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Motivation and being a LN'r. - Alan Denholm - 31-03-2015
I still have the one nagging unanswered question about the JFK assassination, and I have seen or read no suitable explanation of the answer WHY?, WHY would Oswald on his own do it.
When you look at recent high profile assassinations both successful and attempted and you look at the people responsible , both the John Lennon and Ronald Regan's assassins were without doubt mentally ill. The victims were not the object of the crime and the killers motives were not directly linked to their victim.The victims almost seemed to be an afterthought, a small cog in a larger demented picture.
So why would Oswald do it, he never had any axe to grind with Kennedy, he had no history of mental problems. In fact he seemed to be a good solid American citizen and totally fails to fit the profile of a LN'r. He joins the marines, he is not drafted. He goes to Japan where he works at a fairly high level in a top secret radar site and learns Russian. He returns to the USA leaves the marines and then defects to USSR where he stays for some years , gets married to a Russian girl , and then sees the error of his ways and returns with consummate ease to the USA. Goes to New Orleans and gets mixed up in some anti-castro stuff. Leaves and goes to Dallas where he eventually gets a minimum wage $60 a week job in the TSBD , despite having for that time you would think some marketable skills in Radar and Language, in time for his date with his destiny the 24th of November where Ruby shoots him.
Here is a man who seems through his life to be involved or in the sphere either directly or indirectly with a wide and weird collection of intelligence types and even has an alias, complete with paperwork. He buys two easily traceable mail order guns but no bullets , when he could have bought ,with less effort better quality weapons with no paper work in any Dallas gun shop or Pawn shop. He then is supposed to shoot JFK and some local policeman who bares a close resemblance to JFK. Then runs all round Dallas and gets caught for entering a cinema without paying 50c when he has enough money for a cab fare , by , is it 13 police cars worth of Dallas policemen. When the president is dead and you think they might have more important duties to attend to.
Oswald does not fit the LN profile so beloved by the WC apologists, he seems to have a huge history and an amazingly easy to follow profile throughout his life when LN'r are often anonymous, on the fringes of normal society until they commit their crime that they hope will propel them to prominence. So if Oswald is not a LN'r what is he , a patsy maybe.
Motivation and being a LN'r. - Albert Doyle - 31-03-2015
Alan Denholm Wrote:When you look at recent high profile assassinations both successful and attempted and you look at the people responsible , both the John Lennon and Ronald Regan's assassins were without doubt mentally ill.
No. It's a big mistake to say Mark David Chapman was mentally ill. He was no more mentally ill than Sirhan Sirhan.
Motivation and being a LN'r. - Tracy Riddle - 01-04-2015
George de Mohrenschildt said shortly before his death: "No matter what they say, Lee Harvey Oswald was a delightful guy. They make a moron out of him, but he was smart as hell. Ahead of his time really, a kind of hippie of those days. In fact, he was the most honest man I knew. And I will tell you this - I am sure he did not shoot the president."
WC supporters can, by being very selective and deceptive, paint a portrait of Oswald as a disturbed person. Of course, you could do that with anyone if you cherry-pick certain events, statements and witnesses from their life.
Other WC supporters will claim Oswald was a militant leftist and Castro lover, and that he was angry with Kennedy over his "war with Castro." There is really no evidence of this, though.
Also, the reality about Chapman and Hinckley (and Arthur Bremer, Tim McVeigh and others) are much more complicated than the official stories tell us.
Motivation and being a LN'r. - Drew Phipps - 01-04-2015
The "most convincing" motives I have heard attributed to Oswald were:
a) He was shooting at Connally, who (as Secretary of War?) had denied his request to restore his discharge;
b) He was mad at Marina because she wouldn't sleep with him, and also she had expressed a desire to see the handsome young stud President at the parade;
c) He was mad that Ruth Paine and Marina had developed such a warm and close relationship and he was being systematically excluded (and also Ruth Paine was an admirer of JFK); (I must say that this motive is made less likely since the truly most incriminating thing Oswald said during his unrecorded police interrogations was, "Leave her (Ruth Paine) out of this." If he was pissed at RP for developing such an intimately friendly relationship with his wife it seems unlikely that he would choose to attempt to protect her.); and
d) He was "in" the CIA/Mongoose/anti-Castro/C-Day movement far enough to know that the Americans were trying to assassinate Castro.
This is not to say that I agree with any or all of the above, but, in my mind, they are the "most convincing motives" that have been attributed to him to date.
Motivation and being a LN'r. - Tracy Riddle - 02-04-2015
Drew Phipps Wrote:The "most convincing" motives I have heard attributed to Oswald were:
a) He was shooting at Connally, who (as Secretary of War?) had denied his request to restore his discharge;
b) He was mad at Marina because she wouldn't sleep with him, and also she had expressed a desire to see the handsome young stud President at the parade;
Connally was Secretary of the Navy. We have the same problem as with JFK: why didn't Oswald shoot at the car as it approached the TSBD, or turned on to Elm? The easiest shot in the world. Both men were on the right side of the car, and directly below the sniper's lair.
As for b), Oswald doesn't appear to have been that interested in sex (or any other "vice"). He seems to have been pretty stoic and simple & self-disciplined in his tastes. The kind of guy who could live in a little room and be happy with his books. Marina, on the other hand (according to a lot of things I've read), was quite sexually active, enjoyed smoking, shopping and generally indulging in the American Way of Life. They were a pretty mismatched couple.
Motivation and being a LN'r. - Albert Doyle - 02-04-2015
Tracy Riddle Wrote:As for b), Oswald doesn't appear to have been that interested in sex (or any other "vice"). He seems to have been pretty stoic and simple & self-disciplined in his tastes. The kind of guy who could live in a little room and be happy with his books. Marina, on the other hand (according to a lot of things I've read), was quite sexually active, enjoyed smoking, shopping and generally indulging in the American Way of Life. They were a pretty mismatched couple.
I would be careful of generalizations regarding these two. Their relationship was most defined by the current silence Marina keeps for our Gestapo then and now.