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Is that SHELLEY with the Oswald/Cuban group at the Trade Mart re:FPCC in Aug 1963? - David Josephs - 22-05-2014
Hadn't noticed it before... but that certainly looks like Bill Shelley
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Is that SHELLEY with the Oswald/Cuban group at the Trade Mart re:FPCC in Aug 1963? - Richard Hocking - 23-05-2014
Hi David,
General appearance very similar. Hairline and style is a match. The cheekbones look identical.
Is he wearing the same suit jacket?
My first impression is they are the same guy.
Now what is Shelley doing there with Oswald?
Nice find.
Is that SHELLEY with the Oswald/Cuban group at the Trade Mart re:FPCC in Aug 1963? - Tracy Riddle - 23-05-2014
Yes, the resemblance is pretty remarkable.
Mr. BALL - What is your education?
Mr. SHELLEY - High school.
Mr. BALL - What have you been doing since then?
Mr. SHELLEY - I worked in defense plants a little bit during the war and started working at the Texas School Book Depository October 29, 1945.
Mr. BALL - (After leaving room for last answer, Mr. Ball returns.) Did you tell her all about yourself?
Mr. SHELLEY - You wanted to know when I was born.
Mr. BALL - You told us that, and you had your high school education?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - What kind of work have you done since then?
Mr. SHELLEY - I've told her.
Mr. BALL - How long have you worked at Texas School Book Depository?
Mr. SHELLEY - She already has it, October 29, 1945.
Mr. BALL - October 29, 1945---steady since that date?
Mr. SHELLEY - Oh, yes.
Mr. BALL - In November 1963, what was your job down there?
Mr. SHELLEY - Well, I am manager of the miscellaneous department and have been for several years.
Yep, every company has a miscellaneous department. Unlike other witnesses, who were asked for detailed accounts of their backgrounds, the WC seems to have taken down most of Shelley's personal information off the record while Ball was out of the room.
In "The Glaze Letters" by William Weston, in The Fourth Decade, it says that William Shelley told journalist Elize Glaze he'd "been an intelligence officer during World War II and thereafter joined the CIA."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId=520425
Is that SHELLEY with the Oswald/Cuban group at the Trade Mart re:FPCC in Aug 1963? - Peter Lemkin - 23-05-2014
Yes, very interesting find!!!
Is that SHELLEY with the Oswald/Cuban group at the Trade Mart re:FPCC in Aug 1963? - Terry Gilkeson - 20-06-2014
They both have ties on and pompadors, but the image you are using from New Orleans is far from clear, with shadows on two thirds of the face and the hand obscuring it, whereas the Dallas shot is straight on and leaves no ambiguities.
Is that SHELLEY with the Oswald/Cuban group at the Trade Mart re:FPCC in Aug 1963? - Drew Phipps - 20-06-2014
Do we have an original transcript with edits? Certainly seems to be a disconnect in his answer about employment history. Also, Ball leaving the rom during the answer? (Amazing that he could scoot out of the room during a single sentence. Must have been a small room.) Why leave? Could it be so that he could later plausibly say that he didn't hear the witness utter perjury?
Graphic demonstration of how little fact finding meant to these guys.
Is that SHELLEY with the Oswald/Cuban group at the Trade Mart re:FPCC in Aug 1963? - Albert Doyle - 20-06-2014
That might explain all the Shelley/Lovelady confusion.
Is that SHELLEY with the Oswald/Cuban group at the Trade Mart re:FPCC in Aug 1963? - David Josephs - 20-06-2014
We've all been looking at that image for a long time...
I'd love to hear from Jim D or Joan M as to whether or not Garrison made any connections to Shelley... and Shelley to the Shaw/Bannister/Ferrie/Oswald group that summer...
Has it ever been suggested that this person is someone else?
Sometimes you get shown the light in the strangest of places....
DJ
Is that SHELLEY with the Oswald/Cuban group at the Trade Mart re:FPCC in Aug 1963? - Chris Davidson - 20-06-2014
Hi David,
The best I have.
Reduce them in viewing size for a little sharper image.
http://www.mejuba.com/albums/jfkass/112938/10615021/show/original
http://www.mejuba.com/albums/jfkass/112938/10615020/show/original
cheers,
chris
Is that SHELLEY with the Oswald/Cuban group at the Trade Mart re:FPCC in Aug 1963? - Drew Phipps - 20-06-2014
Did Shelley smoke cigars or cigarillos? Cause that guy is smoking something brown.