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The Battle for Novorussiya - Lauren Johnson - 14-01-2015 In the larger US/NATO war on Russia, it appears the so-called Anti-Terrorist Operation (ATO) is about to resume in full force. Although the various Ukrainian units, I hesitate to call them an army, never stopped attacking mostly via the use of artillery attacks on civilian targets, they have mostly been re-supplying, re-organizing, digging in and training while negotiations where being conducted. All negotiations have come to an end with not signs of any serious resumption in the offing. While the Ukrainian President Poroshenko was in Paris showing solidarity with the victims of terror, his units massively increased their shelling of Donesk and Gorlovka along with probing attacks by attacks by recon units. Today in what appears to be some kind of failed false flag, a Pravy Sector unit attacked and destroyed a bus carrying what they said were terrorists with anti-personnel mines. When it was revealed that the bus was filled with civilians, they tried to lay the blame on separatist units. That story was quickly refuted. The Saker has been getting reports of long tank columns approaching the front lines. A fourth mobilization in Ukraine is about to take place targeting about 200,000 people. Official Russian communications state they have reliable information that the Ukrainian decision is for war. The outcome? Russia would like for the separatist republics to survive with nothing more than the covert aid that it supplies. The Ukrainian forces would obviously like to annihilate the resistance and kill or drive out the Russian speaking population. US/NATO can be satisfied if Russia is drawn into the conflict to prevent the Donbass from being overrun. The propaganda opportunities will be endless. Finally, I read a report (rumor?) that CNN has units in Eastern Ukraine. :hock:: The Battle for Novorussiya - Magda Hassan - 14-01-2015 Yes, there was not much ceasefire at all. I heard that they were looking to mobilise women as soldiers and confiscating (borrowing?) vehicles from businesses. The Battle for Novorussiya - Lauren Johnson - 15-01-2015 From Vladimir Suchan on FB: Quote:As it turned out, the trip of Poroshenko "I am Bandera" to Paris to march in solidarity with haters and mockers of religions ("I am perverse Charlie"), where he was able to receive new personal instructions from his masters, also coincided with his order to resume the war against Donbass in full blast. In other words, the war is now fully raging along the whole front from Mariupol in the south to Lugansk in the north. EDIT: There needs to be a lot more confirmation on this. The Battle for Novorussiya - Magda Hassan - 15-01-2015 Lauren Johnson Wrote:From Vladimir Suchan on FB: Grahame Phillips said there was major fighting at Donetsk airport (again? still?) with in the last couple of hours. The Battle for Novorussiya - Lauren Johnson - 15-01-2015 Magda Hassan Wrote:Lauren Johnson Wrote:From Vladimir Suchan on FB: Every time the airport is liberated, the next day or so comes another update. And then there was the day when replacements were allowed in with removal of some casualties. Weird. There even was a video of Motorola greeting the other commander. Suspicion? They are trying to prove they are not worthy of accepting desertions. The word today was that the final soldiers would be allowed to leave the airport, otherwise they would be killed. I don't get it. Another Minsk Accord meeting is set for 1/16. The last one ended with no progress. There does not seem to be any Russian press coverage about the conflict. The Kremlin certainly is not pushing the war. The last official Russian position was that the Donbass region is a part of Ukraine. On the other hand, the Saker continues to say that Russia cannot and will not allow Novorussiya to be over run. My own guess is that if Russia could find a way to give the appearance of a peace accord, they would take it. Since US/NATO is running the show, it's their call. I think war is in the works short of Putin accepting a humiliating defeat. The Battle for Novorussiya - Magda Hassan - 15-01-2015 How viable is Ukraine really though? Sure the oligarchs and some NATO interests are pushing the envelope but they are really scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as money and assets go. There war is not universally supported even in the western Ukraine. Lots of resistance and foot dragging. Lots of pissed off government workers, teachers and health care workers and others who have had pay cuts. Even the EU wont put all their money on this clapped out horse. Maybe this offensive is the hoorah before the chocolate king melts down and the rest of Ukraine with him? The Battle for Novorussiya - Lauren Johnson - 15-01-2015 Magda Hassan Wrote:How viable is Ukraine really though? Sure the oligarchs and some NATO interests are pushing the envelope but they are really scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as money and assets go. There war is not universally supported even in the western Ukraine. Lots of resistance and foot dragging. Lots of pissed off government workers, teachers and health care workers and others who have had pay cuts. Even the EU wont put all their money on this clapped out horse. Maybe this offensive is the hoorah before the chocolate king melts down and the rest of Ukraine with him? Just. Not. Viable. But I don't think that's the point. The state runs on both terrorizing its own citizens as well as lots of propaganda. The full mobilization of the population is now going forward. I saw a video of some Pravy Sector boys leading some of their cheers with everyone supporting it except for one old man who was roundly booed. I'm putting my money on the force of hate enforced by terror to carry the day. It's a winning combination for the dark forces. The Battle for Novorussiya - Lauren Johnson - 16-01-2015 Maggie, Here's an article of young men fleeing, mostly to Russia, to escape the coming conscription in Ukraine. Glad they can get out. Also, along your line of thinking, I understand the Ukrainian Kolomoisky run punitive battalions are do not want to fight their "brothers." The Battle for Novorussiya - Lauren Johnson - 16-01-2015 Better brush up on your Russian before watching this. It's the visuals that are so powerful. Ahhh ... victory is soooo sweet. The Battle for Novorussiya - Lauren Johnson - 16-01-2015 The constant talking points from Ukrainian, European, and US leaders is that Russian backed separatists must fully and completely comply with the Minsk Accords. This is said despite the constant shelling of civilian targets ever since the signing of the Minsk Accords. Now there is the issue of the destruction of a civilian bus by the Pravy Sector, supposedly designed to boost the sagging morale of the normal conscript. They for the most part do not want to fight. Here is a very good article from GlobalResearch and a video taken from a dashcam showing the blast coming from the right side of the bus from an anti-personnel mine. One more thing, this act was declared a terrorism of course, and guess who is all over that one. Quote:On January 13th 12 passengers on a bus going to Donetsk were killed in an explosion near the Ukrainian controlled town of Volnovaha. Ten casualties were reported directly and two more died later in the hospital. Both Kiev and Marie Harf of the Obama Administration were quick to put the blame on the Novorussia army saying it was an artillery strike."Attacks on the airport of Donetsk and the shelling of the bus, which killed 10 people and injured 13 more, constitute gross violations of the Minsk agreements", said Harf. This video is in Russian, but the visuals are quite obvious. |