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Nafeez Mossadeq Ahmed on the liquid bomb plot - Paul Rigby - 27-09-2009 Calibrating fear: The liquid bomb plot and the long war By Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed Quote:The conviction of Abdullah Ahmed Ali, 28, Tanvir Hussain, 28, and Assad Sarwar, 29, in relation to the liquid bomb plot has been seen as a major triumph for British police and intelligence efforts. Yet, despite this being the second re-trial, the prosecution was still only able to convict the three for conspiracy to murder, including their intent to bring down an airplane – but not to prove their capability to carry out the plot. Dr Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed is Executive Director of the Institute for Policy Research & Development (http://www.iprd.org.uk) and the author of The London Bombings: An Independent Inquiry (Duckworth, 2006). His terrorism research was used by the 9/11 Commission, and he has testified to the US Congress. ©Dr Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/paper/index.php?article=4267 Nafeez Mossadeq Ahmed on the liquid bomb plot - Peter Presland - 28-09-2009 I have a slightly ambivalent view of NMA. He has complex roots in communities that have every reason to be suspicious of the UK State and the Western narrative of the world. He does impressive detailed research and much of his stuff is very useful as a sort of archive of all the detail missed or deliberately obfuscated by the MSM. That said he is clearly determined not to burn his bridges with MSM and official sources, even if he does appear to be a thorn in their side at times. It is that side of him that makes me a bit wary. His 7/7 book is a case in point. Good solid research that mentions pretty well all the publicly known facts and fictions and gives them a time-line - but then fails to follow through and even hint at interpretations that he must surely accept as possibilities but which he also knows would be total anathema to officialdom. His orthodox use of the words 'terrorism' and 'terrorist', his copious references to 'al-Qaeda' and the 'Taliban', in fact the entire semantic framework of most of his stuff is orthodox - and in my view his work suffers as a consequence. His piece on the liquid bomb plot is useful though. I'm particularly impressed that Ola Tunander's work (that name again - thanks Peter L) gets serious attention because I regard it as hitting the bulls eye on US/UK dealings with the ISI and the Pakistan/Central Asia situation in general. I'd love to get my hands on that confidential report too. Maybe an email request to NMA or OT would work? Nafeez Mossadeq Ahmed on the liquid bomb plot - David Guyatt - 28-09-2009 Quote:This still raises questions about continued Anglo-American support for the ISI despite its ongoing support for the insurgency. According to a confidential report to the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs by Professor Ola Tunander of the International Peace Research Institute in Oslo (PRIO), the US strategy is to “support both sides in the conflict” so as to “calibrate the level of violence” in Afghanistan to prolong the war. This strategy is instrumental to a wider geopolitical objective of protecting a US-dominated unipolar order against escalating trends toward economic multipolarity and the rising power of major rivals. (my bolding) So as to calibrate the level of violence. Does this means what I think it means, namely causing violence to spiral higher via false flag operations? Or am I simply being too cynical? Nafeez Mossadeq Ahmed on the liquid bomb plot - Peter Presland - 29-09-2009 David Guyatt Wrote:So as to calibrate the level of violence. Does this means what I think it means, namely causing violence to spiral higher via false flag operations? Or am I simply being too cynical?I personally doubt it is possible to be too cynical when it comes to the covert operations of States in pursuit of their hidden agendas. My reading of Tunander on this is that the US has massive logistical capability to provoke unrest and violence between potentially antagonistic factions, communities and small states. Couple the logistical with the in-depth 'intelligence' resulting from UK historical involvement plus massive ongoing surveillance and communications intercepts and the result is the ability to 'calibrate the level of violence' in a manner to precisely suit the objectives du jour. Whether one or other of the parties to the violence is an ostensible ally simply does not enter into the matter other than as just another variable to be included in the overall calculation. US/UK dealing with the Reds and Whites in post WW1 Russia is probably a good analogy. I have no doubt whatsoever that, if a major terrorist attack involving large civilian casualties were calculated as likely to seriously assist US objectives in Central Asia, then such an attack would inevitably occur. I also doubt that ANY of the major 'terrorist' attacks all over the world in recent years have occurred without the involvement of one or other (or a combination of) the Western SIS's and the countries where the attacks happened. Nafeez Mossadeq Ahmed on the liquid bomb plot - David Guyatt - 29-09-2009 I agree entirely Peter. Northern Ireland comes to mind as a domestic example where certain members of the armed forces were tasked to go out in the streets to randomly shoot civilians, I understand. Then there was the case of the Omagh bomb where it was later learned that one of the members of the "Real IRA" who were responsible, was a British Army soldier. Lots like this too, including some bombing events on the mainland that ostensibly was the responsibility of the IRA. Then there was that strange event in Iraq that hit the headlines in 2005 where two British SAS soldiers - members of the Special Reconnaissance Regiment - were arrested after a gun battle with Iraqi police, whereupon it was (according to Iraqi security officials anyway) found that their car held explosives and a remote controlled detonator. Nafeez Mossadeq Ahmed on the liquid bomb plot - Paul Rigby - 06-10-2009 Peter Presland Wrote:I have a slightly ambivalent view of NMA. He has complex roots in communities that have every reason to be suspicious of the UK State and the Western narrative of the world. He does impressive detailed research and much of his stuff is very useful as a sort of archive of all the detail missed or deliberately obfuscated by the MSM. I'm half-way through his The London Bombings: An Independent Inquiry (Duckworth, 2006), and would largely agree with the above. The phrase "licensed-jester" springs to mind. The publisher, incidentally, is tres spooky. Nafeez Mossadeq Ahmed on the liquid bomb plot - Ed Jewett - 06-10-2009 An interesting discussion... Googling the term 'calibrate the violence' turns up some indications that the phrase or concept has gained wider acceptance. One of the more interesting ones, perhaps a parallel in socio-cultural terms, comes from a discussion of the use of an "R" rating of a movie and the MPAA ratings system itself: "Producers and directors routinely calibrate language, violence and sexual situations to win a desired rating." This is certainly consistent with definitions of calibration which connote a tweaking to achieve something. In War by Other Means: The Problem of Political Control in Irish Republican Strategy[/FONT], [/FONT] Armed Forces & Society: An Interdisciplinary Journal[/FONT], September 22, 2000[/FONT], the authors seem to argue a Clausewitzian line that "As war results from political purpose this "intelligence" will "remain the supreme consideration" in its conduct." [See http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-68159587/war-other-means-problem.html ] The prevailing themes seem to be that there are parties who are "tweaking" so as to insure the continuation of conflict without letting it get out of control. Chris Floyd and Arthur Silber discuss the abuse of intelligence; see http://www.chris-floyd.com/. And there's a RAND document out there by C. Christine Fair for the USAF on counter-terror coalitions and cooperation with India and Pakistan that uses the term. And three weeks ago, William S. Lind over at http://www.d-n-i.net/dni/ had an article on the Taliban's Air Force and the concept of a "pseudo-op" ("where one side dresses up in the other side’s uniforms or otherwise duplicates his signatures, then does something that works against the goals of the simulated party"). No, David Guyatt, I don't think you're too cynical. |