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Clay Shaw - Jim DiEugenio - 10-03-2016 Tom: I stand by what I said. I thought the first part of your post was interesting, about Lemman etc Steve and Monte. I have no idea what you were talking about later on. I don't buy Carpenter's book, and I have explained why here. I talked to Wallace Milam about Carpenter. So I know what he was up to. Its pretty clear who directed Nicolas isn't it? I mean Monroe and Lemman was the official CIA clandestine payment center for New Orleans, and they paid for the defense of some of Garrison's suspects and they supplied Sheridan with money to bribe others and to pay for the production of what was once a two part special. I mean you have read the Fred Leemans affidavit in my book? (Destiny Betrayed 2013, pgs. 240-41) Unlike Carpenter, I don't believe for five seconds that Garrison did not have the right people in New Orleans: Banister, Shaw and Ferrie. And since David Phillips was: 1. Likely in Banister's office to promote a city wide telethon with Butler and Novel 2. In charge of the CIA's anti FPCC campaign, and likely gave Banister the flyers Oswald handed out--since they were out of print for two years but the CIA ordered them in 1961 3. Was seen at a training camp in the New Orleans area with Banister and Oswald Then not only did he have the right people in New Orleans (and I did not even mention Sergio Arcacha Smith who reportedly had diagrams of the sewer system beneath Dealey Plaza in his apartment in Dallas), JG was one step away from the next level of the plot. I discuss all of these evidentiary points in my book. Which, if you ever read, you forgot about once you read Carpenter's abject apologia. Which I stopped reading once I saw what he did with Shaw in the military vs. the revelations of the Bacque book. Clay Shaw - Scott Kaiser - 11-03-2016 See, I'm not some disinformation agent who's trying to disrupt the community, when Jim said; Quote:​Tom: I have no idea what you were talking about I agree! Clay Shaw - Scott Kaiser - 11-03-2016 All kidding aside, Jim, if Phillips was likely in Banister's office, and he was in-charge of the FPCC anti-campaign I can assure you McCord was also aware of this. Clay Shaw - Scott Kaiser - 11-03-2016 Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Tom: Quote:Then not only did he have the right people in New Orleans (and I did not even mention Sergio Arcacha Smith who reportedly had diagrams of the sewer system beneath Dealey Plaza in his apartment in Dallas), JG was one step away from the next level of the plot. YES!!! For some reason this post almost feels like I'm having an org-a-sum. There is three Sergio's I came across, the first was from CORU, and my father was a close associate of Frank Castro, the second Sergio I came across is Tosh Plumlee's friend, and Tosh says he knew my father, lastly is this Sergio who you mention, now, there is a Sergio mentioned in my father's address book, I really never did a background check through the Library other then a FOIA search, after reading this post I believe it would be advantageous for me to contact the Miami Dade Public Library again, thanks for posting this Jim. Clay Shaw - Scott Kaiser - 11-03-2016 http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339632/m1/1/ Clay Shaw - Scott Kaiser - 11-03-2016 I find this very interesting, at the same time Kaiser was in Miami, so was Smith, Sergio who was leader of CRC until the Miami Headquarter relived him, then Frank Bartes takes over, Frank is also in a 40pic photo seen sitting around the table with Frank Sturgis, Barry Seal, Novo, Gonzalez and others. Bartes knew Oswald. Felix was very pissed at me for sending him this photo. https://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol10/pdf/HSCA_Vol10_AC_5_CRC_NO.pdf https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20673422/JFKseal4-2.jpg 1.Felix Rodgurez 2.Frank Bender aka Jerry Doller 3.Barry Seal 4.Ignacio Guillermo Novo 5.Eduardo Arocena 6.Manuel Ray 7.Frank Bartes 8.Ramon Barquin 9.Frank Sturgis 10.Virgilio Gonzalez Clay Shaw - Jim DiEugenio - 12-03-2016 Scott Kaiser Wrote:http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339632/m1/1/ I was aware of this relationship, but not this document. Sergio A Smith and Shaw were friends and associates. I think this Hernandez guy was Smith's lawyer, and Shaw knew him also. Clay Shaw - Scott Kaiser - 12-03-2016 Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Scott Kaiser Wrote:http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339632/m1/1/ What I believe doesn't matter, so I will say, when Frank Sturgis' attorney promised Mark Lane the release of Frank's test, he said he had "sold" it, but he didn't mention to who. Mark was upset that Frank's attorney Henry Rothblatt sold Frank's test to under mind the investigation and not expose the results as [promised] to Mark. Now, although this test is exposed, it really doesn't mean a thing, the test itself can be manipulated, coerced into saying whatever he wants on [paper], and in the end we are not shown the finial results of the actual test, so, we really don't know without having a second opinion by an expert to look at the final results. Truthfully, without posting those results, and only posting the questions and answers along with the conclusion means absolutely nothing. You are right, Hernandez was Smith's lawyer and they all knew each other. Clay Shaw - Scott Kaiser - 12-03-2016 Nor are we provided with a tape audio or video recording of the actual test, so, what's on paper doesn't always mean it true, the "burden of proof" is with them, and I would question these results. Clay Shaw - Tom Scully - 17-03-2016 Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Tom: Jim, you're the expert, pardon me..... Say what you will about Carpenter.... but he missed none of this, https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-knckgt3ASNI/Vrd2i7xQ1aI/AAAAAAAACvo/5jaPhYc302k/s512-Ic42/BaldwinFirstCousinCarpenter.jpg ...or this, https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6e7iexAG0lM/Vrds4GJIGUI/AAAAAAAACvM/3WomDDWJrMw/s512-Ic42/BaldwinLemannStepsisterCarpenter.jpg I found every detail in the two images in the two preceding links, independently, and then I found Carpenter's research. He added one more detail, that David Baldwin (and his brother, Atty Edward Baldwin) was not only Lee Garrison's first cousin, but also her godfather, and that Baldwin had informed Shaw of these details in a letter to Shaw dated one day after Shaw's arrest. SS Chief Rowley spelled the name wrong… McChann, and has the subject's age wrong (too young) by at least five years…..reported as age 26 in 1964: http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11341&search=walter_mcchann#relPageId=2&tab=page Commission Document 945 - SS Rowley Letter of 5 May 1964 re: Walter J. McChann, pg 2 Found in: Warren Commission Documents ....but that he always felt that Colonel Castor was "playing the role of an intelligence officer" in his contacts with the Cubans; that he seems to be more interested.... http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1210&relPageId=59&search=intelligence Orleans Parish Grand Jury Testimony of Harold Weisberg, 28 Apr 1967, pg 57 Found in: Orleans Parish Grand Jury Transcripts the Secret Service Col. Castor's actions are consistent with that of an Intelligence Agent. These things I knew but who Col. Castor was I didn't know until.... http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/rich_n.htm TESTIMONY OF NANCY PERRIN RICH http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1210&relPageId=58&search=weisberg_and%20nancy Orleans Parish Grand Jury Testimony of Harold Weisberg, 28 Apr 1967, pg 56 Found in: Orleans Parish Grand Jury Transcripts all part of the Odio story. Q. Does he say at all that the Col. described Nancy (inaudible) A. I don't think so but this is one of the things I want to find.... Date: Thursday, April 23, 1964 Paper: Times-Picayune Two years after the announcement in the image directly above by Stephen B Lemann, Weisberg testimony to NOLA Grand Jury.: http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1210&relPageId=51&search=find Dallas Catholic Group Aids Cuban Refugees Date: Saturday, March 31, 1962 Paper: Dallas Morning News I am extremely disappointed in your defensive reaction, Jim. I'm one of your paid readers. I purchased your book. I'm sharing what I find, with you. You've had a choice. Instead of a discussion, you lecture me and lash out at Carpenter. "Haven't you read my book?" is not an adequate response to what I've presented to you, especially considering; Tom Scully Wrote:....... Stephen B. Lemann's nephew Nicholas "hit" Garrison in 1974 in the Harvard Crimson, and again in late 1991 in GQ Magazine. Perry Russo gave a stronger and more convincing response to any Lemann than Garrison ever did. : http://www.leagle.com/decision/19921409806FSupp603_11312/RUSSO%20v.%20CONDE%20NAST%20PUBLICATIONS Here is the only direct response from Garrison, that I can identify.: Quote:http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/comment-of-the-week-17/#comment-858943 In this area, Donald H Carpenter has done more comprehensive research than I have been able to do. On my own, I am impressed that both Garrison and Shaw could take a punch..... The ability of either to throw punches is another matter entirely. I have to leave open the possibility that Garrison and Shaw served the same master(s). It is a reasonable reaction to what I've learned, despite how absurd it may seem to readers heavily invested in a fixed conclusion. Was Oliver Stone "fleeced" by Garrison, or did Garrison present everything to Sklar and Shaw that I have been sharing with you? Judging by Sklar's response to Nicholas B. Lemann, I think not.: (It seems Sklar took the gloves off for this response to Lemann's GQ article, or indicates Sklar was not witting to the depth of Nicholas B Lemann's knowledge, but Garrison certainly was.) Quote:https://archive.org/stream/nsia-StoneOliverJFKMovie/nsia-StoneOliverJFKMovie/Stone%20Oliver%20JFK%20Movie%200930_djvu.txt Quote:(See Letters to GQ, http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/S%20Disk/Stone%20Oliver%20JFK%20Movie/Gentleman's%20Quarterly/Item%2002.pdf |