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Help Needed - Bob Prudhomme - 05-01-2016 I would like to begin a thread about certain discrepancies I have found in JFK's autopsy report, written by Commander James Humes. The report can be found in Appendix IX of the Warren Commission Report. https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-09.pdf Unfortunately, this is a pdf file, and I am unable to copy and paste excerpts from it. I have had a couple of members attempt to teach me how to c/p from a pdf file but, with my limited computer skills, they might as well have been speaking Greek to me. Could I perhaps request that someone, who knows how to do this, c/p the relative paragraphs and sentences for me? P.S. I should add I have been unsuccessful in finding a non-pdf version of Appendix IX of the WCR online. Help Needed - David Josephs - 05-01-2016 Here are a couple things for you Bob... The first is a diagram of what Humes said plotted ain the natomically correct locations he describes in his testimony. Followed by the Text of the Autopsy Report and the Supplemental Report. Finally I need to add - JFK had numerous back surgeries, plates, screws etc... in and out of that area of his body... His PRE xray has metal scattered within the vertebrae Yet Humes et al can sign the following? JFK didn't even need to be there for this Autopsy report to be written... 1500cc brain, please. [size=12]Skeletal System Aside from the above described skull wounds there are no significant gross skeletal abnormalities. [/SIZE]
Warren ReportAppendix IX - Autopsy Report and Supplemental ReportClinical Record - Autopsy ProtocolDate 11/22/63 1300 (CST) Prosecter: CDR J.J. Humes, MC, USA (497831) Assistant: CDR "J" Thornton Boswell, MC, USN, (439878); LCOL, Pierre A. Finck, MC, USA (04 043 322) Full Autopsy Ht. - 72 1/2 inches Wt. - 170 pounds Eyes - blue Hair - Reddish brown Pathological diagnosis: Cause of Death: Gunshot wound, head. Signature: J.J. Humes, CDS, MC, USN Military organization: President, United States Age: 46 Sex: Male Race: Caucasian Autopsy No. A63-272 Patient's Identification: Kennedy, John F., Naval Medical School Clinical Summary According to available information the deceased, President John F. Kennedy, was riding in an open car in a motorcade during an official visit to Dallas, Texas on 22 November 1963. The President was sitting in the right rear seat with Mrs. Kennedy seated on the same seat to his left. Sitting directly in front of the President was Governor John B. Connally of Texasand directly in front of Mrs. Kennedy sat Mrs. Connally. The vehicle was moving at a slow rate of speed down an incline into an underpass that leads to a freeway route to the Dallas Trade Mart where the President was to deliver an address. Three shots were heard and the President fell forward bleeding from the head. (Governor Connally was seriously wounded by the same gunfire.) According to newspaper reports ("Washington Post" November 23, 1963) Bob Jackson, a Dallas "Times Herald" Photographer, said he looked around as he heard the shots and saw a rifle barrel disappearing into a window on an upper floor of the nearby Texas School Book Depository Building. Shortly following the wounding of the two men the car was driven to Parkland Hospitalin Dallas. Inthe emergency room of that hospital the President was attended by Dr. Malcolm Perry. Telephone communication with Dr. Perry on November 23, 1963 develops the following information relative to the observations made by Dr. Perry and procedures performed there prior to death. Dr. Perry noted the massive wound of the head and a second much smaller wound of the low anterior neck in approximately the midline. A tracheostomy was performed by extending the latter wound. At this point bloody air was noted bubbling from the wound and an injury to the right lateral wall of the trachea was observed. Incisions were made in the upper anterior chest wall bilaterally to combat possible subcutaneous emphysema. Intravenous infusions of blood and saline were begun and oxygen was administered. Despite these measures cardiac arrest occurred and closed chest cardiac massage failed to re-establish cardiac action. The President was pronounced dead approximately thirty to forty minutes after receiving his wounds. The remains were transported via the Presidential plane to Washington, D.C.and subsequently to the Naval Medical School, National NavalMedical Center,Bethesda, Marylandfor postmortem examination. General Description of the Body The body is that of a muscular, well-developed and well nourished adult Caucasian male measuring 72 1/2 inches and weighing approximately 170 pounds. There is beginning rigor mortis, minimal dependent livor mortis of the dorsum, and early algor mortis. The hair is reddish brown and abundant, the eyes are blue, the right pupil measuring 8 mm. in diameter, the left 4 mm. There is edema and ecchymosis of the inner canthus region of the left eyelid measuring approximately 1.5 cm. in greatest diameter. There is edema and ecchymosis diffusely over the right supra-orbital ridge with abnormal mobility of the underlying bone. (The remainder of the scalp will be described with the skull.) There is clotted blood on the external ears but otherwise the ears, nares, and mouth are essentially unremarkable. The teeth are in excellent repair and there is some pallor of the oral mucous membrane. Situated on the upper right posterior thorax just above the upper border of the scapula there is a 7 x 4 millimeter oval wound. This wound is measured to be 14 cm. from the tip of the right acromion process and 14 cm. below the tip of the right mastoid process. Situated in the low anterior neck at approximately the level of the third and fourth tracheal rings is a 6.5 cm. long transverse wound with widely gaping irregular edges. (The depth and character of these wounds will be further described below.) Situated on the anterior chest wall in the nipple line are bilateral 2 cm. long recent transverse surgical incisions into the subcutaneous tissue. The one on the left is situated 11 cm. cephalad to the nipple and the one on the right 8 cm. cephalad to the nipple. There is no hemorrhage or ecchymosis associated with these wounds. A similar clean wound measuring 2 cm. in length is situated on the antero-lateral aspect of the left mid arm. Situated on the antero-lateral aspect of each ankle is a recent 2 cm. transverse incision into the subcutaneous tissue. There is an old well healed 8 cm. McBurney abdominal incision. Over the lumbar spine in the midline is an old, well healed 15 cm. scar. Situated on the upper antero-lateral aspect of the right thigh is an old, well healed 8 cm. scar. Missile Wounds 1. There is a large irregular defect of the scalp and skull on the right involving chiefly the parietal bone but extending somewhat into the temporal and occipital regions. In this region there is an actual absence of scalp and bone producing a defect which measures approximately 13 cm. in greatest diameter. From the irregular margins of the above scalp defect tears extend in stellate fashion into the more or less intact scalp as follows: a. From the right inferior temporo-parietal margin anterior to the right ear to a point slightly above the tragus. b. From the anterior parietal margin anteriorly on the forehead to approximately 4 cm. above the right orbital ridge. c. From the left margin of the main defect across the midline antero-laterally for a distance of approximately 8 cm. d. From the same starting point as c. 10 cm. postero-laterally. Situated in the posterior scalp approximately 2.5 cm. laterally to the right and slightly above the external occipital protuberance is a lacerated wound measuring 15 x 6 mm. In the underlying bone is a corresponding wound through the skull which exhibits beveling of the margins of the bone when viewed from the inner aspect of the skull. Clearly visible in the above described large skull defect and exuding from it is lacerated brain tissue which on close inspection proves to represent the major portion of the right cerebral hemisphere. At this point it is noted that the falx cerebri is extensively lacerated with disruption of the superior saggital sinus. Upon reflecting the scalp multiple complete fracture lines are seen to radiate from both the large defect at the vertex and the smaller wound at the occiput. These vary greatly in length and direction, the longest measuring approximately 19 cm. These result in the production of numerous fragments which vary in size from a few millimeters to 10 cm. in greatest diameter. The complexity of these fractures and the fragments thus produced tax satisfactory verbal description and are better appreciated in photographs and roentgenograms which are prepared. The brain is removed and preserved for further study following formalin fixation. Received as separate specimens from Dallas, Texas are three fragments of skull bone which in aggregate roughly approximate the dimensions of the large defect described above. At one angle of the largest of these fragments is a portion of the perimeter of a roughly circular wound presumably of exit which exhibits beveling of the outer aspect of the bone and is estimated to measure approximately 2.5 to 3.0 cm. in diameter. Roentgenograms of this fragment reveal minute particles of metal in the bone at this margin. Roentgenograms of the skull reveal multiple minute metallic fragments along a line corresponding with a line joining the above described small occipital wound and the right supra-orbital ridge. From the surface of the disrupted right cerebral cortex two small irregularly shaped fragments of metal are recovered. These measure 7 x 2 mm. and 3 x 1 mm. These are placed in the custody of Agents Francis X. O'Neill, Jr. and James W. Sibert, of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, who executed a receipt therefor (attached). 2. The second wound presumably of entry is that described above in the upper right posterior thorax. Beneath the skin there is ecchymosis of subcutaneous tissue and musculature. The missile path through the fascia and musculature cannot be easily proved. The wound presumably of exit was that described by Dr. Malcolm Perry of Dallas in thelow anterior cervical region. When observed by Dr. Perry the wound measured "a few millimeters in diameter", however it was extended as a tracheostomy incision and thus its character is distorted at the time of autopsy. However there is considerable eccymosis of the strap muscles of the right side of the neck and of the fascia about the trachea adjacent to the line of the tracheostomy wound. The third point of reference in connecting these two wounds is in the apex (supra-clavicular portion) of the right pleural cavity. In this region there is contusion of the parietal pleura and of the extreme apical portion of the right upper lobe of the lung. In both instances the diameter of contusion and ecchymosis at the point of maximal involvement measures 5 cm. Both the visceral and parietal pleura are intact overlying these areas of trauma. Incisions The scalp wounds are extended in the coronal plane to examine the cranial content and the customary (Y) shaped incision is used to examine the body cavities. Thoracic Cavity The bony cage is unremarkable. The thoracic organs are in their normal positions are relationships and there is no increase in free pleural fluid. The above described area of contusion in the apical portion of the right pleural cavity is noted. Lungs The lungs are of essentially similar appearance the right weighing 320 Gm., the left 290 Gm. The lungs are well aerated with smooth glistening pleural surfaces and gray-pink color. A 5 cm. diameter area of purplish red discoloration and increased firmness to palpation is situated in the apical portion of the right upper lobe. This corresponds to the similar area described in the overlying parietal pleura. Incision in this region reveals recent hemorrhage into pulmonary parenchyma. Heart The pericardial cavity is smooth walled and contains approximately 10 cc. of straw-colored fluid. The heart is of essentially normal external contour and weighs 350 Gm. The pulmonary artery is opened in situ and no abnormalities are noted. The cardiac chambers contain moderate amounts of postmortem clotted blood. There are no gross abnormalities of the leaflets of any of the cardiac valves. The following are the circumferences of the cardiac valves: aortic 7.5 cm., pulmonic 7 cm., tricuspid 12 cm., mitral 11 cm. The myocardium is firm and reddish brown. The left ventricular myocardium averages 1.2 cm. in thickness, the right ventricular myocardium 0.4 cm. The coronary arteries are dissected and are of normal distribution and smooth walled and elastic throughout. Abdominal Cavity The abdominal organs are in their normal positions and relationships and there is no increase in free peritoneal fluid. The vermiform appendix is surgically absent and there are a few adhesions joining the region of the cecum to the ventral abdominal wall at the above described old abdominal incisional scar. Skeletal System Aside from the above described skull wounds there are no significant gross skeletal abnormalities. Photography Black and white and color photographs depicting significant findings are exposed but not developed. These photographs were placed in the custody of Agent RoyE. Kellerman of the U.S. Secret Service, who executed a receipt therefore (attached). Roentgenograms Roentgenograms are made of the entire body and of the separately submitted three fragments of skull bone. These are developed are were placed in the custody of Agent Roy H. Kellerman of the U.S. Secret Service, who executed a receipt therefor (attached). Summary Based on the above observations it is our opinion that the deceased died as a result of two perforating gunshot wounds inflicted by high velocity projectiles fired by a person or persons unknown. The projectiles were fired from a point behind and somewhat above the level of the deceased. The observations and available information do not permit a satisfactory estimate as to the sequence of the two wounds. The fatal missile entered the skull above and to the right of the external occipital protuberance. A portion of the projectile traversed the cranial cavity in a posterior-anterior direction (see lateral skull roentgenograms) depositing minute particles along its path. A portion of the projectile made its exit through the parietal bone on the right carrying with it portions of cerebrum, skull and scalp. The two wounds of the skull combined with the force of the missile produced extensive fragmentation of the skull, laceration of the superior saggital sinus, and of the right cerebral hemisphere. The other missile entered the right superior posterior thorax above the scapula and traversed the soft tissues of the supra-scapular and the supra-clavicular portions of the base of the right side of the neck. This missile produced contusions of the right apical parietal pleura and of the apical portion of the right upper lobe of the lung. The missile contused the strap muscles of the right side of the neck, damaged the trachea and made its exit through the anterior surface of the neck. As far as can be ascertained this missile struck no bony structures in its path through the body. In addition, it is our opinion that the wound of the skull produced such extensive damage to the brain as to preclude the possibility of the deceased surviving this injury. A supplementary report will be submitted following more detailed examination of the brain and of microscopic sections. However, it is not anticipated that these examinations will materially alter the findings. /s/ J. J. HUMES CDR, MC, USN (497831) /s/ "J" THORNTON BOSWELL CDR, MC, USN (489878) /s/ PIERRE A. FINCK LT COL, MC, USA (04-043-322) Supplementary Report of Autopsy Number A63-272 President John F. Kennedy Pathological Examination Report No. A63-272 Gross Description of the Brain Following formalin fixation the brain weighs 1500 gms. The right cerebral hemisphere is found to be markedly disrupted. There is a longitudinal laceration of the right hemisphere which is para-sagittal in position approximately 2.5 cm. to the right of the of the midline which extends from the tip of the occipital lobe posteriorly to the tip of the frontal lobe anteriorly. The base of the laceration is situated approximately 4.5 cm. below the vertex in the white matter. There is considerable loss of cortical substance above the base of the laceration, particularly in the parietal lobe. The margins of this laceration are at all points jagged and irregular, with additional lacerations extending in varying directions and for varying distances from the main laceration. In addition, there is a laceration of the corpus callosum extending from the genu to the tail. Exposed in this latter laceration are the interiors of the right lateral and third ventricles. When viewed from the vertex the left cerebral hemisphere is intact. There is marked engorgement of meningeal blood vessels of the left temporal and frontal regions with considerable associated sub-arachnoid hemorrhage. The gyri and sulci over the left hemisphere are of essentially normal size and distribution. Those on the right are too fragmented and distorted for satisfactory description. When viewed from the basilar aspect the disruption of the right cortex is again obvious. There is a longitudinal laceration of the mid-brain through the floor of the third ventricle just behind the optic chiasm and the mammillary bodies. This laceration partially communicates with an oblique 1.5 cm. tear through the left cerebral peduncle. There are irregular superficial lacerations over the basilar aspects of the left temporal and frontal lobes. In the interest of preserving the specimen coronal sections are not made. The following sections are taken for microscopic examination: a. From the margin of the laceration in the right parietal lobe. b. From the margin of the laceration in the corpus callosum. c. From the anterior portion of the laceration in the right frontal lobe. d. From the contused left fronto-parietal cortex. e. From the line of transection of the spinal cord. f. From the right cerebellar cortex. g. From the superficial laceration of the basilar aspect of the left temporal lobe. During the course of this examination seven (7) black and white and six (6) color 4x5 inch negatives are exposed but not developed (the cassettes containing these negatives have been delivered by hand to Rear Admiral George W. Burkley, MC, USN, White House Physician). Microscopic Examination Brain Multiple sections from representative areas as noted above are examined. All sections are essentially similar and show extensive disruption of brain tissue with associated hemorrhage. In none of the sections examined are there significant abnormalities other than those directly related to the recent trauma. Heart Sections show a moderate amount of sub-epicardial fat. The coronary arteries, myocardial fibers, and endocardium are unremarkable. Lungs Sections through the grossly described area of contusion in the right upper lobe exhibit disruption of alveolar walls and recent hemorrhage into alveoli. Sections are otherwise essentially unremarkable. Liver Sections show the normal hepatic architecture to be well preserved. The parenchymal cells exhibit markedly granular cytoplasm indicating high glycogen content which is characteristic of the "liver biopsy pattern" of sudden death. Spleen Sections show no significant abnormalities. Kidneys Sections show no significant abnormalities aside from dilatation and engorgement of blood vessels of all calibers. Skin Wounds Sections through the wounds in the occipital and upper right posterior thoracic regions are essentially similar. In each there is loss of continuity of the epidermis with coagulation necrosis of the tissues at the wound margins. The scalp wound exhibits several small fragments of bone at its margins in the subcutaneous tissue. Final Summary This supplementary report covers in more detail the extensive degree of cerebral trauma in this case. However neither this portion of the examination nor the microscopic examinations alter the previously submitted report or add significant details to the cause of death. /s/ J. J. HUMES CDR, MC, USN, 497831 Date: 6 December 1963 From: Commanding Officer, U. S. NavalMedical School To: The White House Physician Via: Commanding Officer, National Naval Medical Center Subj: Supplementary report of Naval Medical Schoolautopsy No. A63-272, John F. Kennedy; forwarding of 1. All copies of the above subject final supplementary report are forwarded herewith. /s/ J. H. STOVER, JR. 6 December 1963 First Endorsement From: Commanding Officer, National Naval Medical Center To: The White House Physician 1. Forwarded. /s/ 1.B. GALLOWAY http://jfklancer.com/autopsyrpt.html Help Needed - Bob Prudhomme - 05-01-2016 Thanks, Dave. As usual, you have gone above and beyond the call of duty. ![]() Here is the pertinent paragraph from Page 2 of the report: "Dr. Perry noted the massive wound of the head and a second much smaller wound of the low anterior neck in approximately the midline. A tracheostomy was performed by extending the latter wound. At this point bloody air was noted bubbling from the wound and an injury to the right lateral wall of the trachea was observed. Incisions were made in the upper anterior chest wall bilaterally to combat possible subcutaneous emphysema. Intravenous infusions of blood and saline were begun and oxygen was administered. Despite these measures cardiac arrest occurred and closed chest cardiac massage failed to re-establish cardiac action. The President was pronounced dead approximately thirty to forty minutes after receiving his wounds. The remains were transported via the Presidential plane to Washington, D.C.and subsequently to the Naval Medical School, National NavalMedical Center,Bethesda, Marylandfor postmortem examination." And here is the pertinent sentence from that paragraph that blows away any credibility Humes had as a physician, and puts the lie to the entire autopsy, as well as the Single Bullet Theory. Incisions were made in the upper anterior chest wall bilaterally to combat possible subcutaneous emphysema. Up next: "Is subcutaneous emphysema a life threatening condition?" or "Would an ER doctor take the time to relieve subcutaneous emphysema on a non-breathing pulseless patient?" Help Needed - Drew Phipps - 05-01-2016 from Wikipedia: "Subcutaneous emphysema is not typically dangerous in and of itself, however it can be a symptom of very dangerous underlying conditions, such as pneumothorax.[SUP][7][/SUP] Although the underlying conditions require treatment, subcutaneous emphysema usually does not; small amounts of air are reabsorbed by the body. However, subcutaneous emphysema can be uncomfortable and may interfere with breathing, and is often treated by removing air from the tissues, for example by using large bore needles, skin incisions or subcutaneous catheterization." (emphasis added) As I recall, Bob you posted a well-researched thread about JFK's observed pneumothorax. Help Needed - Drew Phipps - 05-01-2016 Here's this, too: Situated on the anterior chest wall in the nipple line are bilateral 2 cm. long recent transverse surgical incisions into the subcutaneous tissue. The one on the left is situated 11 cm. cephalad to the nipple and the one on the right 8 cm. cephalad to the nipple. There is no hemorrhage or ecchymosis associated with these wounds. A similar clean wound measuring 2 cm. in length is situated on the antero-lateral aspect of the left mid arm. Situated on the antero-lateral aspect of each ankle is a recent 2 cm. transverse incision into the subcutaneous tissue. The lack of hemorrhage and ecchymosis indicates cuts at or near the time of death. I can see why there might be an incision on his arm, if Parkland was pumping fluids into him in the hopes of keeping him alive, but 2 CM? Seems a bit large for an infusion needle. And why the ankles? Were they attempting three different blood infusion sites simultaneously? Why transverse cuts? Or were they looking for more subcutaneous emphysema sites? Help Needed - David Josephs - 05-01-2016 Bob, you can see the chest tube scar in the right chest which matches the location for where they SHOULD put it. I pretty sure it's just a standard ER technique when a lung might be collapsed give the "graze" over the top of the pluera yet did not break the pleura, so there may have been internal bleeding... Given his condition, these processes where simply CYA, IMO, in an effort to do everything possible... He was gone when Hill looks at him in the limo. Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head. Help Needed - Bob Prudhomme - 05-01-2016 Drew Phipps Wrote:from Wikipedia: Yes, subcutaneous emphysema will interfere with breathing but, ONLY if it has become so widespread and severe that it begins to interfere with the passage of air. Below are three photos showing severe and widespread subcutaneous emphysema: ![]() Did the Parkland physicians report JFK appearing like this? Does this resemble what JFK looked like in any of the autopsy photos? Help Needed - David Josephs - 05-01-2016 Not really the point Bob... The Parkland ER staff was going to do any and everything to try and save JFK... With an acknowledged chest injury, tubes are SOP.... In reality the tracheotomy was alos a waste - but they tried everything. He was dead in the limo. What are you trying to get at Bob? Help Needed - Bob Prudhomme - 05-01-2016 David Josephs Wrote:Not really the point Bob... No, it is completely the point, David. Perry observed blood and air bubbling in the mediastinum, once he had made the tracheostomy incision. As JFK was NOT being ventilated with positive pressure oxygen at the time Perry was performing the tracheostomy, why would there be air bubbles in the mediastinum? The mediastinum (from Medieval Latin mediastinus, "midway"[SUP][1][/SUP]) is the central compartment of the thoracic cavity surrounded byloose connective tissue, as an undelineated region that contains a group of structures within the thorax. The mediastinum contains the heart and its vessels, the esophagus, trachea, phrenic and cardiac nerves, the thoracic duct, thymus and lymph nodes of the central chest. ![]() They would not be coming from the wound in the trachea, as any air escaping his trachea at this point would immediately escape through the wound opening in his anterior neck, and would NOT be trapped in the mediastinum. No, David, air bubbles in the mediastinum could only indicate built up air pressure in one or both of JFK's pleural cavities (pneumothorax) and this build up of air pressure could only indicate chest damage FAR exceeding any light bruising of the top of JFK's right lung caused by a bullet passing through his neck. Perry did the right thing, in response to his observations while performing the tracheostomy, by calling for chest tubes to relieve tension pneumothoraces. However, for this kind of damage to JFK's right lung, a bullet would actually have to enter JFK's lung. If Humes was to admit this, there could be no back entry wound at C7/T1. The bullet would have to enter at T3. Not only would this destroy the Single Bullet Theory (which might not have been conceived yet on the night of the autopsy), there would be the greater mystery of why the bullet did not exit the front of JFK's chest. Once that cat was out of the bag, it would quickly be revealed that the reason this bullet did not exit was that the bullets shot at JFK were no ordinary full metal jacket round nosed bullets but were, instead, a very exotic type of bullet, unavailable to a minimum wage earner at the TSBD and designed for maximum killing power. Small wonder Humes had to come up with the impossible "shallow" back wound that barely penetrated JFK's back more than an inch. Help Needed - David Josephs - 05-01-2016 ok... now I get it. O'Connor claims they removed a bullet from the right intercostal muscles which had gone in and down to the right. I can't seem to get it to upload but if you google O'Connor, Probe, Vol 8 #3 Nov 2004 it's on page 49. The entire article is amazing... i think it's also at ctka.net in the archived issues. But he also says none of the removed organs had bullet holes or bullets in them. I think you're reinforcing the idea that the back wound was real, did range downward and did not exit. The FBI/SS says there was also another bullet lodged behind his ear and we know about the two CE399 deliveries. So when nay sayers ask where all the bullets are... they're right where they were supposed to be. DJ |