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Hitler's skull? It's female... - Jan Klimkowski - 11-10-2009 Quote:Tests on skull fragment cast doubt on Adolf Hitler suicide story http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/27/adolf-hitler-suicide-skull-fragment Hitler's skull? It's female... - Jan Klimkowski - 11-10-2009 These Connecticut doctors were able to tell just from looking at "Hitler's skull" that it was female. There's no way that Soviet pathologists would not have realized this. Sixty-four long years ago. Either somebody got the skulls mixed up. Which is possible, but pretty unlikely. Or this is a decades-old cover up. Cui bono? Hitler's skull? It's female... - Magda Hassan - 11-10-2009 I am not sure about the following but it is interesting. It is known that Hitler employed a double. Certainly there are many places in South America which are German enclaves. Another case of living on after a supposed death is the case of the Tsar Nicholas and his wife and family. There were many eyewitness reports of them being moved around Russia by the Red Army to keep them from the Whites and to be used as a bargaining chip in their dealings with others. This was happening long after their supposed execution in Yekaterinburg. Up to two years after. Anthony Summers has covered some of this in his book 'Hunt for the Tsar'. So, things are not always as they are stated or appear to be. Quote:"Soviet soldiers dug deep into the rubble of the Reich Chancellery for Hitler's corpse. "They did not find it," states the May 14, 1945 issue of TIME magazine.and Quote:Abel Basti, an Argentinian journalist, is the author of 'Bariloche Nazi'. Basti claims Hitler escaped to San Carlos de Bariloche, in Patagonia, in Argentina, and died in 1960.http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbarilochenazi.com.ar%2Fhitler_en_argentina.htm Hitler's skull? It's female... - Myra Bronstein - 12-10-2009 Really interesting thread. I saw that report too, about the female skull, and meant to post it here but forgot. Good link too Maggie. As far as who benefits--I would think any receiving government would benefit Jan just like the US gov't did via operation paperclip. All those nazi experiments and science... And, of course, anyone who wanted twins. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/4307262/Nazi-angel-of-death-Josef-Mengele-created-twin-town-in-Brazil.html Hitler's skull? It's female... - Myra Bronstein - 12-10-2009 More from Abel Basti: http://www.barilochenazi.com.ar/english/introduction.htm. This is translated by google, but the meaning is clear. Emphasis (bold and red) is mine. "Introduction Did Adolf Hitler and his wife Eva Braun actually fled from Europe? Have Hitler’s and his wife’s suicide been a great fraud? Has humanity been deceived for more than half a century? Did they escape with the help of the Allies? Did they both arrive in Argentina by submarine, where they lived for many years? Hidden for more than seventy years, in the twenty-first century, and if confirmed officially, Hitler’s escape would be one of the most controversial topics of contemporary history due to the many implications as this secret escape took place under the noses of the world. To prove that this last minute salvage operation, performed so the leader of National Socialism would not die in the hands of the Communist Army, involves an effort from a group of freelance investigators from different countries. Especially because it must confront the pressure coming from the opposing official version, sustained by powerful international economic and political interests. The same exclusive circle of world power, who in 1945, already knew about the fake suicide of the Nazi leader and his wife The spectacular phenomenon of globalization of information has produced various changes in the last years. This situation was very different during WWII, when it was undoubtedly thought that the Allies, led by the United States, represented the freedom, fought for human rights, moral and positive values of humankind. On the other hand, Adolf Hitler represented evil and embodied the devil himself with his ideology that by all means had to be destructed. This classification, black and white without any shades of grey in between, was the one transmitted and accepted throughout the world. The most destructive conflict in the history of mankind, which generated millions of loses and destruction throughout, developed under these concepts. However, recent events, taking place at the end of the 20th and beginning of 21st centuries, informed on the global information net, allow us to see that this called “truth” about WWII could have been very different in fact. That is, evil was a characteristic that spread its tentacles to the Allies. Nowadays this is a reality in the international world, one that can be known by the news coming from events happening everywhere. The Iraq conflict brought us both sides, the North American version and the ones transmitted by networks not allied to the American government. When, for example the world could watch the bombing of Iraqi civilians, events which are generally called collateral damage, or the tortures which Iraqi war prisoners were submitted to by the United States Army, many realized that John Wayne had died, that not always are the bad ones on the other side, and that the United States government, as well as very powerful multinational companies, create wars, by killing, either using weapons or generating extreme poverty, causing an unbalance between nations. Adding the fact that in different nations, leaders are helped to seize power, who not only are despotic but act unlawfully and do not represent their country’s interests whatsoever. This is not new. Similar situations used to happen, but the big difference is that the world has access to more information, coming from different sources and enlarging the amount, plentiful to form our own opinion. Years ago the reality was completely different, especially during WWII, when the truth was bent and the lack of sources of information, contrary to what happens nowadays, kept certain situations in the hiding, which half a century later are being brought to light. It is important to know that Hitler came to power as a great admirer of the racist politics of the United States, and urging the Germans to imitate, in this sense the North Americans. During the 20’s, while supporting the Nazi ideology Hitler used to say “By banning the entrance of immigrants affected by infectious-contagious diseases and not allowing certain ethnic races to become citizens, the United States of America partly accept one of the principles that fundaments the racial conception of a National Socialist State.” While Hitler was in power, before and during the war, he received permanent support from some extreme right-wing sectors from the USA and England. This is a key factor to understand the facts that are told in this work, the bond between Nazis and Anglo-North Americans was stronger of what is actually known. Every day we have access to new data and evidence that compromises well-known politicians, businessmen and militaries of the world’s most powerful nation. The world today helps us to understand a different non-official version of history. Upon which this book represents only a small contribution to make the truth known. Had Hitler escaped in 1945, being his fake suicide a fundamental piece, it is unthinkable that this should have happened without the United States support and from very powerful ideological sectors related to the Fuhrer, no matter the country in which the followers of the Nazi regimen were. This statement, that strikes at the beginning and causes astonishment but rarely causes any indifference, has a logical explanation in the international context registered at the end of WWII. It was the Russians; that is, the Communist Army, the ones that took Berlin over and headed towards the Bunker were 56-year old Hitler fought against the events, and that by that time, as he clearly knew, were irreversible. It was the Soviets who could trespass the city’s defenses and finally entered the impenetrable shelter in Berlin to arrest Hitler. At this point of the events, the Nazis had known they were losing the war for a couple of years and given the facts, had prepared an escape plan, the Fuhrer, the great enemy who had seemed invincible at the beginning, had been defeated. But yet he was useful to fight against communism in Europe. This fact was known by the Allies, and Hitler’s assassination would have represented a great loss, if not the biggest loss that could happen of anticommunist leader for a future war against the Soviets. Consequently, the United States, and especially the Anglo-North American right-winged interests, were determined to save Hitler. A small part of the most important Nazi generals had to be sacrificed, who were trialed and condemned by the Nuremberg Court, but not the ‘Number One’. In this same situation was his wife, Eva Braun, as well as some hierarchs who were never captured. This explains why Hitler was evacuated, the original plan was conceived by the Nazis, however, it was implemented once Berlin received the green light from Washington. Hitler and his wife were to be taken to a far away, safe place in the world. That destination was the Patagonia. When the Soviet officials entered the Bunker, Russian leader, Joseph Stalin immediately asked for a report on the whereabouts of the President of Germany. The first news he received from his generals was definite: the most wanted man had escaped. Stalin informed the United States in the exact same words. This striking piece of first-hand information is even more shocking when the Soviets state that Hitler had fled in a submarine, bound for Spain or Argentina. Everything stated here has been documented, it was even published by newspapers of that time, and whoever wants to question Hitler’s escape must first of all know the facts about the official history, hidden too by official misinformation. It is clear that at the time, with Stalin’s army in Germany and in many other parts of Europe, that a new world reality was being born, one that led a to rising tension between the Allies and Moscow. To put it into few words, it was capitalism against atheistic communism. The Nazis rejected Carl Marx’s ideology and differently from the left-winged ideology, allowed the existence of capital and private enterprises. The German economy had a strong state control, but permitted private companies as well as private property. That is why the Third Reich’s ideas were closer to Washington than to Moscow. Hitler’s salvaged means a triumph over the threatening “red danger”, committed to take over other counties from around the world. He was a guarantee, a precaution. A way of making sure that by keeping him alive he could be useful in the near future. At that time the future that laid ahead was bleak, a WWIII. Russian had to be defeated and had to be sent to Eastern Europe by all possible means. This conflict could have started a few months after the end of WWII. This was already in the plans of the Allies forces. Who could command this combat in Europe against the Soviets?, Who with a single speech could mobilize the entire German Army? Who could make hordes of people rise against Moscow? Without any doubt the perfect man for this ‘crusade’ was Hitler. And the best ideologically trained army to fight communism was the Nazi. When Berlin surrenders, on May 8th, 1945, the strategists were looking into the future, the organization of the world, the next conflict at the door, with all that it meant. This explanation about the ‘obligation’ to save Hitler, could not have been understood a few years ago, when the occidental world believed that there was a good side and a bad one. The former led by the USA and grouping countries as well as enterprises and political sectors sharing the same interests, and “good intentions”. The latter were the Nazis. If that would have been the case, Hitler would have had no escape… Yet, nowadays, the truth is unveiled: the good side is not so good after all. It is now known that the cause of the great problems in the world today is originated by strong economical interests, who create and destroy countries, generate wars and kill millions of innocent people. Maybe it is now, with this completely different panorama, with access to modern communication circuits, that Hitler’s escape is believable and comprehensible. At least it is a debatable topic and not the mere truth imposed by the ones in power who would benefit from it. It is possible that the ones who criticize this new overlook of the events could do so from a perspective that enlarges the topic, because one thing is for certain, only by confronting ideas does the truth arise, and each day that goes by everything seems to point that this truth is very different from the one we were told." Hitler's skull? It's female... - Myra Bronstein - 12-10-2009 Myra Bronstein Wrote:...Everything stated here has been documented, it was even published by newspapers of that time, Sure would like to see these newspapers. Hitler's skull? It's female... - Myra Bronstein - 12-10-2009 According to Abel Basti's website this is a May 8, 1945 BBC audio file describing the body of "Hitler" as a bad double. http://www.barilochenazi.com.ar/Video/bbc_080545.mp3 Hitler's skull? It's female... - Myra Bronstein - 12-10-2009 Myra Bronstein Wrote:... Abel Basti presents this documentation on his site: http://www.translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barilochenazi.com.ar%2Fdocumentos.htm&sl=es&tl=en&history_state0= The google translation of the newspaper article he shows is as follows: "He did not appear even the corpse of the Fuhrer In the Foreign Ministry on the Wilhelmstrasse were found dead bodies of many members of staff Nazi leaders of the Nazi assault troops and a reputation, but not Hitler. Consequently, the question that prevails in allied sources about the death of Hitler and Goebbels and confirmation takes this in the belief that both leaders live at some point in Germany." On edit: The article shows no date. The website says the article is dated May 6, 1945. Hitler supposedly committed suicide on April 30, 1945. Hitler's skull? It's female... - Myra Bronstein - 12-10-2009 More "documentation" from Abel Basti's site: http://www.barilochenazi.com.ar/articulos_periodisticos.htm This is the google translation (possibly with errors introduced by my bad typing) of a Spanish article the website labels as June 9, 1945: "Nothing concrete is known about Adolf Hitler Berlin, June 9 (UP) - After its nearly six weeks of the Occupation of Berlin, Hitler's death remains a deep mystery, as declared by Marshal Zhukov allies correspondents stationed in Moscow for the first time visiting the German capital. "We have found no corpse that could be definitely identified as that of Hitler - Marshal Zhukov manifesto - and therefore we can not make any statement about his death. Until last minute could have escaped from Germany in an airplane. Nor do we know what was Hitler's deputy, Martin Bormann, who remained in Berlin until the end. " The Bezarin general, military commander of Berlin, which previously received foreign correspondents also said the Russians had not been able to unravel the mystery surrounding Hitler and suggested that "perhaps is hidden somewhere in Europe, probably in Spain". He said "several dead bodies were found, either of which could be Hitler, but has not been possible to establish anything concrete." For the rest, the ruins of the Chancellery, which were visited by reporters, did not offer any post related to that dramatic moment of the agony of the Third Reich. The story is still littered with private documents, files and thousands of iron crosses and silver. Examined the lobby correspondents and offices of Hitler's collaborators, and also Hitler's desk, also active in collecting various items as souvenirs of their sight. There in the room a huge crystal chandelier that has remained miraculously intact, and the crumbling walls hundreds of Russian fighters and others have affixed their names and their hometowns. The population of Berlin is as disoriented as the Russians with regard to the mystery of Hitler. The Germans argue that most versions of suicide came from the British vhf, even before the fall of Berlin. Bezarin General said in his conversation with the correspondents, many of the inhabitants of Berlin regularly listened to the BBC transmissions during the war, but none of them would dare to admit." Hitler's skull? It's female... - Myra Bronstein - 12-10-2009 Abel Basti's site (http://www.barilochenazi.com.ar/documentos_secretos.htm) (http://www.hitlerargentina.com.ar/window/images/fbi1.jpg) displays this "FBI" memo (attached). |