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The Battle for Novorussiya - Lauren Johnson - 12-12-2015

And in other news, Pavel Dremov mudered, another in a long line of Donbass militia leaders killed.



EDIT:

Quote:The killing of Cossack Commander Pavel Dremov fell on the Day of the Russian Constitution adopted on December 12, 1993.Formally, Putin's mentor and Kseniya Sobchak's father, A. Sobchak, and late Nemtsov, the previous leader of Russia's official 5th column, are held as the putative fathers of this constitution. It is now, however, a common knowledge that, as in the case of the Ukrainian constitution and other post-Soviet constitutions, the new Russian constitution was composed by U.S. experts and then translated into Russian. The Constitution is not only a (neo)liberal constitution, it is a colonial constitution. It says that international norms have priority over Russian sovereignty, the Russian government is forbidden to have any "ideology," and the Central Bank must be independent of the government, that is, to be in fact a filial of the US Federal Reserve.
Speaker of the Federation Council, pearls-loving Valentina Matvienko declared that there is no need to ever change that this constitution and that she hopes that this will not happen as far as she can think.

from V Suchan FB


The Battle for Novorussiya - Lauren Johnson - 28-12-2015

The key graphs from a pretty lame article from Russian Insider on the appointment of Boris Gryzlov to head up the Minsk II contact group:

Quote:As for the reasons for Gryzlov's appointment, it is surely connected to Russian frustration with the deadlock in the Minsk process.

Not only has the Ukrainian government entirely failed to carry out the political commitments it made in February in Minsk, but the military situation in the Donbass is deteriorating once more.

Gryzlov's appointment puts a strong man - and one Putin trusts - in place to deal with the situation as it deteriorates.

With Putin feeling increasingly confident that Western interest in Ukraine in slackening, he has now brought a tough and reliable man onto the scene who can be relied upon to shape the situation in Russia's interests.

What the article talks around is the most probable role for Gryzlov: to end the political existence of Novorussiya as part of a (probable) deal between Russia and the US involving concessions in Syria for the sacrifice of the Donbass.


The Battle for Novorussiya - Lauren Johnson - 16-01-2016

from Vladimir Suchan on FB commenting on the very recent talks in Kaliningrad between Nuland and Surkov.

Quote:Judging from this statement made by Nuland (http://www.novorosinform.org/news/id/45585) after meeting with Surkov in Kaliningrad, the previous scenario of gradual, stealthy "Ukraininization" (and then Nazification) of the DPR and the LPR via tailored elections (the Nicaragua 1990 model) has been abandoned as unrealistic. Now, the slogan and demand is "real elections," which means "elections" only with the Ukrainian parties, the Ukrainian media, and above all under control of Kiev. In practice this means that demilitarization, disarming, or, most likely, military neutralization of the DPR and the LPR now has a priority.This direction was already at work via the creation of the so-called buffer zones, neutral zones or gray zones in the guise of which the NAF effectively withdrew from its positions in numerous places, the Kiev forces occupied most of these "neutral" territories, including officially 8 villages and significantly improved its tactical and strategic positions. As a result of this organized, prescribed withdrawal, the DPR and the LPR lost in the last year a notable portion of the territories, especially around Shirokino. If you look on the map, you can see that, effectively, the NAF created unilaterally a safe zone around Mariuopol in exchange for nothing in return. No such a safe zone was created or carved around Donetsk or Gorlovka. And, yesterday, the head of the OSCE mission to Ukraine made it official: all these buffer zones are and were always meant to be Kiev's zones and territories, just like the DPR and the LPR. Therefore, by seizing these supposedly "neutral zones," Kiev did not violate any Minsk agreements. For this is how the "buffer and withdrawal zones" were always intended to work.

Despite Moscow, the DPR and the LPR tried to lie about the fact that the cancelling of the last Fall elections in the DPR and the LPR was their own initiative, everyone following the crisis knew that the opposite was true. It was Kiev's demand, backed up by the West. But, as usual, the Kremlin tried to present a defeat once again as a victory and yet another proof and instance of its impeccable strategy and winning.

The LPR is to hold these elections now in February, but there is no talk about them. Both the West and Kiev made it more than clear that, under the existing conditions--without clear and indisputable control by Kiev--any elections there are out of questions--they are not allowed. If before "elections" were considered as a possible way of changing the regime in the DPR and the LPR, the calculus is now to change the regime there through talks and arrangements with the Kremlin directly. That's where the Surkov-Nuland talks and other recent activities come in.

In this respect, a new scenario is becoming more likely--the Krajina model in which a quick military defeat of the entity is premised on guarantees that its protector (in Krajina's case Yugoslavia/Serbia and here Russia) will not come to defense of their attacked kinsmen and, in fact, will do the opposite--will undermine as much as possible the combat readiness, the spirit, and strength of the place and the people which the West wants to see defeated and subdued, including sharing of intelligence.

The signs continue to point that Suchan has the correct read. My guess is that the RF is in increasingly tough straights as the price of oil continues to plummet. The Anglo-American Empire has proven it is willing to put the world into a depression to dismantle Asia, the holy grail of geo-strategic thinking.


The Battle for Novorussiya - Paul Rigby - 31-01-2016

Chaos and war on Russia's border

January 30, 2016

http://thesaker.is/chaos-and-war-on-russias-border-must-see/

Dear friends,

This is a conversation between one of the foremost Russian experts on the Ukraine, Rostislav Ishchenko, and one of the best know Russian military experts, Igor Korotchenko. Both of them have Ukrainian last names and Ishchenko actually worked for several Ukrainian presidents. These two guys really know what is going on and both of them enjoy a superb access to Russian decision-makers. In this conversation they discuss the Ukrainian crisis, the war in Syria and other national security issues in great detail and from many aspects. This is why I asked Eugenia to subtitle this video even though it is a very long one (1 hour and 20 minutes). An immense THANK YOU to Eugenia for taking on such a huge task (even though she has a demanding job and a family!). The fact that such long, but detailed and extremely interesting conversations are translated by volunteers of the Saker Community greatly contributes to make our blogs something unique.

Enjoy this most interesting discussion and please let us know what you think.

Kind regards,

The Saker

Video translated and subtitled by Eugenia

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The Battle for Novorussiya - Lauren Johnson - 10-03-2016

From Russell Bonner Bentley's FB:

Quote:BREAKING NEWS - UKROP NAZIS ATTACK YASYNUVATA AND ROAD TO GORLOVKA, BREAK CEASEFIRE AND MINSK II. WE WILL BE GOING THERE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, WITH OUR CAMERAS AND WITH OUR GUNS....
Gorlovka is not cut off yet. There are two roads between Gorlovka and Donetsk. One is still open, one is now under ukrop fire.

and from MilitaryMaps.info. So far, I haven't found other comments confirming this. The Kremlin as yet has not lectured the DNR to stick to obeying Minsk II.

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The Battle for Novorussiya - Lauren Johnson - 25-05-2016

Because ... why?

Quote:Kremlin's official, sanitized account of the last night phone conversation with Poroshenko, Merkel, and Poroshenko does confirm that a key point of discussion was enlargement of powers of the OSCE "by granting [the mission] additional powers" in Donbass. Of course, to make it "more effective."

Source: Vladimir Suchan's FB


The Battle for Novorussiya - Magda Hassan - 25-05-2016

Lauren Johnson Wrote:Because ... why?

Quote:Kremlin's official, sanitized account of the last night phone conversation with Poroshenko, Merkel, and Poroshenko does confirm that a key point of discussion was enlargement of powers of the OSCE "by granting [the mission] additional powers" in Donbass. Of course, to make it "more effective."

Source: Vladimir Suchan's FB

::gtfo::


The Battle for Novorussiya - Lauren Johnson - 25-05-2016

Putin pardons and releases Savchenko in exchange for the release of two Russian journalists.


The Battle for Novorussiya - Lauren Johnson - 25-05-2016

Lauren Johnson Wrote:Putin pardons and releases Savchenko in exchange for the release of two Russian journalists.

From V. Suchan

Quote:It is absolutely clear that the swap of Savchenko for the two captured Russian soldiers was finalized on Monday night during the "Normandy" call. Its cover and the junta's stance demanded that the Russian soldiers, denied being such by the Kremlin, ask for pardon (i.e. forgiveness) from the fascists. They refused. Thus the request was made on their behalf by their Ukrainian advocate. In turn, the Kremlin cooked up a story that the widows of the two Russian journalists on whom Savchenko directed fire coincidentally and conveniently asked Putin today early in the morning to pardon Savchenko, which Putin, prescribing this very "request," generously granted at his early breakfast.

Putin the magnificent and his Surkovian team thus could not come up with a better lie and cover than using poor women, widows of the killed journalists, to do this trade, thus once again showing the regime immoral, hypocritical, insincere, and spineless character.



The Battle for Novorussiya - Paul Rigby - 26-05-2016

Lauren Johnson Wrote:
Lauren Johnson Wrote:Putin pardons and releases Savchenko in exchange for the release of two Russian journalists.

From V. Suchan

Quote:It is absolutely clear that the swap of Savchenko for the two captured Russian soldiers was finalized on Monday night during the "Normandy" call. Its cover and the junta's stance demanded that the Russian soldiers, denied being such by the Kremlin, ask for pardon (i.e. forgiveness) from the fascists. They refused. Thus the request was made on their behalf by their Ukrainian advocate. In turn, the Kremlin cooked up a story that the widows of the two Russian journalists on whom Savchenko directed fire coincidentally and conveniently asked Putin today early in the morning to pardon Savchenko, which Putin, prescribing this very "request," generously granted at his early breakfast.

Putin the magnificent and his Surkovian team thus could not come up with a better lie and cover than using poor women, widows of the killed journalists, to do this trade, thus once again showing the regime immoral, hypocritical, insincere, and spineless character.

Lada Ray Report: Real Reason Putin Pardoned Murderer Nadezhda Savchenko

https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2016/05/26/the-real-reason-putin-pardoned-murderer-nadezhda-savchenko/

THE REAL REASON SAVCHENKO WAS RELEASED

jyotishmoy | May 25, 2016

Lady Lada, Putin has signed a decree pardoning "Nadezhda Savchenko" recently! i just don't know what to say about this !!? Just hope, we do not see her again directing Ukrainian artillery on Donbass & Lugansk, within months ! That would be very sad outcome !

Quote:I'll give you my view of why Savchenko was pardoned and released.

Savchenko = bargaining chip

Firstly, I believe that she was from the start perceived by Russian leadership as a bargaining chip. She was taken prisoner, tried and convicted, while the hysteria in Ukraine and West around her intensified. While unpleasant, I believe that Russians wanted this hysteria to take place, for one purpose: to hype up her value as a bargaining chip.

There were constant screams from Ukraine and West: free Nadezhda Savchenko.' Savchenko kept announcing her fake dry hunger strikes,' which no one believed. After a dry hunger strike a person can't even stand on one's feet, while she was jumping up and down during trial and screaming out obscenities. Yulia Timoshenko tried to capitalize on Savchenko's fame by nominating her to Ukraine Rada from her party. While remaining in Russian jail, Savchenko, bypassing any imaginable laws, suddenly became a Rada deputy. I believe Savchenko was also elected' in absentia to Europarliament (illegally, of course).

It appears the Rada isn't a zoo enough Savchenko will definitely enhance its Lord of the Flies' look. Europarliament is right behind the Ukraine Rada in that.

All the above hype made Savchenko nothing in real life a very valuable bargaining chip.

Poroshenko vs Timoshenko

One of the things many overlook is that Poroshenko is mortally afraid of Savchenko returning to Kiev in her present capacity as a perceived victor. With her loud and black mouth, plus no brains to speak of, she may become someone who may damage Poroshenko's reputation and wreak havoc in the Rada. She may cause havoc in Europarliament, as well.

Poroshenko is afraid that she will be used to rival him. Yulia Timoshenko will do everything to wind her up and set her loose on her rival. Timoshenko is licking her lips at the presidential post, dreaming about unseating Poroshenko. One possibility: she can announce her candidacy together with Savchenko. Considering how stupid and deranged Savchenko is, it'll be nice to see these spiders in a jar devouring each other.

Basically, they all do what US ambassador, Nuland and Biden say. I described how it all works in ESR3: OLIGARCH WARS. Incidentally, US ambassador Payet, who orchestrated Kiev maidan and 2014 coup together with Nuland, is out, replaced with another colonial ruler. But it's still the same drill. That said, it's getting really hard for the US to keep all these spiders in Ukrainian jar under control. Soon, it will prove impossible.

If Savchenko remained in Russian jail

Another thing to keep in mind about Savchenko is that for the duration of her being in a Russian jail she would be creating PR ops all around her persona by constantly going on fake hunger strikes and yelling and screaming for Western audiences how she is being mistreated.

Then, there is the issue of her security. It is almost certain that she would have been killed in Russian jail within 1-2 years.

By whom? Either by Ukraine operatives or by CIA, probably working together. Why? Because to them she is a lot more valuable dead than alive. Her dying in Russian jail would be yet another GOLDEN opportunity to vilify Russia and get a new round of sanctions going.

Hermitage Capital, Magnitsky Act and anti-Russian conspiracy

This is not a supposition, but an almost 100% assurance. Do you recall the death in a Russian jail of Sergei Magnitsky? Supposedly, Magnitsky died of a heart attack as a result of not being given proper medical care. However, it is well-known in Russia that a member of medical personnel was bribed (it was an infiltration, actually) not to provide medical care when prisoner needed it, resulting in his death. Magnitsky is presented in the West as a lawyer to Hermitage Capital. This is false: Magnitsky was an accountant, not a lawyer. Here's why it's important.

Hermitage Capital was a US/UK investment company that was accused by Russian authorities in money laundering and tax avoidance. Magnitsky was the accountant who was in charge of the cooking of the books.

In reality, Hermitage Capital was the front for subversive conspiracy focused on regime change in Russia. It was curated by MI6 and CIA. The goal was to unseat Putin and sabotage Russian industry, leading to the country's complete disintegration. The supposed investment company Hermitage worked with a very influential pro-West Russian opposition leader, whom it supplied with money, secret intel and instructions.

In THE EARTH SHIFTER and in ESR3: OLIGARCH WARS I described the high-profile case involving oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky and his cronies. Khodorkovsky was nailed on charges of money laundering, while the real charge should have been treason. The Hermitage Capital story is another one in the same vein, the difference being that pro-West political oppositioner was used as a pointman, instead of oligarchs.

In OLIGARCH WARS I also mention another oligarch Boris Berezovsky and the failed plot to blame Putin for his sudden death in London. In the Hermitage Capital conspiracy Berezovsky is important. This story is even more convoluted than Khodorkovsky's. I have the full material on the recently revealed scandal, who blew the whistle and who was implicated. I may have an Earth Shift Report on that soon (stay tuned!).

Long story short, Magnitsky was very dangerous to CIA alive in jail, where he could eventually start talking, but he was very valuable dead. He conveniently and suddenly dies and now we have the Magnitsky Act.

Wikipedia tells us what it is: The Magnitsky Act, formally known as the Russia and Moldova Jackson-Vanik Repeal and Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act of 2012, is a bipartisan bill passed by the U.S. Congress and President Obama in NovemberDecember 2012, intending to punish Russian officials responsible for the death of Russian lawyer Sergei Magnitsky in a Moscow prison in 2009.

So, If, by some miracle, Ukraine or CIA didn't get Savchenko in Russian jail, chances are those who suffered from ukro-nazis, battalion Aidar or as a result of Savchenko's personal actions, would. Frankly, if I were the president of Russia, I wouldn't want this kind of high maintenance prisoner on my territory. Try her, give her guilty verdict and maximum sentence and then unleash this furious Trojan Horse on Ukraine to undermine it from within a much better plan.

If she remained, I'd have fully expected Savchenko to die in Russian prison of some mysterious cause, thus triggering US Congress and Europarliament passing the Savchenko Act.'

When she dies in Kiev, it'll be their problem. In either event, keeping this hysterical and not very bright ukro-nazi alive and happy will be a very big job. Good luck to them they'll need it.