Doug Fisher Wrote:I meant the Freemasonic lodges. When I said "occult programming" I just meant trauma-based programming that was done in occult circles vs government circles. Sorry for the confusion.

I have not studied the occult very closely so I'm just going by what I can observe from victims of such abuse and those who treat them. Thanks for clarifying that bit about the Kabbala.

I say they're operating from the same handbook because you would think that different methods, terminology, etc would be used if they weren't. It seems too uniform to me. I'm sure you've read "The Greenbaum Speech" that Hammond gave. I've found that to be accurate and to hold true across different groups and different cults.

Doug Fisher Wrote:http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1987-02-15/news/0110090250_1_mothers-children-finders

Quote:The men, Finders members Michael Holwell, 23, and Douglas Ammerman, 27, are in the Leon County Jail, charged with misdemeanor child abuse stemming from the unkempt, bug-bitten condition in which the children were found.
''Our main concern is to make clear to the authorities that we are very good parents and that the home environment is not just adequate but superbly happy, healthy, fun and educational,'' said Kristin Knauth, 26, a free-lance writer and editor and mother of Ben, 4, one of the children in custody.

http://infidels.org/kiosk/article/a-freethinkers-haven-grows-inculpeper-257.html

Quote:A Freethinkers' Haven Grows in--Culpeper?
Kristin K. Nauth
In one of the most conservative towns in Virginia, a female skeptic is launching a "live-in/live-out think tank" for secularists of all stripes. Only those with a good sense of humor need apply, though.
Seventy miles south of Washington, DC, is the town of Culpeper, Virginia, a pretty little burg of 10,000 with views of the Blue Ridge Mountains. Culpeper is the sort of place where your social circle is defined by which of the 30-odd Christian churches you belong to, the tallest edifice in town is the Southern Baptist steeple, and the Wal-Mart parking lot is full at 11pm on a Saturday night. George Washington surveyed the town's limits in 1749--and, according to a local joke, that's the last interesting thing that happened here.
The solid, red-brick corner house at 409 Macoy Avenue seems transplanted from another planet. On a block of crewcut lawns and military-corner boxwoods, this yard is veiled by a scrim of soaring, lacy bamboo. Cross the front porch and the first thing you spot is a quote by Emma Goldman on the front door: "Atheism is the eternal yea to life, purpose, and beauty." Well, that's a breath of fresh air; this town was starting to make you feel a little paranoid. Then you notice there's no doorbell, only a large Chinese gong, which makes a sonorous clang when you tentatively tap it with the drumstick hanging nearby.
And the smiling blonde woman who opens the front door looks far less like the natives you've met than like a young Swedish university professor. Which, it turns out, she is. Introducing herself as Merrie Shaker Pettie, female skeptic, she explains in softly accented but fluent English that she arrived two years ago from Stockholm, where she worked as a lecturer in philosophy. Her father was American, and she moved here when a relative bequeathed her this house.

This Finder, Knauth or Nauth, is obviously not being very honest by failing to disclose her relationship to The Finders. But who is Merrie Shaker Pettie? Marion's wife? Daughter? This poster claims they emailed Nauth and she said the following...

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=8555

Quote:in a sort of poem that sometimes she goes by Kristin Knauth, sometimes by Kristin K. Nauth and sometimes by Merrie Shaker Pettie. Yep, she's not his daughter or wife, she's a fictional creation of or alternate personality of (K)Nauth. Now, I have no way to prove this, even if I did have the emails, because I could have made it up...but maybe you can track her down and write her yourself.

Now even if that poster is telling the truth, it doesn't mean much considering The Finders admit that they like to play games and confuse people.

Doug Fisher Wrote:Looks like this is a piece she wrote back in 1999

https://web.archive.org/web/20120227041327/http://www.topsecretnet.com/knowmag.htm

Quote:In From The Cold


In a new era of openness, the U.S. intelligence community learns to balance knowledge sharing and knowledge security


-By Kristin K. Nauth

Quote:Kristin K. Nauth, a Washington, D.C.-based specialist in intelligence/counterintelligence reporting and future studies, has contributed articles to numerous business, technology and policy publications.

Doug Fisher Wrote:Found a lot of new info here...still sifting through it...

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ZetaAstro/conversations/topics/2219

Doug Fisher Wrote:Found a lot of new info here...still sifting through it...

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ZetaAstro/conversations/topics/2219

David Guyatt Wrote:The Greenbaum Speech can be found HERE.

Charles Keeble Wrote:

David Guyatt Wrote:The Greenbaum Speech can be found HERE.

I've read this Speech before because I have it on a hard drive. What are all the references to bloodline / non-bloodline about?

Doug Fisher Wrote:

Charles Keeble Wrote:

David Guyatt Wrote:The Greenbaum Speech can be found HERE.

I've read this Speech before because I have it on a hard drive. What are all the references to bloodline / non-bloodline about?

I think he's just distinguishing between people who are generational satanists (parents were satanists) and people who are "outsiders." Non-bloodline people would be people who were persuaded to join the cult, homeless people or children they abducted, etc. You'd think that they wouldn't abuse their own, but that's not the case. They torture and rape people who are blood relatives and have been in the cult for generations.

I also think that they believe the blood itself is valuable for some of their rituals, because they'll use some of their "bloodline" generational satanists to act as breeders. Basically they're forced to give birth every year, and the newborn is sacrificed in a ritual.