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Usa, 24.9.2009 - Carsten Wiethoff - 24-09-2009
After President Obama was informed that September 11 was not the event that was depicted, I just want to ask one other question:
Who killed John O'Neill?
And one more:
Who killed the innocent victims, the firefighters, policemen, the people dying from lung cancer because of the dust.
The american justice system will break under the load. Many people will lose all faith into what they believed. Many people will be very angry. Speechless.
Nothing will ever be the same in corporate america.
Either it will be a long way to healing or a short way to Fascism.
We all have to fight fascism and support President Obama, whether we believe he is innocent or not. There is no better man available.
Israel, Britain, Germany, France, Spain and countless other countries are also guilty, of complicity in the crimes.
The main victims are the victims of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The first victim has been the truth, as in any war.
Maybe a truth comission can help. It will be very painful.
It is a surreal situation to be waiting for something to happen and hoping that not too much will happen. Let us all be peaceful, as much as we can.
Carsten
Usa, 24.9.2009 - Paul Rigby - 24-09-2009
Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:The first victim has been the truth, as in any war.
A common misconception, Carsten, for truth is ordinarily a corpse a long time before a shot is fired in earnest. No, the first fruit of war is propaganda, and the opening casualty is elementary consistency.
Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Maybe a truth comission can help. It will be very painful.
Nothing will happen: The US elite is above the law; and Obama is a devoted servant of that elite, not to mention its smelly, if lucrative, orthodoxies. The broad mass of the American people don't care.
Usa, 24.9.2009 - Carsten Wiethoff - 25-09-2009
Yeah, it takes some time to get a reaction.
And NO. NOBODY is above the law.
And YES, the New York Times is lying.
Get used to it.
Carsten
Usa, 24.9.2009 - Myra Bronstein - 25-09-2009
Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Yeah, it takes some time to get a reaction.
And NO. NOBODY is above the law.
And YES, the New York Times is lying.
Get used to it.
Carsten
And the fact that "there is no better man available" almost makes Obama less forgivable than his predecessor Bush, aka "no worse man available."
Bush was always scum, the idiot drunkard fortunate son of a power player, who served as the power player's proxy in the white house. If he was born to anyone else he'd be in and out of prison for DUIs and urinating in public, then ultimately die an anonymous death from chrosis of the liver and lack of health insurance.
But Obama had potential--brains and charisma and charm and the power to persuade. And he's used it in service of the shadow government. He doesn't seem tortured by it, or even conflicted. He's just smooth as silk and apparently happy as can be.
I guess he like the deal he made with the devil.
Usa, 24.9.2009 - Carsten Wiethoff - 25-09-2009
Currently I still have hope that he can overcome his chains and become a great president. None of us is without guilt. The question is, how we deal with it.
Carsten
Usa, 24.9.2009 - Bernice Moore - 25-09-2009
Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Currently I still have hope that he can overcome his chains and become a great president. None of us is without guilt. The question is, how we deal with it.
Carsten
I THINK PERHAPS TOO MANY MADE UP THEIR MINDS TOO QUICKLY RE OBAMA IMO GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE I KNOW..BOOM, SO MUCH CAN BE POINTED OUTAND SEEN AS TO HIS BOWING TO THE EVIL MONGERS WHO RULE IN THE BACKGROUND, PERHAPS...ALREADY SO WHOMEVER RUN NEXT TIME AND TRY TO DO BETTER... PERHAPS ONE DAY WE SHALL KNOW ALL IN REFERENCE TO HIM AS WE DO NOT THE BUSHES AS YET,,AND THEN PERHAPS THERE WILL BE NO DOUBT BUT I DO THINK SOME PERHAPS JUMPED ON THE BANDWAGON WAY TOO QUICKLY TO DOWN HIM AND BELIEVED ALL THE POISON PEN WITTEN BY THE MEDIA REPEATED ON THE WEB THAT FILLS IT SO.AND IS REPOSTED ON SITES...CONSTANTLY
HOW DOES THE SAYING GO ONLY BELIEVE HALF OF WHAT
YOU SEE AND NONE OF WHAT YOU READ, ESPECIALLY ON WEB SITES AND IN NEWSPAPERS .WHICH AFTER ALL MAY BE exactly and FOLLOWING their AGENDA TO HAVE DONE WHAT THEY HAVE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED....BURY HIM..in some peoples MINDS AND opinions..who believe it all.... IT IS WHAT was and is WANTED IMO DO NOT HELP THEM...continue to bury him just because it is repeated does not make it true of all, those interested in the assns should recognize that as fact.....I DO SEE SO VERY MUCH THAT RINGS IMO ON THE WEB AS EXTREME BIGOTRY THEY EXCUSE THEMSELVES BY SHOUTING THEY ARE NOT BUT THEY REPEAT THE CRAP... WHETHER ADMITTED to OR NOT THEY SMELL IMO AND OPENLY AT TIMES IT ALMOST APPEARS A HATRED OF THE MAN BECAUSE HE IS BLACK,.THAT IS HIS BIGGEST SIN IT WOULD APPEAR..WITH SOME. SHAME...AND THEY WILL USE THAT REPEATEDKY A MILLION FOLD..IMO B:2in1:
Usa, 24.9.2009 - Carsten Wiethoff - 25-09-2009
Bernice,
does that mean that you, too, have hope?
Carsten
Usa, 24.9.2009 - Bernice Moore - 25-09-2009
Your damn right i have not thrown in the towel as yet and we live on top of the ruddy elephant who every time she sneezes we rattle with all as well as mexico and her too close alies also....because she says so..b
Usa, 24.9.2009 - Magda Hassan - 25-09-2009
I don't care if he is black, white, brindle or pale blue. I would just like to seem him DO something. So far all I have seen is Bush III. No change, just continuity. He could:
Apologize to many starting with the American Indians.
Bring the troops home.
Close the US bases.
Regulate the banks.
Charge the criminals.
Get rid of patriot act and other such draconian legislation.
Institute real changes in environmental sustainability and do it now.
Free public health for all.
Decriminalise drugs and stop supporting narco-states.
Build Federal framework so people can create and build things that people need.
but he hasn't done anything like this. He could have started to do this anytime. It has been 10 months since the election and he should have had things ready to go. None of the above is terribly radical and is the least he can do.
:banghead:
Usa, 24.9.2009 - Carsten Wiethoff - 25-09-2009
I find the speeches at the UN very different from what I heard in the Bush years. From time to time I seem to hear subliminal messages in them, which do give me hope.
At least, Obama will not be able to say he did not know the truth. And if he blatantly mishandles, rapes or tortures the truth, I do have hope that the american people with some help from the outside might be able to stop him.
99.9% of all humanity did not sell their soul. We are many.
Carsten