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Larouche Role in Obama Health Care plan - Linda Minor - 27-08-2009 Lyndon Larouche seems to be the man behind the signs at numerous protests calling Obama's health care plan a Hitlerian Nazi scheme based on the medical "committee" and the right appointed to it by the government to decide who should die: Quote:August 25, 2009 (LPAC)-- Lyndon LaRouche found many points to agree with in a vitriolic criticism of Obama by Financial Times columnist Clive Crook Monday morning. Crook writes that Obama's presidency is in trouble, as a result of "his own political bungling." LaRouche agreed. He keeps talking about "they". Does he mean people at Harvard? Any ideas? Larouche Role in Obama Health Care plan - Linda Minor - 27-08-2009 http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/visitors-from-planet-larouche/ Quote:August 25, 2009, 4:41 pm http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/08/town_hall_talk_frank_grills_op.html?hpid=sec-politics Quote:Frank Blasts Nazi Comparisons From LaRouche Backers What's really funny here is that Fox News and Rush Limbaugh are taking Barney's side! What does that tell us? See: google search: Barney Frank Speaks Truth to Crazy FOXNews - Greg Gutfeld - Aug 20, 2009 This was a lay-up for Frank, for the chick was a LaRouche follower, a member of a group of far-left conspiracy chuckleheads who, like cockroaches,... Barney Frank Flips on Right to Yell RushLimbaugh.com (subscription) - Aug 25, 2009 FRANK AUGUST 24, 2009: Frankly, again you have the Lyndon LaRouche crowd -- and I've been surprised at some of my conservative friends who are defending the ... Dennis Miller on Barney Frank's Feisty Town Hall FOXNews - Aug 20, 2009 A couple of plants in there, a couple of LaRouche people giving him a hard time and stuff like that. What do you say? DENNIS MILLER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: ... The Friday Rush: Limbaugh, LaRouche, and Laffer Media Matters for America - Aug 21, 2009 Barney Frank (D-MA) and a town hall questioner who compared the president and his policies to Hitler and Nazism, during which Frank said to the woman: "On ... Rush says Obama "wants to be the black FDR" Media Matters for America - Greg Lewis - Aug 25, 2009 Then Rush discussed Barney Frank's "flip flop" on the "right to yell." Rush played an audio clip of Frank on July 28. Frank was discussing Henry Louis ... Larouche Role in Obama Health Care plan - Jan Klimkowski - 27-08-2009 Prime examples of Lyndon LaRouche talking out of an orifice not usually reserved for speech. I am concerned that Obama's team appears to include population control fanatics and academics whose ideas are logically indistinguishable from eugenics. See here, for example: http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1790 However, the implication of LaRouche's statements - which is that the British NHS with free treatment for all is an inherently fascist system - is just plain bonkers. LaRouche should go and lie down in a dark room with a cold compress. And perhaps get his private doctor to prescribe him some Michael Jackson style anaesthetics. There's the reality of private medicine plain for all to see.... Larouche Role in Obama Health Care plan - Linda Minor - 28-08-2009 I think LaRouche group's biggest fault is that use the term "British" in shorthand fashion to mean the various aristocrats with a fascist mentality. That doesn't mean necessarily that they always win inside the British government, which seems to be much more centered in local elections. I think the parliamentary system has helped to reduce the control the British banker mentality has had over the NHS. If you watch Question Time, the number-one topic always seems to be maintaining good health care, and it does not seem to be under the control of corporate pharmaceutical industry as in America. It's about local services and bedside manner more than about bigger and better machines and drugs. I think what LaRouchies probably mean when they say "British" is the London-based bankers who invest British wealth (as in the Queen and her Court whose only role in life is fund-raising for "charity") in foreign corporations. In the old days that would mean N.M. Rothschild and Barings, but I can't say who it means today. Larouche Role in Obama Health Care plan - Gary McGowan - 15-11-2009 I browsed this thread a few hours ago and then saw the fresh item below at larouchepac(dot) com. It pasted with no paragraph breaks, so I made my own. I also inserted the quotation marks at the end. Rachel Brown To Take On Bailout Barney Frank [url=http://www.larouchepac.com/printmail/12380][/url]November 14, 2009 Boston, MA (LPAC) -- LaRouche Youth Movement activist Rachel Brown announced today that she is a candidate for the Democratic nomination to U.S. Congress in the 4th District in Massachusetts, for the seat presently occupied by Bailout Barney Frank. Brown told a national internet audience on The LaRouche Show today that Frank is one of the key Congressional figures promoting fascist policies, which are destroying our nation's physical economy, and which threaten the lives of millions of Americans. She singled out his role in supporting the bailout of bankrupt banks and financial institutions -- in particular, his attack on Lyndon LaRouche's Home Owner and Bank Protection Act -- and his rabid support of the Obama health care bill, which is modeled on Hitler's Nazi T-4 genocide policy, as evidence that he is unfit to remain in the U.S. Congress. Bailout Barney Frank, she said, has no problem supporting a bailout of financial institutions, run by swindlers and thieves, at the expense of jobs and industries in the U.S. While millions are losing their jobs and their homes, he repeatedly has sided with those, such as former Goldman Sachs CEO and Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke, and current Treasury Secretary Geithner, who have provided more than $23.7 trillion in bailouts to bankrupt institutions, while ignoring the needs of our citizens. While a mass strike of these citizens has emerged, of people who feel betrayed by their government, who are demanding that the government act in their interests, Bailout Barney worked to sabotage moves to establish a Pecora Commission to investigate financial fraud, and is currently involved in efforts to prevent a return to the Glass Steagall regulatory standards in banking. And when I asked him at a town meeting, she added, how he can defend President Obama's so-called health care policy, which will kill the sick and elderly, through provisions taken from Hitler's 1939 "useless eaters" policy, he tried to duck the question, instead ranting incoherently. His actions, she said, are nothing less than a betrayal of the oath of office he took, to uphold the Constitution. The anger directed at him during town meetings has been richly deserved, as his constituents' lives are endangered by what he has done in the Congress, and what he will continue to do if re-elected. Therefore, she concluded, "I am running for Congress, to defeat him in the Democratic Party primary. To those who have lost your homes, or are in danger of losing them, because of Bailout Barney's actions, join with me, to send him packing. To those who have lost your jobs, or fear you will lose them, join me in getting The LaRouche Plan passed by the U.S. Congress, to revive our tradition of a credit system, to revive our productive economy, while shutting down the bailouts of speculators. For those whose lives, and those of your family members, are threatened, due to his promotion of the Obama Nazi health care bill, join me in defeating this legislation. Bailout Barney, you ducked my questions once before -- you will not be able to duck me again." Larouche Role in Obama Health Care plan - Gary McGowan - 15-11-2009 Here is more on the relationship of "British" to the National Health Service from LaRouchePAC (Notes are mine.) : The British Monarchy Caught in a Death Scheme September 10, 2009 (LPAC)—The Royal Family and panicky City of London financiers began implementing, in 2008, a new program to kill elderly and other sick people, precisely repeating the opening phase of Hitler's 1939 T-4 euthanasia program. Under the Liverpool Care Pathway adopted for general use by the National Health Service, those showing symptoms that might foreshadow death are targeted to be killed by heavy narcotics and the withdrawal of fluids and nutrition. The new policy reportedly accounted for about one sixth of all deaths in Britain last year, according to a study by Dr. Clive Seale, of the prestigious Barts and the London School of Medicine and Dentistry. [1] [2] [3] When the world financial system meltdown began in 2007, British imperial leaders pursued drastic shifts in funds away from public services and into bailouts of the London-Wall Street axis. They rushed into general practice an all-out euthanasia policy, that had been introduced as a pilot project in 2003-2004 by then-Prime Minister Tony Blair and royal health adviser Simon Stevens. This British fascist "health-care reform" agenda was at the same time exported to the United States for adoption by the incoming Obama Administration. The King's Fund is the official agency driving the new euthanasia. A government-funded charity, called alternatively Marie Curie Cancer Care or Marie Curie Hospice, is the operations center tasked with shaping the killing program. Prince Charles has been president of the King's Fund since 1986, and president of the Marie Curie Hospice organization since about 2000. What is today called the King's Fund was created in the late 19th Century by the Prince of Wales. After he became King Edward VII, the agency was incorporated in 1907 as King Edward's Hospital Fund for London. This was the Royal Family's planning center for the reform of health care, in accord with the Empire's innovation of the time, eugenics or race-purification theory. To start up the new killing program in 2008, the Queen became the Patron, the agency was re-incorporated under the shorter name, King's Fund, and Prince Charles and his retainers went into overdrive. The King's Fund and the Marie Curie Hospice were merged for action with the June 24, 2008 announcement that King's Fund Policy and Development Director Steve Dewar would simultaneously lead the two agencies, to "develop the contribution of both organizations to the further improvement of end-of-life services across the U.K." In July 2008, the National Health Service published its End of Life Care Strategy, developed by an NHS Strategy unit set up for the new euthanasia program. The Marie Curie Palliative Care Institute in Liverpool is one of two centers for experimental killing regimes. Out of this has come the procedure called the Liverpool Care Pathway, with its Continuous Deep Sedation, which has recently broken into the headlines in Britain due to a public protest against the murders by physicians. Marie Curie Chief Executive Tom Hughes-Hallett, a King's Fund Senior Associate, chairs the "external Implementation Advisory Board" for the national End of Life Care Strategy. In his forward to the killers' first annual report, published by the National Service in July, 2009, Hughes-Hallett wrote, "We're trying to change the way this country thinks about and responds to the idea of death. We're trying to change the way the medical and social care professions think about and respond to death. We're trying to change the way end of life care services are commissioned." Being a City of London financier (with J. Henry Schroeder, and then chairman of Robert Fleming Securities), Hughes-Hallett wrote further on the urgency of getting the killing program going full blast, now: "One thing that has changed quickly, and unexpectedly, is the financial climate. For this financial year and the next, the NHS has new money for this strategy. After that things are much less certain...." In that national Strategy Report, the "end of life care pathway" starts with "Step One: Identifying people who are approaching the end of life"; it proceeds to "Step Five: Last days of life," in which the Liverpool Care Pathway is the means of termination. After this comes "Step Six: Care after death," or what to do with the bodies and the survivors, and proposed methods for falsifying death certificates to show a natural cause rather than homicide — precisely as was done in the Hitler T-4 program. A National Health Service-commissioned report by McKinsey and Company, calling for saving $32 billon per year by drastic cuts in health care, was leaked to the press last week. King's Fund chief economist John Appleby (quoted in Time magazine, Sept. 9, 2009) responded that these savings must be accomplished by finding "ways to counter rising health-care costs associated with an aging population, expensive new medical treatments and rising patient expectations." King's Fund chief executive Niall Dickson chimed in that, rather than doing more with less resources, "Doing less with less seems a more realistic scenario." The Royal euthanasia program was introduced as a pilot project in 2003 and 2004 by Simon Stevens, Blair's chief adviser on health policy from 2001 to 2004. In 2007, Stevens went to the United States to spread the euthanasia project there. Stevens became vice president of Minnesota-based UnitedHealth, the massive private health insurance company for the U.S. and Britain. Stevens' official job is to advise all private health insurers to get behind the new agenda for health-care reform. Continuing as a trustee of the King's Fund for Prince Charles in London, Simon Stevens connects President Obama with the London-Wall Street axis, for implementation of the urgent strategy in the face of financial catastrophe. [4] ----------- NOTES [1] The Times, October 28, 2009 (Long after the above LPAC article) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6892965.ece [2] This is worthwhile (Aug. 12, 2009) http://www.dwdv.org.au/News/News0468.html [3] The BARTS article is here (not free). http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/339/sep14_1/b3690 [4] A 09/17/2009 A very worthwhile 15-minute video interview with the author of the above pasted article, Anton Chaitkin, is here - http://www.larouchepac.com/node/11764 Larouche Role in Obama Health Care plan - David Guyatt - 15-11-2009 The British National Health Service was the brainchild of the Labour Party that came to power post WWII as part of their Welfare State programme. Indeed, my grandfather, an opthalmic surgeon, was involved in birthing the NHS. It is, for all its faults, a fabulous and (on balance) fair system for the delivery of health care to everyone without favour or prejudice. It is absolutely not fascist and the notion that it is is quite unbelievably ridiculous. It is, in fact, heads and shoulders above the US health-for-profit system of heavily enriching medical practitioners and medical insurance corporations who leech off the misfortunes of others and is thus a truly civilizing advance. I use the British NHS system all the time and have nothing but respect for it. Larouche Role in Obama Health Care plan - Gary McGowan - 15-11-2009 I don't doubt or have argument with anything you say, David. I have also heard reports complementing the UK system by visitors to the UK. And thank you for the history/background. As far as I know, LaRouche and colleagues have never said nor intended to imply that "the British NHS ... is an inherently fascist system" (Quote from Jan's post). What they are saying is that the system has recently been subject to austerity measures affecting significantly large numbers of people who are judged as being close to death, and that those (fascist) austerity measures are being promulgated in the U.S.A. and many other countries. Further, they show who is involved in this operation. Details in my post above. Larouche Role in Obama Health Care plan - Jan Klimkowski - 15-11-2009 Gary McGowan Wrote:As far as I know, LaRouche and colleagues have never said nor intended to imply that "the British NHS ... is an inherently fascist system" (Quote from Jan's post). What they are saying is that the system has recently been subject to austerity measures affecting significantly large numbers of people who are judged as being close to death, and that those (fascist) austerity measures are being promulgated in the U.S.A. and many other countries. Further, they show who is involved in this operation. Details in my post above. The description is in the very LaRouchian propaganda material you posted: Quote:This British fascist "health-care reform" agenda was at the same time exported to the United States for adoption by the incoming Obama Administration. In one of Linda's posts, LaRouche states: Quote:LaRouche exposed Crook's incompetence as follows. OK - Mr McGowan, let's split hairs. LaRouche is describing the "intention" (whatever that may mean) as Nazi and Hitlerian. All healthcare systems have problems. However, for LaRouche & his sycophants to describe the "intention" of Britain's NHS, with its fundamental principle of free treatment for all, as Nazi or fascist - take your pick - is complete and utter rubbish. Larouche Role in Obama Health Care plan - Gary McGowan - 15-11-2009 It's the "reform" -- the austerity measures -- being promulgated, that LaRouche is talking about, not the NHS itself. LaRouche and colleagues have never said nor intended to imply that the British NHS is an inherently fascist system. It's not! Killing grandma (or a child with a life-threatening disease) in an attempt to pay for the "bailout" of an bankrupt casino which was said to be a reputable state-of-the-art world monetary financial system is the issue. The trillions (tens or hundreds of trillions?) in debt are unpayable. The financiers are controlling conditions all over the planet to keep their usurious game going. What we should be doing is to restart building up the physical economy again, not imposing austerity as the propagandists and controllers of popular opinion have steered us toward. Mustering the political will is the challenge. |