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The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - David Guyatt - 26-08-2015

Bravo the families!

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Chilcot Inquiry: Lawyers give Sir John 5pm deadline to announce report publication date or warn he'll face legal action




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Lawyers acting for relatives of British soldiers killed in Iraq have given Sir John Chilcot a 5pm deadline to announce when he will publish his report.

Matthew Jury, of McCue and Partners, which is representing 29 families, said they would proceed with legal action if the deadline is missed, but in a statement Sir John simply said that the "Maxwellisation process", which allows those criticised to respond anonymously to issues raised, should be over "shortly".
The delay in publication has been a growing source of frustration for the families as well as David Cameron, who has demanded a timetable for publication be set out "pretty soon".
Sir John has insisted his inquiry, launched under Gordon Brown in 2009, was making "significant progress", but has not set a date for the publication of his findings.
Roger Bacon, whose son Major Matthew Bacon was killed in Iraq in 2005, said he was "disappointed" Sir John Chilcot has not revealed when he will publish the Iraq report, adding: "I'm not sure he is able to understand our anguish."
"If he was in our shoes, he might well take a different view on what is going on. This process of Maxwellisation is just too much. It seems to go on and on and on. The fact he is still waiting for responses means there will be further delays."
It emerged this morning that the long-awaited report looks set to share the blame for Britain's role in the Iraq war among a wider circle of senior figures than expected, according to sources close to the investigation.
[Image: 22-Chilcot-Get.jpg]Sir John Chilcot and his fellow committee members have shared more than £1.5m in fees since the inquiry began in 2009 (Getty)
Among those who could be facing criticism are Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary at the time of the invasion; Sir John Scarlett, then Chairman of Cabinet Office Joint Intelligence Committee; Sir Richard Dearlove, then head of MI6; Clare Short, then International Development Secretary and Geoff Hoon, who was Defence Secretary at the time.

Sir John, the chairman of the Iraq Inquiry, today said he understood "the anguish of the families of those who lost their lives in the conflict", but added "it is critically important that the report should be fair".
He spoke out in the wake of sustained criticism in recent weeks over delays to his report with families of soldiers killed in Iraq threatening legal action and Prime Minister David Cameron expressing his frustration.
In his statement, Sir John said: "I should like firstly to reiterate that my colleagues and I understand the anguish of the families of those who lost their lives in the conflict.
"We take the responsibility we were given as an independent inquiry extremely seriously, and understand the need for Government, Parliament and the public to see our report as soon as possible."
But he added: "It is critically important that the report should be fair to all who participated in the conflict and to those who bore the responsibility of taking decisions."
But Sir Stanley Burton, Lord Justice of Appeal between 2008 and 2012, said the risk of a judicial challenge was "exaggerated", as there was no appeal process by which the courts could rule on specific findings.
READ MORE: IRAQ WAR BLAME IS BIGGER THAN BLAIR
Sir John confirmed he had received a letter from lawyers acting for a group of families, stating that "after careful thought, we have responded to the points they raised."
"I don't intend to comment on the substance of that response and such letters are not normally published."
The Independent has approached McCue & Partners, acting on behalf of the families, for a comment.




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The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - David Guyatt - 26-08-2015

So, does this mean the Blair fix is in?

It sounds like it to me. Blame the many, diffuse the focus, leave Bliar to simper accordingly.

If Norton-Taylor has this right, then it is, as I predicted earlier, going to be a re-run of the Scott Enquiry - that promised so much and delivered so little.

From The Guardian

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Chilcot inquiry: blame will be spread beyond Blair's inner team, sources say




While former PM will bear brunt of criticism over Iraq war, report is expected to target wider number of people than had been thought





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Sir John Chilcot is to apportion blame for Britain's role in the Iraq war much more widely than had been expected, going well beyond Tony Blair and his inner team, according to sources involved with his six-year inquiry.
While Blair will bear the brunt of the report's criticism, one source said it would suit the former prime minister to see a wide range of targets blamed when it is published.
It has been assumed that Chilcot would concentrate on Blair and his closest advisers in Downing Street. However, the Guardian understands the inquiry intends to criticise a much bigger circle of ministers and officials, including Jack Straw, foreign secretary at the time of the Iraq invasion in 2003.
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Others in focus are Sir Richard Dearlove, then head of MI6, Sir John Scarlett, chairman of the joint intelligence committee, Geoff Hoon, the defence secretary, Clare Short, the international development secretary, and senior officials in the Ministry of Defence (MoD), the Foreign Office and the Cabinet Office. The inquiry took evidence from about 150 people.

The Chilcot inquiry has come under increased pressure over the last few weeks to publish the report. The inquiry began in 2009, with hearings completed in 2011, but has been beset by repeated delays.
The inquiry team is dismayed about sustained media attacks in the last few weeks over the delay. The media coverage has increased pressure on Chilcot to agree a date for publication. David Cameron also expressed frustration last week over failure to complete the report.
The wide circle of people facing criticism is cited as one of the reasons for the delay. As part of the process, every individual to be criticised is sent draft passages giving them an opportunity to comment. Some of those who have received drafts have expressed surprise, having regarded themselves as peripheral to the events leading up to the invasion.
Chilcot wants to ensure that those criticised are given every opportunity to rebut the criticism. He does not want to give them an excuse to take legal action or attack the inquiry after the final report has been published.
The final report will not include the number of people who have been sent drafts containing criticism. The public may not know to what extent Chilcot has toned down his criticism in response to objections.
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Tony Blair and George W Bush in 2003. Photograph: Stefan Rousseau/PAThe Daily Telegraph reported earlier this month that in response to a freedom of information request, the inquiry said it "does not intend to make public the specific details of timing, content or recipients" of the Maxwellisation process, even after the final report is published.
The Times reported last week that Sir Nicholas Houghton is among those facing criticism for his actions during the Iraq war. But a source close to the inquiry agreed that while there would be criticism of military decisions taken after the invasion, the bulk of the criticism would be directed less towards the military than others involved.
The main focus of the inquiry is on the events leading up to the 2003 invasion, in particular questions of about the legality of military action, faulty intelligence and whether Blair gave an early undertaking to the then US president, George W Bush, to support the US-led invasion.
The British handling of Iraq after the invasion, including its attempts to subdue Basra, is regarded as important but secondary.
Senior military figures told the inquiry they were given insufficient time to prepare for the war for political reasons, mainly because the government did not want to admit that the invasion was almost certain to go ahead.
Military commanders were among the sharpest witnesses to the inquiry, strongly criticising the failures of Whitehall decision makers. They have been prevented by the MoD from publishing their criticisms of the invasion of Iraq and its aftermath.
Admiral Lord Boyce, chief of the defence staff at the time of the invasion, told the inquiry: "I suspect if I asked half the cabinet were we at war, they would not have known what I was talking about. There was a lack of political cohesion at the top."
The Guardian understands the inquiry will avoid judging on this. Although Lord Goldsmith, the then attorney general, described how Blair shut him out of discussions, his critics say the attorney passed the buck to Blair.
The inquiry has already heard that Straw roundly dismissed the unanimous view of the top lawyers in the Foreign Office that an invasion of Iraq would be illegal.
Houghton, chief of the defence staff of the British armed forces, was not directly involved in the events leading up to the invasion. He only became involved in Iraq from 2005 through to 2009.
The inquiry was angry over delays by the Cabinet Office in reaching agreement on publication of some of the Blair-Bush correspondence, which Chilcot has described as key evidence that is "vital to the public understanding of the inquiry's conclusions".
The frontrunner in the race to become the next Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, last week partially pre-empted Chilcot's findings, issuing a statement saying he would apologise for the Labour government's decision to go to war.
One of his rivals, Andy Burnham, said he would be open to such an apology but only after the Chilcot report was published and if "apologies need to be made".






The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - David Guyatt - 26-08-2015

Former Cabinet Minister who criticised Blair over the Iraq war heaps shame on Chilcott and predicts the Inquiry to be a whitewash (her words about the report are: "it's as big as War and Peace" and will find that "everyone's to blame [and] no one's to blame".

From The Telegraph:

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Clare Short mounts furious attack on Chilcot Inquiry

Sir John Chilcot's inquiry into the Iraq War is as big as 'War and Peace' and will not offer any lessons about what went wrong in Iraq, Clare Short says

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Clare Short, the former Labour minister, has condemned the Chilcot inquiry as a "very, very poor" piece of work which will fail to uncover what went wrong during the Iraq War.

Ms Short, who has been subject to criticism by the inquiry, said that the report is "as big as War and Peace" and will find that "everyone's to blame [and] no one's to blame".

She accused Sir John's inquiry of "New Labour-type spin" after it emerged that he report will cast blame for Britain's role in the Iraq War far more widely than Tony Blair and his inner team.

It came as Sir John broke his silence and issued a public statement saying that he understands the "anguish" of the families of soldiers killed in Iraq.

[Image: _Iraq_War_inquiry_3418954b.jpg]Tony Blair during his appearance before the Iraq inquiry Photo: Rex (File)

However, he refused to meet their demands to set a timetable for the publication which means that they are likely to lodge a legal challengewithin weeks.
Ms Short's comments represent the first ime that someone who has been criticised by the review has spoken out.
She told BBC Radio 4's World at One: "I think what might be true is the draft is very poor. It's as big as War and Peace I understand. Lots of people have made serious responses and they are having to redraft. The hope of it being a good piece of work that Britain learns what went wrong and we don't do it again looks very, very poor to me.
"It's not just politicians. The criticisms go right across Whitehall - senior permanent secretaries, everybody. I fear and think this means everyone's to blame, no one's to blame, we won't get a proper diagnosis and it won't be helpful in finding out what went wrong."
The disclosure comes as it emerged on Tuesday night that the report will criticise a far broader range of individuals than previously thought.
Former intelligence chiefs, secretaries of state and senior civil servants will all be singled out for censure when the document is finally released. It had been assumed that Tony Blair and his closest associates would bear the brunt of criticism.
Former head of MI6 Sir Richard Dearlove, defence secretary Geoff Hoon and senior Foreign Office officials are thought to be among a larger group who will be blamed for failings in the UK's prosecution of the Iraq war.

The delay has prompted fury among families, who have mounted a legal challenge and gave Sir John until Wednesday to set out a timetable.
Sir John says in his statement that the Maxwellisation process, under which those criticised will be given a chance to respond, will be completed 'shortly'.
The process has been heavily criticised for giving those criticised too much time to reply while families are left waiting for the final report.
Sir John said that the process is an "essential part" of the inquiry and will help ensure that any conclusions are "soundly based, fair and reasonable".
He also appeared to criticise the government for failing to provide access to "all relevent documents". He said that some "have been received only this year", while others are still being declassified.
Reg Keys, whose son Lance Corporal Tom Keys was killed in Iraq in 2003, said: "If he is not forthcoming today then legal action will follow. The Maxwellisation process needs to be brought to an end, that's final.
"He doesn't grasp the range of emotions and feelings he is dealing with here from bereaved families. The families want to knock on his door and demand an explanation from him directly. He hasn't communicated with me at any stage of this. The least the man can do is speak to the families."
[Image: Father_of_Lance_Co_3418948b.jpg]Reg Keys, the father of Lance Corporal Tom Keys who was killed in Iraq Photo: Chris Radburn/PA
Sir John has also written to the lawyers of bereaved soldiers to express his sympathy and to say he understands their frustrations.






The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Michael Barwell - 26-08-2015

Below is the speech made by Colonel Tim Collins to the 1st Battalion of the Royal Irish Regiment in Iraq in 2003 on the eve of battle in Iraq. I gather he made it so that they- (and because they didn't-) know what they were there for. A fine piece of off the cuff oratory from a really fine fella, who was subsequently very badly briefed against by the MoD in an extraordinary and obscure exercise in dishonourable conduct. His book's a damn good read too.

"We go to liberate, not to conquer.
We will not fly our flags in their country. We are entering Iraq to free a people and the only flag which will be flown in that ancient land is their own.
Show respect for them.
There are some who are alive at this moment who will not be alive shortly.
Those who do not wish to go on that journey, we will not send.
As for the others, I expect you to rock their world.
Wipe them out if that is what they choose.
But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in victory.
Iraq is steeped in history.
It is the site of the Garden of Eden, of the Great Flood and the birthplace of Abraham.
Tread lightly there.
You will see things that no man could pay to see
- and you will have to go a long way to find a more decent, generous and upright people than the Iraqis.
You will be embarrassed by their hospitality even though they have nothing.
Don't treat them as refugees for they are in their own country.
Their children will be poor, in years to come they will know that the light of liberation in their lives was brought by you.
If there are casualties of war then remember that when they woke up and got dressed in the morning they did not plan to die this day.
Allow them dignity in death.
Bury them properly and mark their graves.
It is my foremost intention to bring every single one of you out alive.
But there may be people among us who will not see the end of this campaign.
We will put them in their sleeping bags and send them back.
There will be no time for sorrow.
The enemy should be in no doubt that we are his nemesis and that we are bringing about his rightful destruction.
There are many regional commanders who have stains on their souls and they are stoking the fires of hell for Saddam.
He and his forces will be destroyed by this coalition for what they have done.
As they die they will know their deeds have brought them to this place. Show them no pity.
It is a big step to take another human life.
It is not to be done lightly.
I know of men who have taken life needlessly in other conflicts.
I can assure you they live with the mark of Cain upon them.
If someone surrenders to you then remember they have that right in international law and ensure that one day they go home to their family.
The ones who wish to fight, well, we aim to please.
If you harm the regiment or its history by over-enthusiasm in killing or in cowardice, know it is your family who will suffer.
You will be shunned unless your conduct is of the highest - for your deeds will follow you down through history.
We will bring shame on neither our uniform or our nation.
It is not a question of if, it's a question of when.
We know he has already devolved the decision to lower commanders, and that means he has already taken the decision himself.
If we survive the first strike we will survive the attack.
As for ourselves, let's bring everyone home and leave Iraq a better place for us having been there.
Our business now is North."



The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Magda Hassan - 26-08-2015

What a bunch of unmitigated crap. Does he really believe a single word of that? I find the vast majority of military 'men' complete cowards. The really brave are the ones who refuse to fight the rich man's wars. But most military men are mindless drones and spineless cowards. For god sake they have guns. They should turn them on their COs who throw them into this monstrous bloodbath. All the way to the top. If Tony Bliar had to wear the full consequences of his lying orders he would think far more carefully before asking others to die.


The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Albert Doyle - 26-08-2015

Don't forget Dr David Kelly was most likely covertly assassinated because he bore proof of the fraud...


The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Michael Barwell - 28-08-2015

Magda Hassan Wrote:What a bunch of unmitigated crap. Does he really believe a single word of that? I find the vast majority of military 'men' complete cowards. The really brave are the ones who refuse to fight the rich man's wars. But most military men are mindless drones and spineless cowards. For god sake they have guns. They should turn them on their COs who throw them into this monstrous bloodbath. All the way to the top. If Tony Bliar had to wear the full consequences of his lying orders he would think far more carefully before asking others to die.

(don't mention the 'Bliar', don't mention the 'Bliar', don't mention the 'Bliar',...)
Ooooh. Cynic.
Spike Milligan was a soldier.
Imagine this fella Tim Collins believed every word of it. Loads of ppl thought Saddam was about to hit 'our boys in Akrotiri' in 45minutes for some reason, and everyone thought it highly likely he had loads of bio-chem weaps and was a bit of a sod, even if it was a bit of a Neocon Spring. There was genuine optimism around. No-one outside of the gang thought for 1 moment that there was nothing behind the invasion plans - except securing the Oil Ministry, that is.
And Bear Grylls is nice too.


The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Magda Hassan - 29-08-2015

Michael Barwell Wrote:
Magda Hassan Wrote:What a bunch of unmitigated crap. Does he really believe a single word of that? I find the vast majority of military 'men' complete cowards. The really brave are the ones who refuse to fight the rich man's wars. But most military men are mindless drones and spineless cowards. For god sake they have guns. They should turn them on their COs who throw them into this monstrous bloodbath. All the way to the top. If Tony Bliar had to wear the full consequences of his lying orders he would think far more carefully before asking others to die.

(don't mention the 'Bliar', don't mention the 'Bliar', don't mention the 'Bliar',...)
Ooooh. Cynic.
Spike Milligan was a soldier.
Imagine this fella Tim Collins believed every word of it. Loads of ppl thought Saddam was about to hit 'our boys in Akrotiri' in 45minutes for some reason, and everyone thought it highly likely he had loads of bio-chem weaps and was a bit of a sod, even if it was a bit of a Neocon Spring. There was genuine optimism around. No-one outside of the gang thought for 1 moment that there was nothing behind the invasion plans - except securing the Oil Ministry, that is.
And Bear Grylls is nice too.

I can't imagine that for one minute. How dumb does he have to be? Just propaganda for the boys before they are sent to slaughter. Of course Saddam had bio chem weapons. It was the west who sold them to him. And they also know that they had been removed and decommissioned by the UN weapons inspectors. Pure blood thirsty cynicism for profit.


The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Malcolm Pryce - 29-08-2015

I have no doubt he believed what he was saying at the time. Throughout history men and women have shown a remarkable ability to believe what is convenient for them to believe. The parable of the Emperor's New Robes perfectly explains the Iraq War. People are hardwired by evolution to believe what the rest of the tribe believes, irrespective of whether it makes sense. And they are perfectly capable of disbelieving the evidence of their senses to do this.


I remember a friend of mine around the time saying out of the blue, We've got to do something about Saddam Hussein, we can't let this go on any longer.' I looked at him aghast. Since when had he been thinking thoughts like that? The answer I knew was since everybody else started thinking them, i.e. in the past three months. In the rest of his previous existence he had never spared Saddam Hussein a second's thought.


It takes a communal epiphany for the tribe to change the beliefand then they all do like a shoal of fish changing direction. Such an epiphany took place with respect to Jimmy Savile after the Newsnight programme. Prior to that you would have been roundly scorned for suggesting we were ruled by a paedophile elite who tortured and murdered children. As everyone here knows, you would have been dismissed as a crazy moonbat conspiracy theorist. Now the tabloids and plodding cops routinely discuss such notions.


Add to this the fact that this was the moment the soldier had been waiting for all his life. Everything had been preparation for this, all those essays at Prep school on Caesar's Punic Wars, all that training in the officer's cadet force at public school, all those lectures on military ethics at Sandhurst… This was the one time in his life when he got to put it all into practice, to kill some bad guys in order to save the wider commonwealth and go down in history as a heroic liberator. After all, as Solzhenitsyn wisely observed, in order to do evil men must first believe they are doing good. You can't possibly send men into battle if you think they are doing it to safeguard the oil supplies on behalf of the world's ghastly paedophile elite. You can only do it if you are able to convince yourself that you are carrying the torch of truth and justice into the night and rescuing the poor common folk of Iraq from their tyrannical oppressor. No doubt he expected his men to be showered with flowers when the battle was over. Oh dear. I guess he should have read his military history with a more circumspect eye.


The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Jan van den Baard - 29-08-2015

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/08/beware-of-chilcot/