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MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - Peter Lemkin - 27-05-2014
Lauren Johnson Wrote:Albert Doyle Wrote:Raw Data To Be Released:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/26/world/asia/malaysia-missing-plane/
Raw data or "raw data?"
It is potentially more complex that 'that'!...as it could be 1] real data 2] data altered by the Malaysians or others or 3] spoofed data - which officials believe is real, but isn't and never was....
MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - Lauren Johnson - 27-05-2014
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Lauren Johnson Wrote:Albert Doyle Wrote:Raw Data To Be Released:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/26/world/asia/malaysia-missing-plane/
Raw data or "raw data?"
It is potentially more complex that 'that'!...as it could be 1] real data 2] data altered by the Malaysians or others or 3] spoofed data - which officials believe is real, but isn't and never was....
Yes. This digital "data" will be the equivalent of the analog pings heard from the bottom of the trench.
MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - Albert Doyle - 27-05-2014
The Bajc woman is on CNN saying the data was released in a PDF that was obviously "massaged". She was disappointed and wanted the raw data logs.
MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - Peter Lemkin - 27-05-2014
Lauren Johnson Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:Lauren Johnson Wrote:Albert Doyle Wrote:Raw Data To Be Released:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/26/world/asia/malaysia-missing-plane/
Raw data or "raw data?"
It is potentially more complex that 'that'!...as it could be 1] real data 2] data altered by the Malaysians or others or 3] spoofed data - which officials believe is real, but isn't and never was....
Yes. This digital "data" will be the equivalent of the analog pings heard from the bottom of the trench.
The bottom of the trench data and many others also may have come in two 'flavors' A] having mistakenly or over-zealously wanting it to be be real data, and B] managed false data by someone in league with the planned disappearance scenario; or part of a cover-up, for whatever reasons....
The whole thing is very murky and opaque, and I think we very possibly have not been told most of the real facts - and the facts we were told were mostly not real; however, that still doesn't, at this point, inform me as to where the truth may lie. I would guess that it will eventually come out...but it may not. I don't expect there ever will be any good information, for example, on the man who wound up in a North Face Carryall Bag in London. Some things are done for such secretive reasons they never get resolved (and do get forgotten about) [with both passive and active forces pushing the 'forgetting' agenda]. :
: What a World we live in today..... ::fury::
MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - Albert Doyle - 27-05-2014
This reminds me of Flight 800 however with that crash there was solid data showing where the government was lying and what the actual cause was.
MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - Drew Phipps - 29-05-2014
from news 5/29/14:
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/05/28/u-s-navy-official-says-pings-unlikely-from-missing-malaysia-j/20894595/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing11%7Cdl25%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D481687
"Reuters - A U.S. Navy official said four acoustic pings at the center of the search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, which disappeared in March, are no longer believed to be from the aircraft's black boxes, according to a report by CNN. Australian search authorities narrowed the search for the missing jet last month after picking up a series of pings near where analysis of satellite data put the last location of the Boeing 777, some 1,600 km off Australia's northwest coast.
CNN said authorities now almost universally believe the pings did not come from the onboard data or cockpit voice recorders, but instead came from some other man-made source unrelated to the jetliner that disappeared on March 8, according to Michael Dean, the U.S. Navy's deputy director of ocean engineering. "Our best theory at this point is that (the pings were) likely some sound produced by the ship ... or within the electronics of the Towed Pinger Locator," Dean said.
The discovery of the pings on April 5 and 8 was hailed as a significant breakthrough but no further promising signals were heard before the expiry of the batteries on the black boxes' locator beacons.
A scan of the area around the pings with an unnamed submarine failed to find any sign of wreckage and no debris linked to the plane has ever been picked up despite the most extensive and expensive search effort in aviation history."
So now we have junk pings and a junk data release.
MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - Albert Doyle - 30-05-2014
To me this kind of crazy mushy information almost confirms a conscious cover-up of a known cause other than what they are saying.
MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - Peter Lemkin - 30-05-2014
Drew Phipps Wrote:from news 5/29/14:
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/05/28/u-s-navy-official-says-pings-unlikely-from-missing-malaysia-j/20894595/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing11%7Cdl25%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D481687
"Reuters - A U.S. Navy official said four acoustic pings at the center of the search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, which disappeared in March, are no longer believed to be from the aircraft's black boxes, according to a report by CNN. Australian search authorities narrowed the search for the missing jet last month after picking up a series of pings near where analysis of satellite data put the last location of the Boeing 777, some 1,600 km off Australia's northwest coast.
CNN said authorities now almost universally believe the pings did not come from the onboard data or cockpit voice recorders, but instead came from some other man-made source unrelated to the jetliner that disappeared on March 8, according to Michael Dean, the U.S. Navy's deputy director of ocean engineering. "Our best theory at this point is that (the pings were) likely some sound produced by the ship ... or within the electronics of the Towed Pinger Locator," Dean said.
The discovery of the pings on April 5 and 8 was hailed as a significant breakthrough but no further promising signals were heard before the expiry of the batteries on the black boxes' locator beacons.
A scan of the area around the pings with an unnamed submarine failed to find any sign of wreckage and no debris linked to the plane has ever been picked up despite the most extensive and expensive search effort in aviation history."
So now we have junk pings and a junk data release.
...Aha.....If I understand their assumptions and math correctly, that 'ship' was hauling ass - and going a speed equivalent to a plane!...I think not! IF they are real pings [questionable], they may have to do with a plane controlling the missing flight as a drone [as explained can be done elsewhere, above] or just put out 'pings' to confuse in exactly the manner as has been done....
MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - Drew Phipps - 31-05-2014
The "pings" that are being referred to here are the acoustic ping from the water (thought to be black box pings) not the engine satellite handshakes. The "ship" being referred to is the ship launching the sonar gear.
The junk data I refer to is the satellite data
MH 370: Missing Malaysian Airliner - Drew Phipps - 04-06-2014
from news 6/3/14:
"(CNN) -- Australian researchers plan to release an audio recording Wednesday of an underwater sound that they say could possibly be related to the final moments of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. It's a long shot, but researchers at Curtin University near Perth, Australia, have been studying records from underwater listening devices, including those meant to monitor for signs of underwater nuclear explosions, in an effort to help find the missing plane. "One signal has been detected on several receivers that could be related to the crash," said Alec Duncan with the university's Centre for Marine Science and Technology (CMST). Researchers have been analyzing the very low frequency sound for weeks to see if it was "the impact of the aircraft on the water or the implosion of parts of the aircraft as it sank," Duncan said. "But (the source of the noise) is just as likely to be a natural event."
Low frequency signals can travel thousands of kilometers through water under favorable circumstances, at about 1.5 kilometers per second, Duncan said. But "at the moment (the sound) appears to be inconsistent with other data about the aircraft position," he said.
That's because researchers at Curtin University believe the sound came from an area thousands of kilometers to the northwest of the current search area in the southern Indian Ocean. And even then, they haven't been able to pinpoint the source. Duncan says his team has calculated an "uncertainty box" for the signal's origin. It's area that stretches some 4,000 kilometers in length from southeast to northwest, and spans some 200 to 300 kilometers in width. And he says the center is south of the tip of India. The university plans to release more data about the sound on Wednesday, including an audio clip captured by one of the listening devices, off of Perth. Duncan says his team has sped up the recording 10 times to make it audible to the human ear."
link:http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/03/world/asia/malayisa-airlines-flight-370-search/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Be interesting to see if the "range of uncertainty" covers the area found by that mining company ship. Seems unlikely that a plane striking the ocean at a low enough speed not to break apart the plane into lots of floating debris wouldn't make a lot of noise, but "crush" noises are routinely picked up on sonar.