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Brice Taylor: Thanks for the Memories - Lauren Johnson - 12-06-2014
from Wikispooks
Quote:You simply will not believe much of what you read in this book. If you persevere reading it, you will also be repelled - not to say revolted - by it. WikiSpooks can offer no guidance on its veracity (in the strict legal sense) either. All we can say is that it is part and parcel of a mountain of evidence about the mind-shattering effects of theCIA's MKULTRA program and its derivatives that began in the USA and UK in the late 50's and, in one form or another continue today. It is also closely bound up with The Pedophocracy.
Brice Taylor: Thanks for the Memories - David Guyatt - 12-06-2014
Personally, I'm not sure I find her or her story entirely credible. Naming names is eye-catching but the lack of meaningful evidence in support of what she says leaves me incredibly cautious.
During the day I never found the Mark Phillips and Cathy O'Brien story at all believable either.
Brice Taylor: Thanks for the Memories - Magda Hassan - 12-06-2014
I know Jan never accepted the Monarch story. He has interviewed some of the people who claimed to have been in it. There are some threads here about it. Yes. Lack of verifiable evidence.
Brice Taylor: Thanks for the Memories - David Guyatt - 12-06-2014
Magda Hassan Wrote:I know Jan never accepted the Monarch story. He has interviewed some of the people who claimed to have been in it. There are some threads here about it. Yes. Lack of verifiable evidence.
Aye, and Jan wasn't alone in that re Monarch. There is no reliable evidence for it. No one who objectively researched it came away with a sense of reality about it.
Brice Taylor: Thanks for the Memories - Magda Hassan - 12-06-2014
But the government was involved in all manner of other clandestine programs and using human guinea pigs.
Brice Taylor: Thanks for the Memories - David Guyatt - 12-06-2014
Yes, and the problem as I see it is that Cathy O'Brien type stories that appear from time to time actually damages the credibility of genuine cases.
Maybe that is what they're designed to do?
Brice Taylor: Thanks for the Memories - Lauren Johnson - 12-06-2014
David Guyatt Wrote:Yes, and the problem as I see it is that Cathy O'Brien type stories that appear from time to time actually damages the credibility of genuine cases.
Maybe that is what they're designed to do?
I went back read some older stuff in the Roman Polanski thread where you say the same thing.
The confusion may have started when you posted stuff from the Vigilant Citizen where he uses the term "beta sex kitten" certainly implying these were more than party girls in Eyes Wide Shut.
Brice Taylor: Thanks for the Memories - Lauren Johnson - 12-06-2014
Here's something from the Way Back machine: Gunther Russbacher on Project Monarch
Quote:Project and/or Operation Monarch was a completely fictitious series created and released to the public simply to side track serious investigators. You can always judge the authenticity of serious reporters or investigative journals by paying attention to the things they have said about Project/Operation Monarch. This does not mean that the "victims" of Monarch are not real, what it means is that the entire Project was created as a cover story to keep people busy following the Project Monarch leads, while the real work went on in hospitals and doctors' offices around the country.
The whole interview should be read with a grain of salt.
Brice Taylor: Thanks for the Memories - David Guyatt - 13-06-2014
Lauren Johnson Wrote:Here's something from the Way Back machine: Gunther Russbacher on Project Monarch
Quote:Project and/or Operation Monarch was a completely fictitious series created and released to the public simply to side track serious investigators. You can always judge the authenticity of serious reporters or investigative journals by paying attention to the things they have said about Project/Operation Monarch. This does not mean that the "victims" of Monarch are not real, what it means is that the entire Project was created as a cover story to keep people busy following the Project Monarch leads, while the real work went on in hospitals and doctors' offices around the country.
The whole interview should be read with a grain of salt.
Yes, great care needs to be taken. I personally liked Rayelen and she provided some really very interesting documents to me about some of Gunther's activities, but she openly proclaimed that she mixed fact with fantasy in order to stay safe. I only ever spoke to Gunther whereas Jan met him, but he was, admittedly, a complex man.
Brice Taylor: Thanks for the Memories - Lauren Johnson - 14-06-2014
David, after reading your evaluation, I had decided to just ignore it. But I decided to read it anyway. As I have found it do be convincing, even though I remain unconvinced -- far from it. I just haven't been able to dismiss it. Frankly, there is so much detail in the book, it would seem that it is either written by a very gifted fabulist, or she is telling the truth. Her story is horrifying, disgusting, appalling, and I would certainly hope you are right in dismissing it. You certainly have been deeply involved in this area.
Having said this, as I am writing this I have just finished the book and went to the front to read the intro chapters. I was surprised to read what Walter Bowar said:
Quote:I cannot tell you the experiences Sue Ford reports are accurate to the letter, since I was not a
witness to all of them. But, as I revealed in Operation Mind Control (1994), I once saw Sue on a Palm
Springs golf course in the company of her alleged handler, Bob Hope. At that time I was Editor-in-Chief
of Palm Springs Life magazine, which had just won the "Maggie" Award for publishing the best city
magazine. It was at the Bob Hope Classic that I saw Sue, but I didn't speak to her, as I was busy covering
the happenings and celebrities, which have graced the magazine since the 1950's. Sue was one of the Bob
Hope Classic hostesses, assisting the public and the press in a variety of functions.
My path crossed Sue's again years later when I was interviewing another survivor of mind control,
but I'll spare you those details. Just read my book. I can tell you that Sue Ford believes the story she has
written with all her being, and her account as described herein has remained consistent.
Most of her memories, conveyed in her book, she obtained outside of the therapy setting on the
Island of Kauai, while journaling on the beach, since she could not afford a therapist at that time. The
perceived safety of the location and the steady sound of the waves in the background provided her with
the ability to focus inward, allowing intense flashbacks to recur, including intense memory of her
physical sensations during those events (called body memories), all of which she was able to write down
in her journals. Sue's journals are amazingly free of mistakes, and that's no small feat since they were
written in indelible ink. One gets the impression that Sue simply 'downloaded' this material from her
inner 'multiple personalities,' who were desperately wanting to get this information out.
She certainly has convinced a lot of people not to mention herself. She still appears to be actively involved after all these years speaking out about satanic abuse and mind control.
Like I said, I can't bring myself to dismiss her story as much as I would like to.