Deep Politics Forum
A 9/11 Reality Check - Printable Version

+- Deep Politics Forum (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora)
+-- Forum: Deep Politics Forum (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/forum-1.html)
+--- Forum: 911 (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/forum-6.html)
+--- Thread: A 9/11 Reality Check (/thread-2111.html)



A 9/11 Reality Check - Ed Jewett - 10-09-2009

Published on Wednesday, September 9, 2009 by TruthDig.com A 9/11 Reality Check

by Robert Scheer



What if eight years ago the World Trade Center had been leveled by a small nuclear bomb that took out most of lower Manhattan as well? How many millions of innocent civilians would we have killed in retaliation? Would we still be a free society, or would Dick Cheney have attained the power of a demented king, having moved on from snooping on our phone calls and outing honest CIA agents to destroying the last vestiges of the rule of law?



As assaults on a society go, the 9/11 attacks, which left 3,000 dead and are sure to be described in this anniversary week as being among the greatest of historical outrages, were something less than that, given the world's experience with the ravages of war. The countless Russians and the 6 million Jews killed by those so finely educated Germans come to mind. The 3.4 million Vietnamese, mostly rice farmers, whom Robert McNamara admitted to having helped kill with his carpet-bombing of their country, are a forgotten footnote. Yet we who have never experienced such carnage on our home front all too easily poke out tens of thousands of eyes for each lost one of our own.


Surely two planes crashing into office buildings and another hitting the Pentagon doesn't compare to the leveling of every major city in Japan with conventional bombing, capped off by the mass murder of hundreds of thousands more at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Speaking of eyes lost, mark the words of Hiroshima's mayor two years ago: "That fateful summer, 8:15 AM. The roar of a B-29 breaks the morning calm. A parachute opens in the blue sky. Then suddenly, a flash, an enormous blast-silence-hell on Earth. The eyes of young girls watching the parachute were melted."


We assumed that the Japanese people would readily forgive us and, having been raised in the spirit of total obedience to their emperor, they accommodated our occupation quite well, even injecting industrial-grade silicon into their women's breasts to satisfy the erotic appetites of our soldiers.


Americans who blithely claim the moral high ground with every pledge of allegiance to a flag that, because it is American, is assumed to have never been sullied by imperial greed or moral contradiction expect no less than instant and full forgiveness for our "mistakes." Only last month, four decades after he led the massacre of 500 villagers in My Lai, Vietnam, did former Army Lt. William Calley express "regret" for his crimes. He served no time in prison for the point-blank shooting of toddlers, thanks to the commutation of his sentence by Richard Nixon, who might have been anticipating his own need for a presidential pardon.


In blind and wrathful retaliation for 9/11 we wreaked havoc on Iraq, a nation that our then-president knew had not attacked us, and we continue to slaughter peasants in Afghanistan who aren't able to find Manhattan on a map.


We, a people whose nation has never suffered a long and widespread occupation, easily gave vent to our most barbaric impulses, assuming the absolute right to arrest and torture anyone anywhere in the world without revealing his identity, let alone respecting a single one of those God-given rights that we claim for ourselves alone. And even when we identify the few we hold responsible for the attacks on our soil, we refuse them public and fair trials even after years of torturing them.


But we do have a saving grace for our experiment in democracy-although unfortunately it did not exist in the Supreme Court or Congress as a barrier to an imperial vice presidency. It is the power of the lone whistle-blower of conscience, occasionally given voice in what remains of our free press and which can influence presidential elections, as happened quite dramatically this last time around. There are those like Joe Wilson, who exposed presidential fraud masquerading as national security concern over bogus Iraqi purchases of uranium from Niger, and more recently the truth-telling of Ali H. Soufan, a former FBI agent and lead interrogator of terrorists.
In Sunday's New York Times, Soufan, who was involved in obtaining much reliable information from prisoners before they were tortured, observed that the recently released memos cited by Cheney to back his argument that torture was efficient actually "fail to show that the techniques stopped even a single imminent threat of terrorism."


So, Cheney is again proved wrong, but if there had been a larger attack on 9/11, I doubt whether many free souls would be around now to tell him so.


© 2009 TruthDig.com


Robert Scheer is editor of Truthdig.com and a regular columnist for The San Francisco Chronicle.


http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/09/09-1


A 9/11 Reality Check - David Healy - 10-09-2009

Ed Jewett Wrote:Published on Wednesday, September 9, 2009 by TruthDig.com

...

We, a people whose nation has never suffered a long and widespread occupation, easily gave vent to our most barbaric impulses, assuming the absolute right to arrest and torture anyone anywhere in the world without revealing his identity, let alone respecting a single one of those God-given rights that we claim for ourselves alone. And even when we identify the few we hold responsible for the attacks on our soil, we refuse them public and fair trials even after years of torturing them.

...

" We, a people whose nation has never suffered a long and widespread occupation, easily gave vent to our most barbaric impulses..."

ludicrious -- we simply have bigger sticks. Viking

Having grown up with the San Francisco Chronicle, and its green sheet, I can state, when Herb Caen died in 1997, the SFChronicle died!


A 9/11 Reality Check - Charles Drago - 10-09-2009

Hi David,

I'm afraid I must disagree with you and Mr. Scheer.

This nation has been occupied by hostile forces since 11/22/63 -- or even earlier, it may be argued.

As a matter of physical and political survival, the true rulers of all nations must, from time to time, demand that their citizens commit -- actively and/or passively -- acts of barbarism against the citizens of other nations and against themselves.

America is no exception.

I give you Gettysburg and Wounded Knee and My Lai and Kent State.

For starters.

Charlie


A 9/11 Reality Check - Ed Jewett - 10-09-2009

Yes, the gods of greed and power love a good blood sacrifice...

I haven't yet been to Gettysburg, but a walk across the ground at Antietam, or surveying the slopes at Fredericksburg, will chill any sentient being. The idea of men with massed muskets or cannon or Gatling or worse is simply appalling, so the idea of bombs, especially those now delivered with the help of a "joystick", is incomprehensible and repugnant.


A 9/11 Reality Check - David Guyatt - 11-09-2009

David Healy Wrote:ludicrious -- we simply have bigger sticks. Viking

I wonder how long the big stick can continue to last David? The boys of Wall Street have run the nation into the ground and no one trust Uncle's dollar anymore. Consequently, the Pentagon will, sooner or later, begin to have its budget irreparably shrunk and many of its best toys taken away, sold off the China or India or otherwise perpetually stored in rust yards, as happened to the Russians in the 1990's.

Then along will come a new Empire.

Maybe.