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The Crimes of Quillette - Jim DiEugenio - 03-12-2018 This just went up at Kennedys and King. I put a lot of new and interesting info into this one because its a fascinating subject concerning both the alt/right, and Fred Litwin. One would think the alt/right would be all over the JFK case. But as far as Claire Lehmann who allegedly edits Quillette that is not the case. Which really makes me wonder about the whole phenomena. Anyway there is some new info in here also. Every opportunity I get to go after Fred,I will. https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-crimes-of-quillette?fbclid=IwAR0-fqR7N93dZVDoDZKcSCCNS5vIWUgJ-NN6x1DzzxUm1ubJ1CEJaamvxDg The Crimes of Quillette - Tom Scully - 05-12-2018 Hey Jim, I just explained, in the Clay Shaw thread, why I am replying to you in this thread. I imagine, since it is the earliest from him I can find, Lemann uses his position as editor of The Crimson, to: Tom Scully Wrote:,,,,,[B][B] [B]Less than three years later, Lemann is occupying a desk next to Tom Bethel's at the Washington Montthly. Quote:[URL="http://www.aei.org/publication/new-orleans-mon-amour/"]New Orleans, Mon Amour - AEIAmerican Enterprise Institute, LOL, of all places? Jim, my ardent belief, based on the facts as I have come to know them, is that Garrison "mugged" Ms. Mellen, you, and Zachary Sklar. [/B][/B][/B]All of you have too much invested to be all that flexible. I am trying to ride the currents where ever the facts flow to. We can agree to disagree but you have a megaphone, to your credit, while I am akin to the (Trumpian) 400 lbs. guy in his pajamas on a bed in his mother's basement. IOW, you have a greater obligation to figure out and distribute unambiguous, facts supported analysis than I ever will. We could be partners in attempting to decipher the Baldwin Lemann Garrison conundrum, especially because they are all family and Garrison was not known to have pointed that out. David Baldwin did, andthe first known person he communicated it to was his friend and former employer Clay Shaw, in immediate reaction to Shaw's arrest. In the Clay Shaw post I just drew your attention to on that Shaw thread on this forum, I proved that the couple who were later Edwin Walker landlords were toasting Baldwin/Shaw pall and later CIA guy, Jesse Core and his fiancee, Lucy Ruggles in that same Turtle Creek house. Lucy Ruggles was held in negative light by CIA because she, with friends later with CIA who, along with Core, Baldwin, and Thornley mentor, were all former long time visitors or residents of India, all via State Dept., CIA, scholarly, or journalistic assignments. Thornley testified that this mentor BOLTON, formerly with the AP in India, visited Core and invited Thornley to accompany him. The movement Lucy and her two friends were described in a CIA report as participants was led by....Mac Wallace. Ms. Ruggles father was long time DMN editorial editor credited with coining the ANTI ORGANIZED LABOR hypocrisy, RIGHT TO WORK. Tom Scully Wrote: It surely does not help matters that Harold practically developed a man crush on Jesse Core, intially attracted because he hoped Core could ID the person passing out leaflets with Oswald near the Trade Mart. Quote: [PDF][URL="http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/T%20Disk/Thornley%20Kerry%20Wendell%20--%20Lifton%20David/Item%2013.pdf"]Li a-,-)/wo - The Harold Weisberg Archive jfk.hood.edu/Collection/.../Thornley%20Kerry%20Wendell%20.../Item%2013.pdf [/URL] Dave Lifton and Kerry the Great (ask him) Thornley. In all of this biased ... lated to the charge of perjury against Thornley, there is .... that Mentor Bolton also rec. The Crimes of Quillette - Mark A. O'Blazney - 07-12-2018 Tom Scully Wrote:Hey Jim, The sound of one cricket chirping again, Tom? Always a pleasure to read anything about Kerista !!! Thanks for posting. Enjoy the Festivuses!! The Crimes of Quillette - Jim DiEugenio - 09-12-2018 Tom, I like you personally and I think you usually do good work and I defended you when people were attacking your approach at EF. But I am at a loss to explain how you fell for Carpenter. This is a guy who writes for Max Holland. I stopped reading his book when I saw how he covered up the military record of Thrasher who Shaw worked for. https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/776 And that is not all. Carpenter ignores the cover up within the CIA about Shaw's contract agent status. That cover up was ongoing into the nineties. In fact, the ARRB discovered that it was so deep that the CIA destroyed Shaw's 201 file. (ARRB memo from Legaspi to Gunn, 11/14/96) This was all begun by design in the summer of 1964, and I have this through a letter that Gordon Novel wrote after the Garrison investigation, namely that the CIA Office of Security ordered a cover up about Shaw's true Agency status a that time. Why? And why did it never end? Why did Shaw lie about knowing Ferrie, Oswald, or being in Clinton/Jackson, and using the Bertrand alias? To quote the late attorney Allard Lowenstein, "In my experience, people with noting to hide don't hide things." In my view, there are not a lot of people who you can make a better case against today for complicity in the JFK case than you can with Clay Shaw. The other point you once brought up, which I assume you also got from Carpenter, since I never heard you express it before, is just as ersatz. That somehow Garrison's inquiry did not cost him anything. Again, please. In 1966, Jim Garrison was ascending very fast to becoming one of the most popular and powerful politicians in the state. He had made headlines--some national-- with his crusade against B girl drinking in New Orleans. He had gotten Governor John McKeithen elected, even though he was a second tier candidate. He confided to a pal at this time that the only other job he really aspired to besides being DA was senator. It was his JFK inquiry that cost him both of those jobs. When someone blows his career ambitions over a case, then how can anyone say that he did not lose anything? But it was worse than that. When Connick put together a huge campaign war chest to defeat Garrison in 1973, Garrison had just been through two criminal trials on corruption charges. I can tell you right now that neither of those cases would have ever been brought if not for Garrison's investigation of JFK. So in addition to losing two careers, he almost went to jail. But there is actually more. Once Connick defeated him, and because the power elite in New Orleans had now disdained him, Garrison did not get any job offers, as he had been able to do before the JFK case. People who talked to him at this time said he was renting a small office from a larger law firm. They said he was personally kind of bitter about the whole thing. Does Carpenter say this was all an act? Including the two trials? But there is still more. See, Connick, who worked for the Justice Department to defend Shaw, ended up being an absolutely terrible DA. One of the worst in the nation. He was so bad that he was actually singled out from the Supreme Court twice for malpractice. When i asked John Volz, who worked for both men, to compare the two he said there was none. Connick was a disaster as DA. So it was not just a cost to JG but also the city of New Orleans and also the people who Connick used every unethical track with in order to get a conviction. Look it all up if you don't believe me. So just what in Hades is Carpenter talking about? As I said, a friend of mine told me that he knew what Carpenter's agenda was from meeting him just once. We don't need any of that anymore in this case. That kind of cover up crap has wielded a lot of damage. The Crimes of Quillette - Mark A. O'Blazney - 11-12-2018 Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Tom, I like you personally and I think you usually do good work and I defended you when people were attacking your approach at EF. Falling for Carpenter? Or falling for you, Jim....... the truth will out+ .......... but not in our lifetime. sigh. The Crimes of Quillette - Jim DiEugenio - 11-12-2018 Mark: If you read my review of Carpenter's article you will see how I show that Carpenter did not use the declassified documents in his book. Therefore, he was concealing important information from his readers about his main subject. As I also mention, he was also not candid about General Thrasher's career and Shaw's service with him. Then there is the matter of the destruction of Shaw's 201 file which the ARRB discovered in the nineties, along with the hidden contract agent status the man had. These are all provable and important facts which Carpenter does not alert his readers to. The Crimes of Quillette - Tom Scully - 12-12-2018 Having a laptop power issue...will post a serious addition to this reply below the quote box late tomorrow. In.the meantime thought provoking (I hope...) prank. Quote:...written by a Carpenter protege whose name, I discovered, on Jan. 29, 2016, led by details in David Baldwin wedding announcement the. 1968 obit of his mother's brother, in that man's findagrave.com page, (Harold Ziegler) which also described his surviving daughter and her husband, Jim Garrison. I spent the next few data searching to determine if this was an original discovery.. A few days later I discovered Carpenter included a reference to this in his book. I discovered the review of the book by David Blackburst on Holland's website. I was engaging Blackburst about omitting.from his Carpenter book review, that David Baldwin advised Clay Shaw he was related to Garrison's wife, since it seems obvious no one informed Sklar or Mellen and Shaw seems to have kept that to himself. Several days later, I learned Mr. Blackburst had passed. I merely backed down Carpenter's driveway and soon drove off. Blackburst found Carpenter worth writing about. I have no way of knowing and no way to confirm David Baldwin was Liz Ziegler Garrison's godfathet, but I can verify independently he and his brother Edward were her first cousins and that Baldwin's Mother in law, Mrs Monte Lemann, was the only paternal grandmother Nicholas Lemann had. His grandfather Monte died in 1959. This step grandmother had same name as Baldwin's wife, Mildred Lyons. Mildred Lyons Lemann worked for the Sterns from the 1930 opening of the Day School and spent at least one summer at the Stern's upstate NY estate. The Crimes of Quillette - Tom Scully - 17-12-2018 Jim DiEugenio Wrote:But I am at a loss to explain how you fell for Carpenter. This is a guy who writes for Max Holland. I stopped reading his book when I saw how he covered up the military record of Thrasher who Shaw worked for. I no longer see continuity in the Garrison Investigation debate.For example, Jim, what would you say to Nicholas B Lemann in a debate, considering his family ties? If Garrison had been transparent with Joan Mellen or his autobigraphy editor Zachary Sklar, either would have been empowered to call out Nicholas B Lemann for what he is....a useful idiot or an agenda driven professional disiformationalist with no relationship to ethical journalism. Lemann obviously had no fear of Garrison disclosure.: Quote:http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1974/2/6/the-rise-and-fall-of-big/ Quote:Tom S. Posted:...I got "there" after finding the wedding announcement in the image below and, wanting to learn more about the best man, the younger Raworth, doing a google search combining the terms Raworth, Ziegler, and findagrave, and finding this.: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=69124634 Expanding on my last post, first with author Joan Mellen's take on the Lemann and Baldwin influence on the Garrison Investigation. I disagree that it is settled that David Baldwin was the source William R Martin described having lunch with, resulting in Martin's memeo of 24 May, 1967, to NODA Jim Garrison.: Quote:http://files.usgwarchives.net/la/orleans/obits/1/l-11.txt Stephen B Lemann's brother is Thomas Lemann, father of Nicholas B. Lemann. The stepmother of Stephen and Thomas Lemann was Mildred Crumb Lyons Lemann. Her daughter, also named Mildred Lyons, was stepsister of Stephen and Thomas Lemann after her mother married their father Monte Lemann in 1947. In 1945, Mildred Lyons married David Baldwin. (See first article image inthis post...) Quote:https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Unredacted_-_Episode_1_-_Transcript.html Considering until 2015 no one ever publicly revealed that David Baldwin was a first cousin of Garrison's wife, Liz Ziegler, or that Anti-Garrison attack dog Nicholas Lemann's step-aunt Mildred Lyons Baldwin was the wife of David Baldwin, readers should think twice about Stephen Roy's (aka Blackburst's) attempt to trivialize relationships deliberately concealed by both Garrison and Shaw, and by lack of disclosure of Nicholas B Lemann. Quote:http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2014/07/in_the_death_of_doctor_mary_sh.html Quote:https://charlierose.com/videos/28642 Garrison's name and the name Mrs Harry Raworth, the mother of David and Edward Baldwin, appear in the 1968 obit of Harold Ziegler, father-in-law of Jim Garrison.: The Crimes of Quillette - Mark A. O'Blazney - 30-12-2018 Tom Scully Wrote:Jim DiEugenio Wrote:But I am at a loss to explain how you fell for Carpenter. This is a guy who writes for Max Holland. I stopped reading his book when I saw how he covered up the military record of Thrasher who Shaw worked for. "They" still don't get it, do they, Tom? What hath Oliver wrought? And why is his progeny over on the RT side? 2019 shall be the year of the cyberwars. But you didn't hear it from me, see? The Crimes of Quillette - Tom Scully - 26-02-2019 Jim, your ass kissing of the past few days in support of the handpicked successor of the guy who made special exceptions of both of us....circumventing the rather democratic disciplinary deliberation process he himself instituted and once took pride in....in your case resulting in your banning with no prewarning steps formerly accorded to even the likes of Morrow and Rago, along with intentional deletion of at least 4500 of your posts is a sight to observe. You had your reasons for going back there after such abuse, related I assume to your assessment of your own best interests. However, your defense of the thin skinned, revised price of participation there is beyond the pale. Here is a link to the image of the original, summary execution warrant....just to refresh your memory! http://jfkdebate.com/images/DiEugenioWeHardlyKnewYe.jpg I have the email in which Gordon feigned misunderstanding when I explained to him he was about to step on an agreement I perceived I had made with Andy Walker. I learned the hard way as to the strength of commitments made by Simkin and Walker. I should not be surprised, given your drive by, hit & run number, at me and my verifiable facts, in this thread. There was a time when I would have expected you to be the last person I would have to communicate, with such mixed feelings, a lament such as this! |