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The Bahamas? - Drew Phipps - 20-05-2014
From news 5/20/14: The NSA records every single cell phone call made in the Bahamas, a move that this nation did not approve.
The Bahamas is, apparently, a well known vacation spot for terrorists. I understand that there's a fair amount of money laundering going on there too.
The Bahamas? - David Guyatt - 20-05-2014
A lot goes on in the Bahamas. I can't say I'm surprised that the NSA has targeted it. I'm sure GCHQ is doing similar or sharing the take.
The Bahamas? - Drew Phipps - 20-05-2014
What happens in the Bahamas apparently doesn't stay there.
The Bahamas? - Peter Lemkin - 20-05-2014
Snowden Docs Reveal NSA, DEA Teamed Up to Record Every Cell Phone Call in Bahamas
A new report reveals the National Security Agency is recording every cell phone call made in the Bahamas, even though the United States has said the Caribbean nation poses "little to no threat" to Americans. The story is based on documents leaked by Edward Snowden that describe a classified program called SOMALGET, which was put in place by the NSA without the knowledge or consent of the Bahamian government. Instead, the news website The Intercept reports the agency seems to have obtained access through the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. One NSA document says "the overt purpose" for recording calls in the Bahamas is "for legitimate commercial service." But the same document adds: "Our covert mission is the provision of SIGINT," or signals intelligence. Documents released by Snowden show the system is part of a broader program known as MYSTIC, which also monitors the telephone communications in Mexico, the Philippines and Kenya, as well as one other country which The Intercept says it is not naming in response to government concerns that doing so could lead to increased violence. We speak to the story's lead reporter, Ryan Devereaux.
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hock::AARON MATÉ: A new report reveals the National Security Agency is recording every single phone call made in the Bahamas, even though the U.S. has said the Caribbean nation poses little to no threat to Americans. The story is based on documents leaked by Edward Snowden that describe a classified program called SOMALGET, which was put in place by the NSA without the knowledge or consent of the Bahamian government. Instead, the website The Intercept reports the agency seems to have obtained access through the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. One NSA document says "the overt purpose" for recording calls in the Bahamas is, quote, "for legitimate commercial service." But the same document adds, quote, "Our covert mission is the provision of SIGINT," or signals intelligence.
AMY GOODMAN: Documents released by Snowden show the system is part of a broader program known as MYSTIC, which also monitors the telephone communications in Mexico, the Philippines, Kenya, as well as one other country which The Intercept says it's not naming in response to specific credible concerns that doing so could lead to increased violence.
For more, we're joined by the story's lead author, Ryan Devereaux, a staff reporter with The Intercept. His new story with Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras is "Data Pirates of the Caribbean: The NSA Is Recording Every Cell Phone Call in the Bahamas."
Welcome back to Democracy Now!, Ryan. So, talk about your findings. Summarize them, step by step.
RYAN DEVEREAUX: Right. So, as you mentioned, our story details an NSA program called MYSTIC, first detailed in a Washington Post story. MYSTIC was developed by the NSA in 2009. It's variously sponsored through a number of subprograms which are controlled by the NSA's Commercial Solutions Center. This is the NSA wing that works with the NSA's secret corporate partners. As you know, the NSA wouldn't be able to function if it wasn't for the corporate partners that it relies on to gain access to communications networks in various countries. It's also co-sponsored by the CIA, Central Intelligence Agency, and the Drug Enforcement Administration, the DEA. So, as you mentioned, this program has gained access in Mexico, Kenya, the Philippines, the Bahamas, and one other country that The Intercept is not naming at this time.
AMY GOODMAN: Now, why don'thave youis the government telling you not to name it?
RYAN DEVEREAUX: This is a conversation that we had for weeks, as we sort of reported this story, trying to determine whether or not it was responsible to name this country. The NSA and the government didn't want us to name any of these countries. We named four of them. With this final country, we came to the conclusion that naming it would very likely increase risk for people on the ground. And as you know, Amy, this is one of those decisions that, as a journalist covering national security stories, is very difficult to make. And we don't take it lightly at all. But when it comes to potential for people being killed, we take that very seriously. Unfortunately, that's about as much as I can say about that country. We did, however, name a number of other countries that the government doesn't want us to name, including the Bahamas.
Now, it's important in understanding the story to understand the difference between MYSTIC and SOMALGET. MYSTIC is the Commercial Solutions Center program that provides legitimate commercial services to foreign governments, while collecting covertly, on the side and in the background, signals intelligence on those countries. So, this program targets the mobile communications networks of these countries. Basically, what the NYI'm sorry, what the NSA does is sneak in there through its commercial provider and pull out signals intelligence. So, the second program, SOMALGET, which is active in the Bahamas, is even more robust. What SOMALGET does is attacks the mobile communications network and sucks up the actual content of calls on that line. So, in the Bahamas, the NSA is able to pick up every single phone call on the mobile communications network and essentially house those calls for up to 30 days, allowing U.S. analysts to go back and retrieve the communications of people who they weren't targeting. The idea is that they are able to listen in on conversations that they weren't looking for in the first place. In the case of the Bahamas, where the most realistic reason why the NSA might have an interest in things going on in the Bahamas is drug issues, smuggling issues
AMY GOODMAN: Isn't it also a key tax haven?
RYAN DEVEREAUX: It's a key tax haven, but these documents do not lay out any interest on the part of the NSA in taking down money launderers. Though the NSA may very well be interested in that, this specific program, according to the documents, targets drug traffickers and human traffickers. It does not target the major financial institutions and Western banks that underpin the black market for drug trafficking and human trafficking. It is about revealing specific traffickers. The documents talk about uncovering a plot to ship nearly 90 pounds of marijuana to the United States. This isn't about taking down the sort of power brokers in the drug trade.
So what the NSA has been able to do here in the Bahamas is basically collect everything that's there, be able to basically resurrect conversations at will. And they're using this as a test bed, basically. That is the exact phrase that the NSA uses in the documents. The Bahamas is being used as a test bed and for implementation of these systems elsewhere.
AARON MATÉ: So that's key. So, it's not particularly the case that they're going after somebody in the Bahamas. The Bahamas just could be a test run for their operations worldwide. But let's go into this. You basically expose this Trojan horse, where the DEA asks the Bahamas for a wiretap, say, on a drug dealer. The DEA then takes that wiretap and hands over access to Bahamian telecommunications to the NSA, who then taps the entire country. Is that legal? And could that then jeopardize the existing and legitimate law enforcement actions that are in place with the DEA?
RYAN DEVEREAUX: So this is one of the most important elements of this story, I think, for people to understand. On the legal issue, the NSA is operating in a pretty gray area here. The Bahamas has been working in the last several years to sort of establish statutes surrounding communications intercepts, but it's all sort of still in the works. A lot of other countries around the world have existing standards and statutes regarding the interception of communications. Now, that's not to say this is legal byunder Bahamian law, right? It doesn't seem to be. It seems to be illegal. But still, the Bahamas is a bit behind some other countries in terms of rigorous standards. With respect to U.S. law, under Executive Order 12333, which the NSA and the CIA uses to conduct surveillance abroad, there's a lot that U.S. analysts and agents can do. So this could very well, under Executive Order 12333, be illegal for the NSA to be doing.
Now, the more important question about what this means for U.S. cooperation with foreign law enforcement agencies and the DEA's operations abroad, this is central and key, because the idea of lawful intercept, the very thing that allows the NSA access to these networks, is premised on the idea that you have a specific person that you're targeting who is under suspicion of criminal activity. A judge signs a warrant. You know, this is judicially approved, and you go after one person. You don't tap an entire country in hopes of finding something that's interesting.
AMY GOODMAN: And the role of private contractors? We just have 30 seconds.
RYAN DEVEREAUX: The role of private contractors, as I mentioned here, is essential. The NSA wouldn't be able to do what it does without the help of the private sector. And that's exactly how they got in here in the Bahamas and how they get in in other countries around the world.
AMY GOODMAN: And what most surprised you?
RYAN DEVEREAUX: What most surprised me is that it's the Bahamas. This is a Carnival cruise destination; this isn't a terrorist hotbed.
The Bahamas? - Keith Millea - 20-05-2014
WikiLeaks Threatens To Reveal Information That Glenn Greenwald Says Could Lead To 'Deaths'
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The @WikiLeaks Twitter handle is widely considered to be run by its founder, Julian Assange. "We will reveal the name of the censored country whose population is being mass recorded in 72 hours." WikiLeaks on Twitter
America's National Security Agency (NSA) can "vacuum up and store the actual content of every conversation" in the Bahamas and an unnamed country, the new publication The Intercept reported Monday, based on documents leaked by Edward Snowden. Intercept editor Glenn Greenwald who wrote about documents leaked by Snowden when he was a columnist at The Guardian said the publication didn't reveal the country because it was "very convinced" that doing so would lead to "deaths."
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The Intercept This graphic shows the countries targeted in the program detailed by The Intercept. After a heated discussion among WikiLeaks, Greenwald, Intercept editor in chief John Cook, and American WikiLeaks hacker turned Der Spiegal contributor Jacob Appelbaum, WikiLeaks tweeted that it would reveal the name of the second country being spied on by the NSA.
@GGreenwald @johnjcook We will reveal the name of the censored country whose population is being mass recorded in 72 hours. WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) May 19, 2014
That threat implies that WikiLeaks knows the other country which would be possible only if the rogue publishing organization deduced it from the redaction or has access to the Snowden documents.
The most plausible way for WikiLeaks to have access to a Snowden cache is if Appelbaum, who led the reporting on several Der Spiegel articles based on NSA documents (which may or may not be from Snowden), shared information with his friend and WikiLeaks editor in chief Julian Assange.
Applebaum tweeted that The Intercept's redaction was "a mistake." Appelbaum, a close friend of Laura Poitras, the other journalist whom Snowden gave a large set of documents, also gave a presentation detailing a classified document listing technology available to the NSA's hacking unit, known as TAO.
It is not known how he acquired those documents. These coincidences do not imply that Appelbaum knows the unnamed country or that he offered this information to Assange there are other ways WikiLeaks may be able to obtain Snowden documents but the close association between Appelbaum and the key players involved are significant if they lend credibility to WikiLeaks' threat.
The threat's potential for harm is real: Snowden's closest source and the U.S. government believe that revealing the unnamed country "could lead to increased violence." Scary stuff. [URL="http://www.businessinsider.com/wikileaks-says-it-will-reveal-redacted-country-2014-5"]
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The Bahamas? - Drew Phipps - 20-05-2014
The other countries listed all have connections to international drug smuggling and money laundering, and so might be legitimate targets of a DEA program, but Kenya? Nobody buys drugs from there. Other than being the nationality of the father of our Preident, and the site of a recent spate of terrorist acts, notably directed against Israeli targets, which wouldn't be the concern of the DEA, what does Kenya have that sparks US national security concerns?
The Bahamas? - David Guyatt - 21-05-2014
Drew Phipps Wrote:The other countries listed all have connections to international drug smuggling and money laundering, and so might be legitimate targets of a DEA program, but Kenya? Nobody buys drugs from there. Other than being the nationality of the father of our Preident, and the site of a recent spate of terrorist acts, notably directed against Israeli targets, which wouldn't be the concern of the DEA, what does Kenya have that sparks US national security concerns?
They have large oil reserves. And they are exporting titanium to China, which alone I think, would be enough for the USA to take interest.
The Bahamas? - Magda Hassan - 21-05-2014
Drew Phipps Wrote:The other countries listed all have connections to international drug smuggling and money laundering, and so might be legitimate targets of a DEA program...Given the fact that parts of the DEA are up to their eyeballs in procuring, moving and distributing drugs of various kinds I'd say it more likely they are using their monopoly advantage over their competitors and freelancers
The Bahamas? - Magda Hassan - 21-05-2014
I'm thinking the other country might be Jamaica.
The Bahamas? - Drew Phipps - 21-05-2014
Plenty ganja there, mon!