the attacks are the equivalent of a Mafia don having a store torched after the owner rebuffed an offer of "protection" then the issue of Russian retaliation could suddenly be on the table. http://consortiumnews.com/2013/12/31/the-russian-saudi-showdown-at-sochi/ Volgograd explosion - David Guyatt - 01-01-2014 Slowly, but surely, the whole official edifice of 911 is fragmenting into pieces. Good. It strikes me as being a preposterous proposition that Bandar and Saudi can threaten Putin, or other major states for that matter, on their own behalf. They must, surely, be acting as a beard for the US, safe in the knowledge that they are protected by same. This seems to me to be true for their deep involvement in 911 as well as their war against Syria and Iran. If I were Saudi, I'd now be biting my nails, wondering how Putin will respond, because I feel certain he will do so in the not too distant future. And his wrath will be harsh. Volgograd explosion - Peter Lemkin - 01-01-2014 David Guyatt Wrote:Slowly, but surely, the whole official edifice of 911 is fragmenting into pieces. Good. While the real source of the threat may be coming from elsewhere, I think he may just as likely hit Chechnya or some such local scapegoat to look tough......the international brand of 'chess' is played by taking pieces off the board, adding new pieces, throwing acid in your opponents faces, as well as other dirty tricks - even punching out the audience or those totally uninvolved. |