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Cliff - Magda Hassan - 21-11-2016
Cliff, you are not going to convince people here that the Democratic party is the solution to America's problems. Or the worlds problems. It's just not going to happen. So please just stop it. While you are trying to score imaginary points and get us to see the error of our ways and embrace Hillary/DNC/Obama/who ever the fascists march ever onwards and get a free ride in the media. With so called leftists quibbling, finger pointing and fighting amongst each other instead of uniting against fascism they will have an easy time of it. We don't have to accept liberalism or so called liberal icons to hate fascism.
When I say so called leftists it is because I don't hold much weight on the seating arrangements of an 18th century bourgeois institution as an appropriate description of political beliefs. It is not a disparagement of the people whose beliefs happen to get labelled 'left'. We need better symbolism and not to let others label us.
Your posts are safe but it will be better for all future relationships here to focus on the subject matter and not the members.
Cliff - Dawn Meredith - 21-11-2016
Amen! It's gotten very old.
Cliff - Cliff Varnell - 21-11-2016
Magda Hassan Wrote:Cliff, you are not going to convince people here that the Democratic party is the solution to America's problems. Or the worlds problems. It's just not going to happen. So please just stop it. While you are trying to score imaginary points and get us to see the error of our ways and embrace Hillary/DNC/Obama/who ever the fascists march ever onwards and get a free ride in the media. With so called leftists quibbling, finger pointing and fighting amongst each other instead of uniting against fascism they will have an easy time of it. We don't have to accept liberalism or so called liberal icons to hate fascism.
When I say so called leftists it is because I don't hold much weight on the seating arrangements of an 18th century bourgeois institution as an appropriate description of political beliefs. It is not a disparagement of the people whose beliefs happen to get labelled 'left'. We need better symbolism and not to let others label us.
Your posts are safe but it will be better for all future relationships here to focus on the subject matter and not the members.
This is a fundamental misrepresentation of my argument.
To tar Bernie people with the DNC/Hillary thing is beyond the pale.
And that's what you're doing.
Cliff - Lauren Johnson - 21-11-2016
[QUOTE]This is a fundamental misrepresentation of my argument.
To tar Bernie people with the DNC/Hillary thing is beyond the pale.
And that's what you're doing.[/QUOTE
Cliff, no that is not what she is doing. But you will never get it. Sad.
Cliff - Cliff Varnell - 21-11-2016
[quote=Lauren Johnson][QUOTE]This is a fundamental misrepresentation of my argument.
To tar Bernie people with the DNC/Hillary thing is beyond the pale.
And that's what you're doing.[/QUOTE
Cliff, no that is not what she is doing. But you will never get it. Sad.[/QUOTE]
I never said one thing in support of the DNC/Hillary. I stipulated to any critique of them put forward.
I identified two wings of the Democratic Party -- the DNC/Hillary moderate Globalist Proto-Autocracy wing, and the Bernie Sanders wing.
To claim I'm trying to convince anyone that the Globalist wing of the Dems is going to save the world is a crock.
Cliff - Tracy Riddle - 21-11-2016
Given that Trump used to be a Democrat (as Reagan once was), it shows that the problem is not really one of party identification, but the character of people like the Orange Mussolini and the people around him. We really have gotten used to the friendly, soft fascism of the Democratic party, and recoil in horror at the in-your-face hard fascism of the Republicans. But maybe that's what it will require to wake more people up. Maybe, as Susan Sarandon said many months ago, Trump would bring on the Revolution.
Cliff - Albert Doyle - 21-11-2016
The two bad choices this year were designed to elect an establishment candidate one way or the other, as well as dis-empower the democratic public with no democratic option.
The ease with which the rednecks voted against their own interests on Health Care is exactly why half-way Obama should have gone for full National Health Care.
Quote:Trump would bring on the Revolution.
This would require a substance and credibility amongst the public that may not exist any more.
Cliff - Lauren Johnson - 21-11-2016
Cliff - Magda Hassan - 21-11-2016
Magda Hassan Wrote:....While you are trying to score imaginary points and get us to see the error of our ways and embrace Hillary/DNC/Obama/who ever ....
...instead of uniting against fascism...
Cliff Varnell Wrote:This is a fundamental misrepresentation of my argument.
To tar Bernie people with the DNC/Hillary thing is beyond the pale.
And that's what you're doing.
::face.palm::
Cliff - David Guyatt - 22-11-2016
Tracy Riddle Wrote:Given that Trump used to be a Democrat (as Reagan once was), it shows that the problem is not really one of party identification, but the character of people like the Orange Mussolini and the people around him. We really have gotten used to the friendly, soft fascism of the Democratic party, and recoil in horror at the in-your-face hard fascism of the Republicans. But maybe that's what it will require to wake more people up. Maybe, as Susan Sarandon said many months ago, Trump would bring on the Revolution.
The fear is that soft fascism is simply a slow preparation for hard fascism to take deeper root. If Marine Le Pen was to win in France next year, and that is a real possibility now, then what we are witnessing is that the relentless pressing ahead with the globalist agenda, plus endless wars and never ending images on TV of the unfortunate killed and injured in these wars, actually results in greater swing to the far and extreme right in a compensatory way.
And there was I thinking that the natural (and historical) compensatory swing of populations would be to the left - whereas it looks like today's centre ground has been pushed far further to the right.
Social engineering anyone?