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The SS and FBI place 4 shots in and around Z313 - just not Z313 - David Josephs - 04-01-2016
The following illustrates an amazing conflict.
During the creation of WCD298's model the FBI & SS had the Film as a reference to place the shots on Elm.
The film is most famous for the image of the headshot at frame 313.
Yet in this image taken during the Dec 1963 recreation and subsequently marked by the SS after the West Survey data was known we see
both our favorite agencies missing the mark completely - in essence offering a 2nd and 3rd shot location which does not relate to Z313 at all.
The first in my next series of articles looks directly into WCD298 and this Model Hoover offers as the FBI explanation of the event. www.ctka.net
For those who argue the Zfilm was not altered - they need to explain how the FBI and SS place their 2nd and 3rd shots prior to and well after that location when the available evidence points to
a completely different scenario
Z313 can be seen just above the "c" in 'Secret Service Shots 2 & 3'
The WCD298 articles will prove the removal of events after Z313 and begin to examine the how/whys behind the evidence which was offered in that document.
DJ
The SS and FBI place 4 shots in and around Z313 - just not Z313 - Bob Prudhomme - 05-01-2016
David Josephs Wrote:The following illustrates an amazing conflict.
During the creation of WCD298's model the FBI & SS had the Film as a reference to place the shots on Elm.
The film is most famous for the image of the headshot at frame 313.
Yet in this image taken during the Dec 1963 recreation and subsequently marked by the SS after the West Survey data was known we see
both our favorite agencies missing the mark completely - in essence offering a 2nd and 3rd shot location which does not relate to Z313 at all.
The first in my next series of articles looks directly into WCD298 and this Model Hoover offers as the FBI explanation of the event. www.ctka.net
For those who argue the Zfilm was not altered - they need to explain how the FBI and SS place their 2nd and 3rd shots prior to and well after that location when the available evidence points to
a completely different scenario
Z313 can be seen just above the "c" in 'Secret Service Shots 2 & 3'
The WCD298 articles will prove the removal of events after Z313 and begin to examine the how/whys behind the evidence which was offered in that document.
DJ
Thanks for starting this thread, Dave. I never tire of hearing about WCD 298.
The SS and FBI place 4 shots in and around Z313 - just not Z313 - David Josephs - 05-01-2016
Thanks Bob... When all is said and done I'll have about 100 pages in 3 Parts on WCD298.
Here too is another example of what became of 298's work once they figured it could not be used... CE879 used a photo from this model after the string lines were removed and when the cars are nowhere near any of the "shot" positions.
Ya think they were trying to hide something in plain sight again here?
The SS and FBI place 4 shots in and around Z313 - just not Z313 - David Josephs - 05-01-2016
One more thing for the Zalteration non-believers... Altgens' testimony and the original WEST surveys...
The frame at bottom right is the frame at about which JFK's head is passing near 5+00 on the street, where the SS puts the headshot (CE875) http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0449a.htm
Above right is what appears to me as Altgens taking a photo as Hill is coming into the frame. So much more to come...
DJ
The SS and FBI place 4 shots in and around Z313 - just not Z313 - Alan Ford - 05-01-2016
Brilliant, Mr. Joseph :
:In their haste to lie to an unsuspecting public, the lying treasonous cowards made a grave mistake: they underestimated the public's ability to discern the difference between fairytale and reality.
Best wishes on your research presentation here, yet another debunking of the official scam upon closer examination.
The SS and FBI place 4 shots in and around Z313 - just not Z313 - David Josephs - 05-01-2016
A special shout out to Tom Purvis is needed since he was the one who secured the original Robert West Survey notes.
Looking at CE884, CE875 is in direct conflict and explains why the legend & analysis ends at 313
What will follow when all three parts are up at ctka will be a natural progression...
If there were more shots, especially a "third shot" occurring after z313 - then something must have been done to the film/photo record to remove these activities and shot results...
It also means that the FBI and SS were looking at different source materials in order to build the model than what we see today.
My look at the Zfilm alteration will not be based on some of the film's anomolies and impossibilities but on the activities offered in Evidence between 12:30 and the analysis of the 9 pieces of film called the "original" housed at the Archives.
I believe I can prove there was another film circulating that night which became the basis for the altered final film... but all good things in all good time...
Thank you for the kind words Alan....
The SS and FBI place 4 shots in and around Z313 - just not Z313 - Alan Ford - 05-01-2016
David Josephs Wrote:A special shout out to Tom Purvis is needed since he was the one who secured the original Robert West Survey notes.
Looking at CE884, CE875 is in direct conflict and explains why the legend & analysis ends at 313
What will follow when all three parts are up at ctka will be a natural progression...
If there were more shots, especially a "third shot" occurring after z313 - then something must have been done to the film/photo record to remove these activities and shot results...
It also means that the FBI and SS were looking at different source materials in order to build the model than what we see today.
My look at the Zfilm alteration will not be based on some of the film's anomolies and impossibilities but on the activities offered in Evidence between 12:30 and the analysis of the 9 pieces of film called the "original" housed at the Archives.
I believe I can prove there was another film circulating that night which became the basis for the altered final film... but all good things in all good time...
Thank you for the kind words Alan....
Welcome!, Mr. Joseph
Also, Way to go, Mr. Purvis!, great job securing this vital information. It's so encouraging that people dedicated to the truth in this matter work so diligently. Future generations will know beyond a shadow of doubt that evil men murdered an unarmed representative of the people, and stole a nation's guiding principles with their underhanded power grab. It's way past time to put this fairytale about a lone gunman to rest.
The SS and FBI place 4 shots in and around Z313 - just not Z313 - Chris Davidson - 05-01-2016
David Josephs Wrote:Above right is what appears to me as Altgens taking a photo as Hill is coming into the frame. So much more to come...
DJ
Among other reactions.
chris
The SS and FBI place 4 shots in and around Z313 - just not Z313 - David Josephs - 11-01-2016
It's one thing to say that shots where fired further down Elm... it's another to prove it.
Altgens claims the shots came when JFK was within 15 feet of him and that he missed that photo.
Moorman's photo makes it appear as if JFK is at the Z313 location to the EAST of the cones and identified shots from this following graphic.
The #2 FBI cone is obviously just in front of that black asphalt patch.
Yet as the inset overhead view shows... that leads directly to Altgens and the yellow curb by his feet.
Once we accept that these shots were indeed fired and that the FBI/SS must have had source material to support these placements
The films and photos of the shooting itself is only captured by a handful of images: Zapruder, Nix & Muchmore with a single photo by Moorman (the Bronson frames are not very clear).
There are no other images of the shooting itself. Bell is just after and helps prove the removal of Chaney with the McIntyre photo.
Ther is no way to line up FBI cone #2 and Moorman from the Zapruder pedastal (top left)
Somehow at least this shot if not a few more are removed from the evidentiary record.
If I am watching the Z film in its current state we can see EXACTLY where a headshot is shown
yet none of the SS/FBI locations matches to it.
The conclusion we must draw from this is that the FBI and SS saw source materials that are completely different from the evidence available today.
Zapruder's film alteration is not too hard to track, Nix's original is gone and Muchmore claims to have NEVER taken any footage of the shooting.
Moorman cannot be equated to any of these shots while both the SS and FBi have shot occurring after z313
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Kellerman, you said earlier that there were at least two additional shots. Is there any area in your mind or possibility, as you recollect that situation, that there could have been more than two shots, or are you able to say with any certainty?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say that I have, from the firecracker report and the two other shots that I know, those were three shots. But, Mr. Specter, if President Kennedy had from all reports four wounds, Governor Connally three, there have got to be more than three shots, gentlemen.
Senator COOPER. What is that answer? What did he say?
Mr. SPECTER. Will you repeat that, Mr. Kellerman?
Mr. KELLERMAN. President Kennedy had four wounds, two in the head and shoulder and the neck. Governor Connally, from our reports, had three. There have got to be more than three shots.
Representative FORD. Is that why you have described--
Mr. KELLERMAN. The flurry.
Mr. SPECTER. When was it that Mrs. Kennedy made the statement which you have described, "My God, what are they doing?"
Mr. KELLERMAN. This occurred after the flurry of shots.
Mr. SPECTER. At that time you looked back and saw Special Agent Hill across the trunk of the car, had your automobile accelerated by that time?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Tremendously so; yes.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, to the best of your ability to recollect, exactly when did your automobile first accelerate?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Our car accelerated immediately on the time-at the time--this flurry of shots came into it.
Mr. SPECTER. Would you say the acceleration--
Mr. KELLERMAN. Between the second and third shot.
I love how a FLURRY OF SHOTS can come between two identified shots #2 & #3 - wouldn't that make shot #3 = shot #2 + a flurry of shots ???.
This also confirms there being another shot after Hill gets on the limo... which is not shown in the evidence.... Part 3 in the works... CTKA will be reposting Part 1 with Part 2 shortly...
DJ
The SS and FBI place 4 shots in and around Z313 - just not Z313 - Chris Davidson - 13-01-2016
The 59 Impala is 17.5 ft long.
The Limo was 21.3 ft long.
What "mark" do you believe the pylons represented back in the early investigations?
chris
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