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War with Russia on the Verge of Breaking Out - Lauren Johnson - 12-04-2018 The games of international chicken have been going on for decades. But this is feeling worse than the Cuban missile crisis 1962. Quote:President Trump is so pissed off by the Stormy affair that he is likely to prefer a good old war to another humiliation. This suits his enemies and friends (though not his voters) to a tee. He has a choice of doing a difficult manly act that needs all his courage, but which one? Should he put the well-being of his country at stake and brave Russian missiles, or risk the displeasure of the elites and sack Mueller? He is tempted to do the easy thing. Thus he has been maneuvered into deep waters by a powerful coalition of Brits and Jews, the same people who delivered you the last two world wars. War with Russia on the Verge of Breaking Out - Lauren Johnson - 12-04-2018 A shooting war between the US and Russia appears imminent. War with Russia on the Verge of Breaking Out - Lauren Johnson - 12-04-2018 For the first time since he is in office, the US President Donald Trump has launched a clear threat in the direction of his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin saying "he will pay a price". This menace is related to the claim that the Syrian army had launched a chemical attack against the city of Duma, in eastern Ghouta, the last stronghold of Saudi Arabia's proxies close to Damascus. Trump is maybe thinking of bombing the Syrian Army positions spread throughout the Syrian geography, or perhaps even the Al-Muhajereen President's palace in Damascus- of course, without necessarily saying when and where his army will strike. ![]() On the other side, Russia is saying it won't stand still and will respond to any threat against its soldiers. Indeed, Russian officers are deployed in every single Syrian unit on the ground and in command and control headquarters in the Levant, coordinating and participating in attacks against jihadists since September 2015. Therefore, it is almost certain that any direct hit against the Syrian Army will cause Russian casualties. Such an act of war may trigger a Russian response by President Putin who will certainly not want to look weak in front of Russian politicians, the Russian military and in front of his own people. Russia has just returned to the international arena, not only as a country in possession of nuclear weapons, but also as a country trying to create a world balance and put an end to the US unilateral dominance that Washington enjoyed since the Perestroika in 1991. But how could the US benefit from military action in Syria? The mainstream media, the think tank generously financed and nourished by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Bahrein, Trump's team and the intelligence community- are all asking the US President to go to war in Syria to change the regime of President Bashar al-Assad and replace it with "freedom fighters" that the same Donald Trump is very familiar with and has specifically criticised. These rely on a video by activists close to the jihadists, claiming civilians were killed by a chemical attack on the city of Duma, which has gone viral on social media. The world chooses to believe mainstream media reporting the content of this video without proof or reference to any verified sources or neutral investigation by any reliable and international investigation committee. The lies of mainstream media during the war in Syria are too numerous to count, amplified by a journalism motivated by the "regime change" agenda, rather than by accurately reporting verifiable events. It was perfectly possible for the world to send an international investigation team, since the jihadists of "Jaish al-Islam" have been talking for a long time with the Russians, who are coordinating the exit of these to the north of Syria. Nonetheless, this option seems unavailable and remains unused. The US thirst for waging war and seeing blood flow may not be realisable if the jihadists' version of the "incident" were seen to be untrue. What is more plausible is the fact that the US is not after Assad's head to cut off, but after Putin's hands, to cut him off from his new dominance over the Levant.Moreover, what the US would like to see ending is Russia offering the possibility of rejecting US supremacy to Middle Eastern countries (and others in far continents to reject US supremacy). The other problem the US finds difficult to digest is the fact that both Assad and Putin have won the war with the help of Iran, and that the US failed to change the regime, and did not protect its Kurdish allies in Afrin. It was unable to stop its NATO partner, Turkey, from striking alliances with Russia and Iran. Moreover, the Jihadists (al-Qaeda and the "Islamic State" ISIS) card failed to achieve their objective to replacing a secular Syrian regime with a bloody radical Islamic regime. These Takferee were willing to eliminate the presence of all minorities (Christian, Shia, Allawite and others) and cover the Middle East with black banners. Transforming the Middle East into a sectarian arena and creating failed states like in Libya was not possible to reproduce in the Levant, thanks to the strategies pursued by Russia and Iran. So as a winner, it would be foolish for Assad to use chemical attacks and turn the entire world against him when he is about to celebrate his total victory over Ghouta. The city of Duma was not only surrounded but thousands of Jihadists had already left. Negotiations failed last week only because these Jihadists in Duma were buying time and were asked to hold on until the world intervened in their favour. They have presented many excuses to their Russian interlocutor asking that:
So Damascus will be totally cleared and no force on the ground as the US four star general Joseph Votel said can make a change on the ground in Syria or defeat /change the regime. Therefore, there will be no one who could take advantage of the consequences of a possible US attack on Syria in the coming days. Furthermore, a possible US war in the Middle East would cost hundreds of billions of dollars to Trump, he who is digging into the Saudi and Emirates' pockets to take every single penny, for any excuse. It is not a matter of cost or a question of human principle because Saudi Arabia, with US, France and UK support, has been killing tens of thousands of Yemenites for 3 years without blinking an eyelid, under the gaze of the world. It is absolutely not a matter of "chemical attack", because Russia warned the world about this staged excuse Jihadists were preparing, weeks before it was announced to the world in Duma. When it comes to human casualties, the US, responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths as a result of the embargo on Iraq (and indeed in many other US "adventures"), clearly has almost zero sensitivity, considering these casualties as collateral damage. So what can hundreds of tomahawks do against the empty Presidential Palace? Are these going to create a difference on the ground? Will bombing Syrian Army airports and military bases defeat Assad? No, it will only increase the number of those killed. The Syrian war casualties are close to 400,000 men, women and children. If the number becomes 401 or 405 or 410,000 to achieve……. There is no answer here but one: to slap the face of Putin and make him look weak, a head of state incapable of defending his friends and allies. ![]() So the aim is to create a balance in the existing equation to embarrass Russia. The US has no friends, only "common interests", whereas rising Russia' is striking alliances yet feels impotent to react faced with an American decision to strike Moscow's ally. Yes, all these possibilities exist. But these other possibilities are much more dangerous:
The two superpower countries are walking on the edge of the abyss. Will both the US and Russia fall into it or will Trump stand down, pull out of this game with his tail between his legs, accept his defeat and try to find another less dangerous arena than the Levant to face Russia? Could it be that Trump is gathering larger coalition, to make sure Russia can't respond against several nations, and therefore avoid a wider war? The coming days will carry the answer for the world. War with Russia on the Verge of Breaking Out - Lauren Johnson - 12-04-2018 POTUS Trump knows that the chemical attack in Syria is a hoax and false flag. The mainstream media knows that the chemical attack in Syria is a hoax and false flag. All of Congress knows that the chemical attack in Syria is a hoax and false flag. The entire world knows that Assad is not that stupid (he is a doctor and ophthalmologist) so as to gas women and children at the very moment he is winning the war in Syria…launching a chemical weapons strike for shits and giggle, moments after Trump announced a US pullout from Syria. ![]() Here are six very simple reasons why Trump will go to war in Syria, all of which have nothing to do with a trumped up "heinous" chemical attack from an "animal" dictator, or spreading democracy to the Middle East… 1. The Petrodollar (via comment on The Gateway Pundit): "The Chinese have recently issued the gold backed Yuan, which they, and others, have vowed to use to sell/purchase oil (amongst other things). 2. John McCain and the MIC:The last two nations that tried to introduce a currency to compete against the petrodollar were Libya and Iraq. The US needs that pipeline through Syria even more than ever now, especially if they are to compete for European gas/oil markets (presently controlled by Russia and their pipeline) and the Chinese Yuan. But i'm sure none of that has anything to do with it…" McCain is the Deep State president, and the number one war salesman for the military industrial complex. Where ever John McCain goes, war follows. Libya, Ukraine, Syria…McCain is the angel of death, and the MIC sends him around the world to arm neo-nazis in Ukraine, Al Qaeda terrorists, ISIS head choppers, and any other group that is willing to start fake "civil wars" or illegal "coups", all for the profit of the military industrial complex. ![]() [URL="https://twitter.com/Ian56789"]Ian56@Ian56789[/URL] [URL="https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/812336555763367936"] [/URL] #FlashbackFriday John McCain - spreading misery, poverty, violence and death wherever he goes http://ian56.blogspot.ch/2014/04/john-mccain-spreading-misery-poverty.html … Libya Syria Ukraine 9:38 AM - Dec 23, 2016
3. Saudi Arabia and MbS: Saudis crown prince just wrapped up a US PR tour and is now in France. Western leaders and mainstream media "liberals" are creaming in their pants over the Saudi leader, hailing him as a visionary, renaissance man. They fail to report on how MbS is slaughtering Yemeni citizens by the thousands, or how his Saudi dictatorship is one of the most repressive regimes in the world. Also forgotten is that Saudi Arabia supported Al Qaeda during the 9/11 terrorist attack, and are admittedly funding and training Al Qaeda and ISIS terrorists in Syria…terrorists that make their way to Europe, and eventually run over innocent people with cars and trucks. No matter…MbS (and his billions in cash) has the ear of Trump and Macron…now both the US and France are giddy about attacking Syria. ![]() 4. Israel: Israel has been itching to destroy Syria for decades. April 9th, 2018 two Israeli F-15 fighters launched guided missiles from Lebanese airspace. They struck Syria's T-4 airbase in Homs province, without warning or just cause. Five out of eight missiles found themselves neutralized. Three, however, found their mark the western part of the airbase, as The Duran reported. According to NBC news, Israel informed the United States prior to their strike on the Syrian base, but did not warn Russia. Russian military could have been present at the Syrian base during the attack, yet Israel did not warn Moscow. In its actions, Israel is trying to create the trip wire necessary to propel the world towards a hot war between the United States and Russia. Israel's goal…take over Syria, or at the very least install a government in Damascus that will report directly to Israel. 5. Cover up past and present American, Deep State false flags in Syria: Russia's control of Douma, and its ability to now conduct a full investigation is a big reason why the Deep State is so eager to bomb Syria as soon as possible. The Duran reports… As a result of the total surrender of the Jihadis previously in control of Douma on Sunday, it is the Russian military who this time are in control of the alleged crime scene. 6. Distract from Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels:This has put the Russians in a position where for the first time they are able both to invite the OPCW inspectors to attend the crime scene and to provide them with protection if they are there, whilst at the same time monitoring and supervising their work. If the chemical attack on Douma really is fictitious as the Russians insist it is then for the first time their control of the crime scene puts the Russians in a strong position to prove it. The point was made forcefully by Russia's UN ambassador Vassily Nebenzia at the UN Security Council session today, and it also received indirect backing from the UN Secretariat, who admitted that they could not confirm that a chemical weapons attack had happened, and who called upon all sides to show restraint until a proper investigation of the incident had taken place. Nebenzia followed this up by inviting OPCW inspectors to the scene as early as tomorrow Tuesday. By now it should surprise no-one that the fact that the Russians are in control of the crime scene and may on this occasion be able to prove conclusively that no chemical weapons attack happened in Douma, instead of deterring a US attack, is actually making it more likely. This is because the credibility of the various witnesses' to the Douma attack who are of course the same witnesses who were previously witnesses' to the 2013 East Ghouta and the 2017 Khan Sheikhoun attacks is now on the line, as is the credibility of those Western governments first and foremost the US government who believed or who pretended to believe them. I would add that not only is the credibility of the US government and of other Western governments on the line. So is the credibility of Western journalists who also believed or pretended to believe the witnesses'. Bill Clinton did it when he attacked Serbia, so as to distract from Monica's BJ in the oval office, and now Trump has the opportunity to bomb Syria so as to distract from Cohen, Mueller and porn star Stormy Daniels. What better distraction from sexual scandal then to start a hot war. ![]()
War with Russia on the Verge of Breaking Out - Lauren Johnson - 12-04-2018 Trump Asks Russia To Roll Over - It Won't Donald Trump may perceive these bad cop/good cop tweets as a serious way to negotiate with Russia. They ain't. Donald J. Trump - @realDonaldTrump - 10:57 AM UTC - 11 Apr 2018
Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and "smart!" You shouldn't be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it! Donald J. Trump - @realDonaldTrump - 11:37 AM UTC - 11 Apr 2018
Russia said it would destroy the platforms that launch the missiles, not only the missiles themselves. Did nobody explain the difference to Trump?Our relationship with Russia is worse now than it has ever been, and that includes the Cold War. There is no reason for this. Russia needs us to help with their economy, something that would be very easy to do, and we need all nations to work together. Stop the arms race? There is reason that U.S. relations with Russia are now worse than they have been for some time and Russia is not responsible for these. The GW Bush administration killed the Anti-Ballistic-Missile treaty which guaranteed Mutually Assured Destruction and thus strategic stability. The Obama administration launched a trillion dollar program to ramp up U.S. nuclear capabilities and ballistic missile defense with the aim of achieving superiority in a nuclear conflict. It is cynical to say that "Russia needs us to help with their economy". The U.S. under Trump is waging economic war on Russia by implementing more and more economic sanctions. The last round on Friday targeted Russian industrialists, many of whom are not even aligned with Putin. Aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, disliked in the Kremlin, lost 15% of his fortune. The Rubel plummeted against the dollar for two days in a row. U.S. Treasury stooges are now traveling in Europe to press European banks to shut down all services for Russian companies. ![]() bigger(Ironically both economic attack vectors will help Putin's program. Since 2014 Russia has been pressing its oligarchs to repatriate the billions the stashed in 'western' offshore banks. They will now do so out of fear of confiscations. The lower Rubel will increase local production and allow for cheaper exports.) The U.S. incited Georgia to attack Russia. It 'regime changed' the Ukraine. It attacks Syria, an old Russian ally. Then there are the hoaxes that get attributed to Russia without any evidence. Russia did not influence the U.S. election. It did not poison the Skripals. There was no 'chemical attack' in Douma. Russia has all kinds of reasons to be hostile to the U.S. but always stays calm and well mannered. It is stupid to mistake that for fear or inferiority. Taunting Russia like Trump now does will only increase its resistance to U.S. moves. Is Trump trying to make an offer to really help Russia's economy and to stop the arms race? If Russia would roll over and give up on Syria would Trump really lift the sanctions? Would he really stop the U.S. race for nuclear supremacy? Could he even promise to do such? And why would anyone believe Trump anyway? Unlike western European countries, Russia is no led by yapping poodles. The Russian government and its people will not roll over. They have historically never done so. President Putin will start his period of governance on May 7 with a war cabinet structured and manned for conflict. He expects a long fight. Russia will have to respond to any U.S. strike on Syria. It needs to do so to keep face and the faith of its allies. But it also needs to so in a way that avoids further escalation. Something that is very strong, in a different theater and not attributable? Or something that is openly targeting U.S. interests, but not U.S. soldiers, in the Middle East? It is Israel which is behind the war on Syria and which is pressing for further conflict. There are one million Russians in Israel, many of whom are not even Jewish. Could Russia ask them for help to change the strategic picture? Or should it increase support for those who directly fight the Zionist state? Posted by b at 09:23 AM | Comments (209) War with Russia on the Verge of Breaking Out - Lauren Johnson - 12-04-2018 Ultimately, the generals really do not want a massive war in the ME. It could ruin the scam. Even now the threat of war has dropped down. Good.
War with Russia on the Verge of Breaking Out - Lauren Johnson - 12-04-2018 On the other hand, there is this from Pat Lang's blog which portrays Russia as preparing for imminent war. Quote:Has the Russian Government moved their C&C and important figures to their safe havens in the Urals? There is a lot of military activity afoot in Russia since Trump opened his mouth and inserted his foot with his latest Syria threats and promises of missile strikes on Syria.Has President Putin invoked Articles 87 and 88 of the Russian Constitution that deals with declaration of a national emergency in the event of direct threats of aggression to the Russian Federation? Given the situation this is most probably so. War with Russia on the Verge of Breaking Out - Lauren Johnson - 13-04-2018 [FONT=&]I have the following comment today from a retired Russian officer. [/FONT] [FONT=&]********[/FONT] "This is where it gets very interesting and dangerous. Russia has drawn its own redline. Putin and his Generals know for a fact that there was no chemical weapon of any kind used in Syria. They recently warned the world that this kind of staged event was in the offing. They know what they have and have not done on the ground and know the lies spilling from Washington, London and Paris are vicious calumny. They are not a punching bag and are not going to sit back and do nothing. A lot will depend on the "structure" and the "weight" of a possible salvo and how respective militaries will communicate with each-other. It was indicated strongly by Pentagon that they are trying to do their utmost in avoiding hitting of Russian regulars in Syria. I am sure that if within the range of namely Russia's (not Syria's) AD assets any TLAM will be shot down--this is so to speak "not that big of a deal" scenario. Washington draft-dodgers, however, push for attack on specifically Russian assets, including Damascus and recently including Douma where alleged attack took place. The reason being bombing the place of staging of this false flag into oblivion and then saying that no we can not prove that attack didn't happen. Obviously, it is not the case anymore, since Douma in under control of SAA and Russian MPs. Most people in Pentagon and, obviously, some in the so called IC understand consequences of attacking Russians directly--they know the score, they have calculated probabilities for a number of contingencies and none of them, obviously, looks good for CENTCOM assets in the area. But for the BORG there is no way back--and the reasons for that are way larger than Syria. We are talking about global realignment and major shift in power balance. This is not an easy thing to take to self-proclaimed "exceptional" people in Washington plus add here their utter lack of grasp of scales and proportions involved in a purely military aspect--it is difficult to those who never spent a day in uniform and whose military "expertise" is limited to few seminars on strategy and weapons and on, not always first class, work by Congressional Research Service. Thus, on American side we have today not rational players." Pen Name - Smoothiex12 ------------- In my opinion Smoothiex12 speaks truth. The Russians have decided that they will fight us if there is more than a symbolic punitive strike in Syria, a strike in retaliation for an event that even the US MSM now speaks of as "suspected," "alleged" and "reported." The US went to war against Spain over a suspected attack on the armored cruiser USS Maine. The ship was at anchor in Havana harbor. It exploded and sank and although the US Navy could not at the time determine the cause, the Hearst newspaper chain insisted that the Spanish government had destroyed the ship. The same newspapers had been propagandizing the American people for months with wild tales of the "monstrous" deeds of the Spaniards toward the Cuban revolutionaries who were trying to end Spanish rule of the island. This sensationalist grab for circulation triggered war with Spain. Many years later the US Navy determined that a smoldering fire in a coal bunker heated a metal wall and that this had detonated the magazine of the ship on the other side of that bulkhead. Today we have 24/7 TV news vying for ratings. Nothing else matters for them. They neither understand Syria, nor do they understand what the outcome would be of a US-Russian war that escalates from a regional response to use of nuclear weapons against the two homelands. Mike Pompeo smugly told the US Senate yesterday that American air strikes had killed "a couple hundred" Russians recently. He obviously likes that idea. At the same time the Russian government has sent its key political, societal, and scientific cadres to deep underground shelters built during the Brezhnev era and Russian state media have told the citizenry to prepare itself for World War III. As PT stated, it is unlikely that DJT's ego could accept the sinking of a US Navy ship or a demonstration of the ineffectiveness of some of our missiles. The temptation for him to raise the stakes in escalation would be overwhelming. Remember, the neocons would be whispering in his ear that if we push the Russians just a little more they will submit to "The Greatest President." If an all out nuclear exchange occurred between the US and Russia both countries would be wrecked. Do we really want to risk that? pl Pat Lang War with Russia on the Verge of Breaking Out - Cliff Varnell - 14-04-2018 Lauren Johnson Wrote:a symbolic punitive strike in Syria And that's what they got. Trump and Bolton wanted a more intense "ruinous" response but the generals over-ruled or out-maneuvered them. As much as Trump wants to go to war, the military doesn't trust him and won't follow his impulsive urges. The myth is that Trump is a man of peace pushed by war-hawks -- the truth is he's blood-thirsty, ignorant, arrogant and so impulsive the National Security State tries to keep him under thumb. War with Russia on the Verge of Breaking Out - James Lateer - 14-04-2018 Another defense of the National Security State. IMHO the National Security State is good for absolutely nothing. Nothing. any restraint necessary on Trump should be the job of the Congress. If the Congress doesn't do anything, then nothing needs to be done, in my opinion. But if that doesn't work, then there should be street protests like in the 1960's. The National Security State is 100% bad. They brought us George Bush, 9-11 and the Iraq War (not to mention Vietnam). If it were possible, we should revert to the perfectly good form of the US Government that existed before 1946-1947 and the National Security State. It's scary how many people (maybe a majority) have left the Democrat and Republican Parties and have joined the National Security State Party. It's easy for me (at this point) to see how the Gestapo, the SS, the Nazi General Staff all started up. James Lateer |