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The World's Most Important Political Prisoner - Tom Scully - 17-09-2019 Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Tom, thank you for your honest effort. But let as make a step back and define the rules of conversation for clarity, and also, who we both are, in the broadest terms. I mean I do not know who you are and I would be surprised, if you know who I am. I am fairly well known, I guess.: Quote:http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/20259-the-future-of-the-jfk-forum/page/9/ Carsten, I checked before adding the last quote box in my last post, to see if you had replied. I now know you did not see my addition before you posted. I assume you are not a U.S. resident but I do not know if it matters. I believe Assange is being subjected to a US extradition attempt, but not for the justifications presented by Trump admin. officials. I believe Assange committed no as of yet known crimes until his 2016 involvement with Russian hackers and the Trump presidential campaign. After the 2016 election, it seems former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort and other Trump associates worked to reward Assange by getting him out of London. Manafort seems to have felt too exposed by the appointment of Special Counsel Robert Mueller. One of Mueller's assigned tasks was to investigate if the Trump campaign conspired with members of Putin's government to achieve the office Trump now holds. As the quote box I just added to my last post supports, Assange was involved with another US leaker, in 2017, and was attempting to coerce Trump and his admin. to assist him in escaping the UK. By that time. Assange correctly perceived the Trump admin. considered him "too hot" to openly support or assist. Assange was reduced to making a threat to reveal further CIA secrets provided to him by leaker Schulte. Quote:[URL="https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/06/11/on-joshua-schulte-and-julian-assanges-10-year-old-charges/"] James Lateer believes the Mueller investigation was a "deep state" pushback against a Trump presidency. I believe Mueller conducted a reticent white wash, a tepid investigation that actually served to protect Trump. One of the few things Mueller did accomplish was to create an atmosphere that has changed the relations between the Trump admin, and Assange from allies to a need to silence or at least permanently discredit Assange. The William Barr Justice Department is contradicting itself....it is pleading the opposite in UK extradition proceedings of what Barr claimed was the reason Mueller did not charge Assange.: Quote:https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/05/24/the-logic-of-assanges-edva-indictment-is-inconsistent-with-muellers-apparent-logic-on-assanges-declination/ The World's Most Important Political Prisoner - Carsten Wiethoff - 17-09-2019 Tom, you are still going a bit too fast for my taste, but I am sure we can soon start the real conversation. Before I give you and everybody my understanding of Assange and Manafort, I want to clarify some formalities. 1. Everybody, including the NSA is allowed to listen to and permanently record this conversation. 2. Everybody who broadly conforms to the Forum rules may join or leave the conversation at any time or start another conversation 3. I do my best not to leave the conversation permanently without notice, since I am genuinely interested in it 4. Timing is not very important on this issue, whether I take a minute, or an hour, or a day to respond, may depend on the other things I do in my life. 5. For listeners not speaking English I could provide a German simultanous translation, since I am a German native speaker. But I do not think that is a good idea, because it takes away from the conversation. 6. You and I are allowed to correct our texts for Spelling or Grammar, but not change the meaning retroactively. 7. If Spelling or Grammar issues remain, that is not important, as long as we get the meaning. 8. If we do not get the meaning of something that is said, we should ask for clarification. Do You agree with that, or do you find it overly complicated? The World's Most Important Political Prisoner - Tom Scully - 17-09-2019 Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Tom, you are still going a bit too fast for my taste, but I am sure we can soon start the real conversation. Yes. I agree completely. I consider all of your points reasonable. I admit I do sometimes stop participating in forum threads because of frustration with other participant(s) but I will inform you if I decide to stop replying. You are saying I am presenting too many details or presenting them too rapidly. I'll end this with the last quote box in my last post on the prior page. Quote:https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/08/27/revisiting-the-first-time-president-trump-blabbed-out-classified-information-for-political-gain/ The World's Most Important Political Prisoner - Carsten Wiethoff - 17-09-2019 Tom Scully Wrote:Very good. one or two more things, quickly.Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Tom, you are still going a bit too fast for my taste, but I am sure we can soon start the real conversation. This may seem to the listeners and to you, Tom Scully, like verbal Jiu-Jitsu. Someting like the google terms of services. I refrain from quoting them here, and since they often change retroactively, it would also be of no use. And I openly admit that I am very often frustrated from conversations, even with my best friends, because words are used that have no clearly defined meaning or bullying tactics are applied or blatant propaganda is sold as an honest opinion,or statement of fact. No medium, not even the alternatives, are free from that. Even good people, which are in the majority everywhere, even in media and government, sometimes use these unfair practices. Definitely some of the worst words, that serious speakers should only use as bad examples, are "conspiracy theorist", "counterfactual", "conspiracy", "conspiracy theory", "extreme left", "extreme right", "Nazi", "Antisemite", "radical" in the political sense and a couple hundreds more. These words are used in all or nearly all contemporary media, but I dare anyone, to bring up a sensible and agreeable definition for them. Instead they are all used as weapons. By good and bad people alike. Without even recognizing it. Tom Scully, good man, would you agree to that state of affairs, or do you have a different world view? The World's Most Important Political Prisoner - Carsten Wiethoff - 17-09-2019 Tom, did you just leave the conversation or is there an emergency, or other events? The World's Most Important Political Prisoner - Carsten Wiethoff - 17-09-2019 Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Tom, did you just leave the conversation or is there an emergency, or other events? I did that on purpose. The World's Most Important Political Prisoner - Carsten Wiethoff - 17-09-2019 Ah, I forgot to mention, of all the Carsten Wiethoff people running around on earth, which are to the best of my knowledge, two (2), I am Carsten Wiethoff the Billionaire. The World's Most Important Political Prisoner - Carsten Wiethoff - 17-09-2019 Hey, Tom, I may have an IQ of about 130, but I am no longer the fastest. I also work normally, when I am not sick, fulltime in an extremely demanding Software Project involving Airplanes, Robots, Realtime Software, EtherCAT busses and a million more things. I am interested in learning who actually killed John F. Kennedy, but for a long time I know that Lee Harvey Oswald did not fire a shot that day. To parse a footnote like yours: Quote:Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank. would under good conditions take me 2-3 days, I mean to fully grasp, who all the people mentioned there are, even if I may have heard half of the names before. How long, Tom, do you think, the average reader needs to parse that footnote. Does the average reader exist at all? I mean, does anybody even read the footnotes? Trying to be helpful Carsten Late addition: I may have misquoted your footnote. It does not have anything to do with John F. Kennedy. Sorry! The World's Most Important Political Prisoner - Carsten Wiethoff - 17-09-2019 Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Hey, Tom, I may have an IQ of about 130, but I am no longer the fastest. I also work normally, when I am not sick, fulltime in an extremely demanding Software Project involving Airplanes, Robots, Realtime Software, EtherCAT busses and a million more things. I am interested in learning who actually killed John F. Kennedy, but for a long time I know that Lee Harvey Oswald did not fire a shot that day. I did that on purpose. The World's Most Important Political Prisoner - Carsten Wiethoff - 17-09-2019 To Tom: I know that you are most likely sleeping right now. To the audience: Some participation in the discussion would be nice now. |